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[LKP]

Stafford and Calvin have been great.
Stafford to Tate was great.
Stafford and Burleson in 2011 was good. Great season with 4 targets in Pettigrew, Young and Burleson.
Burleson missed half the season in 2012 and 2013.
Stafford to Pettigrew can get over 700 yards. Pettigrew missed 4 in 2012 and 2 in 2013. 2014 they use him differently.

Burleson got hurt and Young went insane.

Stafford has success with many WRS. Those WRs and TEs keep getting hurt. 2013 they had no depth. 2012 Burleson, Broyles and Young (insane and missed last 6), plus Pettigrew for 4 was gone.

Ebron can have a big year. Moore could do well. We all know Calvin and Tate can be monsters with Stafford.

 

[brewer229]

Ben throws a better deep ball than Tannehill. But his 2012 in Pittsburgh was very similar to 2013 and 2014 in Miami. Plus the whole big contract thing is why he left.

Sanders, Plax did better elsewhere. Wallace was close enough to not say it's all Ben.

Holmes had pure garbage.

Plax was there in his rookie year and only played 11 games.
Sanders went to Denver and had Peyton...not really a downgrade.

Wallace had a lot more balls thrown his way the first year in Miami.

 

[LKP]

Plax was there in his rookie year and only played 11 games.
Sanders went to Denver and had Peyton...not really a downgrade.

Wallace had a lot more balls thrown his way the first year in Miami.

Plax had his best years without Ben.
Wallace did a good job in Miami. Similar to 2012 Pittsburgh

And Stafford has done well with less weapons thah Holmes and Wallace and Miller. Burleson, Young and Pettigrew. The problem was when those guys got hurt (all of them in 2012) or they got hurt with no WR depth (2013). And even 2013 Stafford had 29 TDs and 4,600 yards. The picks we've gone over several time how many weren't his fault.

Then 2014 new system, no protection and no run game. Calvin out 5. Nobody stepped up as the 3rd and 4th option. We won 11.

 

[brewer229]

Plax had his best years without Ben.
Wallace did a good job in Miami. Similar to 2012 Pittsburgh

And Stafford has done well with less weapons thah Holmes and Wallace and Miller. Burleson, Young and Pettigrew. The problem was when those guys got hurt (all of them in 2012) or they got hurt with no WR depth (2013). And even 2013 Stafford had 29 TDs and 4,600 yards. The picks we've gone over several time how many weren't his fault.

Then 2014 new system, no protection and no run game. Calvin out 5. Nobody stepped up as the 3rd and 4th option. We won 11.

I don't care about Stafford. This is about Big Ben. Plaxico had very similar per game stats with a rookie Big Ben as he did with any other QB.

Mike Wallace 2010 and 2011 were his best years when he was Healthy with Big Ben. Wallace is still a good talent, but he is better with great QBs. It's not hard to understand.

Holmes is a great example, very Solid with Ben, below average with everyone else. Still the same skill set, but the quality of the QB hurt his play.

 

[LKP]

I don't care about Stafford. This is about Big Ben. Plaxico had very similar per game stats with a rookie Big Ben as he did with any other QB.

Mike Wallace 2010 and 2011 were his best years when he was Healthy with Big Ben. Wallace is still a good talent, but he is better with great QBs. It's not hard to understand.

Holmes is a great example, very Solid with Ben, below average with everyone else. Still the same skill set, but the quality of the QB hurt his play.

There was a sublte dig on Stafford on the original post.

Stafford has done well with less than Big Ben. Plus the whole Steelers defense compared to Detorit's 2012 and 2013 defenses. But Stafford does need protection and experience in a system. Even without, he played well enough to win 11 games.

Holmes didn't have a decent QB after Ben.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm

And Big Ben doesn't have great numbers other than 2014.

 

[dubbsco]

Lol WHOOPS on LKP, talk about the ultimate foot in mouth.

Other than a couple down seasons, Rothlisberger's been statistically better than Matt Stafford. Oh yeah, he's won in the playoffs. A very possible HoF QB. Stafford's not an HOF quarterback.

