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SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

QB play is about delivering. Staff delivered

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Great qbs take offenses with no run game and no wr talent to the playoffs. Matt takes those teams to below. 500 win %.
 
You are exactly right Jdeb. It's about wins. And Stafford hasn't won. He's 0 for eternity on the road against winning teams, and he has 0 playoff wins. I understand there are other factors, but if that's your argument that it's all about wins, Matt Stafford has done nothing.

None of us get some great joy about Stafford being an average qb. Believe it or not, when the game starts, I root like hell for the Lions, including the QB. There's not some deep resentment towards him and I hope he fails. But the same thing has occurred every year, we keep talking about how this is Stafford's year. And nothing's happened.
 
dubbsco said:
You are exactly right Jdeb. It's about wins. And Stafford hasn't won. He's 0 for eternity on the road against winning teams, and he has 0 playoff wins. I understand there are other factors, but if that's your argument that it's all about wins, Matt Stafford has done nothing.

None of us get some great joy about Stafford being an average qb. Believe it or not, when the game starts, I root like hell for the Lions, including the QB. There's not some deep resentment towards him and I hope he fails. But the same thing has occurred every year, we keep talking about how this is Stafford's year. And nothing's happened.
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Well said. I'd love to be wrong about the guy. 6 years of the same.
Until he shows he isn't the most inconsistent QB in the league ill still talk why he is the most inconsistent QB in the league. I call it how I see it and what the stats show.
 
mhughes0021 said:
Great qbs take offenses with no run game and no wr talent to the playoffs. Matt takes those teams to below. 500 win %.
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No they don't. Those QBS lose when they have no run game and no wr talent and no protection. They lose. Any QB with a winning record, I can show you a run game or protection or multiple healthy weapons.

Stafford has had the worst situation due to many offensive injuries in 2012-2014. Lack of weapon depth in 2013. Plus a new system in 2014 and Raiola/Sims regression.

This has all been fixed. Elite numbers for Stafford this year to match his elite game tape.
 
LKP said:
No they don't. Those QBS lose when they have no run game and no wr talent and no protection. They lose. Any QB with a winning record, I can show you a run game or protection or multiple healthy weapons.

Stafford has had the worst situation due to many offensive injuries in 2012-2014. Lack of weapon depth in 2013. Plus a new system in 2014 and Raiola/Sims regression.

This has all been fixed. Elite numbers for Stafford this year to match his elite game tape.
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wow...sounds like Mayhew didn't put a good / complete team together from 2011-2014
 
tomdalton22 said:
wow...sounds like Mayhew didn't put a good / complete team together from 2011-2014
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He did put a good team together. Many injuries even to second string. And I said 2012-2014. 11 wins in 2014 so clearly you can't use 2014. More injuries in 2012 and 2013 to weapons and turnover issues (33 and 34).

Cap restrictions from old CBA (especially 2012 and 2013), injuries and takes time to create depth.

Mayhew has created a good deep team. 2015 is the best roster he's made. 11 wins is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
LKP said:
He did put a good team together. Many injuries even to second string. And I said 2012-2014. 11 wins in 2014 so clearly you can't use 2014. More injuries in 2012 and 2013 to weapons and turnover issues (33 and 34).

Cap restrictions from old CBA (especially 2012 and 2013), injuries and takes time to create depth.

Mayhew has created a good deep team. 2015 is the best roster he's made. 11 wins is just the tip of the iceberg.
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You realize turnovers are 99.9% talent related, right?

Wait, it's you.......you can't even fathom that!!
 
boogerlovejoy said:
You realize turnovers are 99.9% talent related, right?

Wait, it's you.......you can't even fathom that!!
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You realize many people were hurt in 2012 and 2013. And sometimes they are just flukes or great plays by the other team.

For instance pick off Jordan Thompsons hands against Saints.

You can be very talented and turnover prone too. (Bush)

Calvin had his hand in many turnovers (see Bucs game for instance). Are you saying Calvin isn't talented?
 
LKP said:
You realize many people were hurt in 2012 and 2013. And sometimes they are just flukes or great plays by the other team.

For instance pick off Jordan Thompsons hands against Saints.

You can be very talented and turnover prone too. (Bush)

Calvin had his hand in many turnovers (see Bucs game for instance). Are you saying Calvin isn't talented?
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So you took my quote as "only players without talent have turnovers"? LOL!!!!

Again, turnovers are 99.9% talent related. Every has them. Even the all time greats. You write them off as flukes or just pure luck. They aren't.

I would not put Reggie Bush in the "very talented" portion of the NFL population, either. He is better than average at little besides lateral quickness and decent hands.
 
Tell that to New England who's oline was ranked in the bottom half according to YOUR BIBLE PFF, and not a single running back who eclipsed 500 yards.
 
boogerlovejoy said:
So you took my quote as "only players without talent have turnovers"? LOL!!!!

Again, turnovers are 99.9% talent related. Every has them. Even the all time greats. You write them off as flukes or just pure luck. They aren't.

I would not put Reggie Bush in the "very talented" portion of the NFL population, either. He is better than average at little besides lateral quickness and decent hands.
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Turnovers are not solely based on talent. And like I said Detroit had many weapon injuries causing turnovers. It wasn't starter talent causing many of these turnovers.

Bush is talented.

Detroit fixed their turnover problems and won 11 games. The only thing stopping Detroit is themselves. They are more talented than all other teams.
 
dubbsco said:
Tell that to New England who's oline was ranked in the bottom half according to YOUR BIBLE PFF, and not a single running back who eclipsed 500 yards.
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Pats got good run support. And Brady got good protection. Gronk is a beast. Lafell has some talent as does Edelman and Amendola.

You have to dig deeper into the rankings. One game can skew things. Pats have talent on the Oline, especially OT wtih Solder and Vollmer.

Lions would win the AFC East every year too.
 
This was the end of season PFF rankings. New England's overall line ranked 23rd. Get this... 31st in pass blocking. I repeat. 31st. No running game. And yet... He somehow got it done.

What does having the talent have to do with it? Josh Smith has a ton of talent. It's about actually putting it on the field. NE's line sucked last year.
 
LKP said:
And like I said Detroit had many weapon injuries causing turnovers. It wasn't starter talent causing many of these turnovers.
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In 2012 31 of their 33 turnovers were from starters (93.9%) - Joique Bell 2
In 2013 30 of their 34 turnovers were from Starters (88.2%) - Kris Durham 1, Joique Bell 3

Awwwwwwwwwe, you are 100% wrong, AGAIN! Lions starters caused over 91% of all their turnovers in those two years.
 
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