 

[LKP]

Lol WHOOPS on LKP, talk about the ultimate foot in mouth.

Other than a couple down seasons, Rothlisberger's been statistically better than Matt Stafford. Oh yeah, he's won in the playoffs. A very possible HoF QB. Stafford's not an HOF quarterback.

Big Ben has not been better. Big Ben barely threw the ball.

29 TDs and 19 and 4,600 yards and 20 and 17 and 4,900 yards were better by Stafford. No matter the season.

22 TD and 12 ints and 4,200 yards. 11 wins. No foot in mouth. Different scenarios for each QB.

Big Ben. Rely on run and defense. Stafford move the ball for Detroit.

 

[dubbsco]

Big Ben's statistically better from top to bottom.

TD/INT- 1.9 vs 1.5
QBR- 93.9 vs 83.6. More than a 10 point gap.
Yards/Attempt- 7.88 vs 7.01

Stop falling in love with yards. It's one of the worst stats to measure QB performance. Look at the rest of the stuff.

Oh yeah forgot to mention, he's won two Super Bowls and many more playoff games. And he's also incredibly hard to bring down in the pocket, while Stafford is a parking meter.

Don't compare the two. Stafford can't hold Ben's jock.

 

[LKP]

Big Ben's statistically better from top to bottom.

TD/INT- 1.9 vs 1.5
QBR- 93.9 vs 83.6. More than a 10 point gap.
Yards/Attempt- 7.88 vs 7.01

Stop falling in love with yards. It's one of the worst stats to measure QB performance. Look at the rest of the stuff.

Oh yeah forgot to mention, he's won two Super Bowls and many more playoff games. And he's also incredibly hard to bring down in the pocket, while Stafford is a parking meter.

Don't compare the two. Stafford can't hold Ben's jock.

Stafford is better than Big Ben. Stafford moves the ball (hence yards and attempts). Big Ben relies on a run game. Low attempts for Ben.

Steelers run game moves them down the field. Big Ben tosses a TD after Bell does the work. Big deal.

Stafford is clearly the better QB. Stafford is a chain mover.

 

[brewer229]

Last year Ben destroyed Staff on all accounts. Ben is a much more efficient QB over the years.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lol WHOOPS on LKP, talk about the ultimate foot in mouth.

Other than a couple down seasons, Rothlisberger's been statistically better than Matt Stafford. Oh yeah, he's won in the playoffs. A very possible HoF QB. Stafford's not an HOF quarterback.

LOL..LKP is an idiot!

Career averages

Ben

63.7 comp%, 7.88 YPA, 0.05 TD per Attempt, 0.026 INT per attempt

Staff

59.6 comp%, 7.01 YPA, 0.042 TD per attempt, 0.27 INT per attempt

Ben is better in every category!

 

[dubbsco]

Ben's destroyed Staff throughout the course of his career, give or take a couple seasons. He wins.

I love how you throw a couple shitty stats at me, I give you the real ones, and then you just come back with superlatives. That's why you know the argument's over.

Of course he is. He's going to potentially be an HoF QB. Stafford can't even pull up Canton on his google maps right now.

 

[LKP]

Ben's destroyed Staff throughout the course of his career, give or take a couple seasons. He wins.

I love how you throw a couple shitty stats at me, I give you the real ones, and then you just come back with superlatives. That's why you know the argument's over.

Of course he is. He's going to potentially be an HoF QB. Stafford can't even pull up Canton on his google maps right now.

Ben hasn't destroyed anyone. He barely throws the ball. Bell had 4.7 YPC and Ben had good protection. Plethora of weapons. Stafford's 2014 was more impressive no matter what stat you give.

 

[LKP]

LOL..LKP is an idiot!

Career averages

Ben

63.7 comp%, 7.88 YPA, 0.05 TD per Attempt, 0.026 INT per attempt

Staff

59.6 comp%, 7.01 YPA, 0.042 TD per attempt, 0.27 INT per attempt

Ben is better in every category!

Stafford's is more impressive. He did more with less.

Comp %, Ben threw like 2 passes a season most seasons.

YPA. They single their deep threat. Triple ours.

TDs/attempt. The Steelers run game moves the ball. Stafford moves the ball for us.

Stafford is better than Big Ben.

 

[dubbsco]

LOL. Yeah. Ben throws 4,952 yards, 32 tds/9 ints, 103.3 QB rating.
Meanwhile, Stafford goes for 4,257 yards, 22 tds/12 int, 85.7 QB rating.

Ben throws TEN more TDs, and THREE LESS INT's, and somehow Stafford was more impressive. Give it up dude. Clown show.

 

[LKP]

LOL. Yeah. Ben throws 4,952 yards, 32 tds/9 ints, 103.3 QB rating.
Meanwhile, Stafford goes for 4,257 yards, 22 tds/12 int, 85.7 QB rating.

Ben throws TEN more TDs, and THREE LESS INT's, and somehow Stafford was more impressive. Give it up dude. Clown show.

Ben had more protection and a much better run support. Less drops. Antonio Brown did not miss 5 games. Heath Miller was not a rookie. Ben wasn't learning a new system.

Stafford's was more impressive. I don't care about stats. It's about the situation.

 

[LKP]

Calvin healthy for 16, 27% under pressure, 4.7 YPC from his top back.

Stafford will have 4,900 yards 32 TDs and 9 ints too.

 

[dubbsco]

Then whenever you post from now on, don't include a single statistic. You don't care about them. And when you enter that realm, you concede your ability to talk about players on a factual basis. It's all hypothetical.

 

[LKP]

Then whenever you post from now on, don't include a single statistic. You don't care about them. And when you enter that realm, you concede your ability to talk about players on a factual basis. It's all hypothetical.

Statistics with context are ok. You are relying only on statistics. I am giving you the entire context.

Stafford played well enough for 5,000 yards 32 TDs and 9 ints. He could have that this year. I guarantee it will have good run support, good protection and 3 weapons producing or more. Almost every QB with big numbers gets proper support.

And if they have 3.6 YPC only like Stafford ahd for instance. Maybe they have more weapons or their weapons stayed healthier. Maybe it's not the first year in the system. Maybe they played easier defenses.

You need context. I give you context.

22 TDs and 12 ints is great considering Stafford's situation. 11 wins is great. Stafford played well. Stafford can play exactly the same and have elite numbers this year. Health, year 2 of system, reliable weapons and run support.

All QB stats can be team stats if you really look at the context.

 

[brewer229]

Statistics with context are ok. You are relying only on statistics. I am giving you the entire context.

Stafford played well enough for 5,000 yards 32 TDs and 9 ints. He could have that this year. I guarantee it will have good run support, good protection and 3 weapons producing or more. Almost every QB with big numbers gets proper support.

And if they have 3.6 YPC only like Stafford ahd for instance. Maybe they have more weapons or their weapons stayed healthier. Maybe it's not the first year in the system. Maybe they played easier defenses.

You need context. I give you context.

22 TDs and 12 ints is great considering Stafford's situation. 11 wins is great. Stafford played well. Stafford can play exactly the same and have elite numbers this year. Health, year 2 of system, reliable weapons and run support.

All QB stats can be team stats if you really look at the context.

I thought Joique Bell was a top 10 back for over half the year?

What about Ben being much better at avoiding the sack?

They had very similar situations. Staffords #2 was way better for most the season than Ben's.

Pressure you say, why not post the whole story:
NFL Average: 33.4%
Stafford: 31.8%
Ben:27.9%

So Stafford faced slightly more, they were both below the league average.

Performance: Best QB under pressure:
#1: Big Ben (18.1)
#10: Stafford (4.2)
NFL Average: (0.0)

So Stafford actually did ok compared to an average QB under pressure. But far worse compared to Ben.

Now here is where it gets interesting. QBs when not under pressure:
#4: Ben (17.0)
#31: Stafford (-8.0)

Ben still performs well, Stafford is easily one of the worst in the league when he is not under pressure.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/20/qbs-in-focus-under-pressure/