SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

[dubbsco]

Yeah, kinda like Drew Brees who had one of the worst defenses in football, captain average in Mark Ingram, and no one who caught more than 1,000 yards.

 

[LKP]

Yeah, kinda like Drew Brees who had one of the worst defenses in football, captain average in Mark Ingram, and no one who caught more than 1,000 yards.

Ingram 4.3 YPC. Robinson 4.8 YPC and Thomas 4.9 YPC. Brees had a run game

Brees also threw 5 more ints than Stafford. Brees was not learning a new system.

Brees had Graham and Colston. Cooks is a first round pick too at an easier position than TE. Stills is a nice deep threat (over Fuller).

Brees plays in the shitty NFC South and they played the NFC East.

Stafford 2014 was more impressive than 2014 Brees.

 

[tomdalton22]

I thought Joique Bell was a top 10 back for over half the year?

What about Ben being much better at avoiding the sack?

They had very similar situations. Staffords #2 was way better for most the season than Ben's.

Pressure you say, why not post the whole story:
NFL Average: 33.4%
Stafford: 31.8%
Ben:27.9%

So Stafford faced slightly more, they were both below the league average.

Performance: Best QB under pressure:
#1: Big Ben (18.1)
#10: Stafford (4.2)
NFL Average: (0.0)

So Stafford actually did ok compared to an average QB under pressure. But far worse compared to Ben.

Now here is where it gets interesting. QBs when not under pressure:
#4: Ben (17.0)
#31: Stafford (-8.0)

Ben still performs well, Stafford is easily one of the worst in the league when he is not under pressure.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/20/qbs-in-focus-under-pressure/

everyone here knows that Ben is better than Stafford...well everyone who isn't a blind homer!

 

[dubbsco]

You try and argue that Stafford was better than Brees and Ben last season. Go ahead. Call up some radio shows. Give Mike and Mike a call. You'll get laughed off the phone.

 

[brewer229]

everyone here knows that Ben is better than Stafford...well everyone who isn't a blind homer!

Oh there is no doubt about that. The amazing thing is just how bad Stafford was when not facing pressure. Just take a loot at all the players better than him.

Best to worst QBs while under pressure

 

[tomdalton22]

Ingram 4.3 YPC. Robinson 4.8 YPC and Thomas 4.9 YPC. Brees had a run game

Brees also threw 5 more ints than Stafford. Brees was not learning a new system.

Brees had Graham and Colston. Cooks is a first round pick too at an easier position than TE. Stills is a nice deep threat (over Fuller).

Brees plays in the shitty NFC South and they played the NFC East.

Stafford 2014 was more impressive than 2014 Brees.

Brees had 93 more completions on 57 more attempts. His comp% (69.2 - 60.3) and YPA 7.51 - 7.06) are what made him more impressive than Stafford in 2014.

 

[LKP]

Stafford faced much more. 4% is a huge amount per attempt.

Ben had multiple healthy weapons. Calvin was hurt 5, Ebron a rookie hurt 3, Bush hurt (Le'Veon Bell was healthier)

Stafford was learning a new system. Ben was not. Miller was not a rookie TE. Brown is a beast and not doubled like crazy like Calvin for some reason.

You are proving my point that Stafford is much more impressive than Ben.

Joique Bell was a good back (yards after contact, missed tackles). But was not in first half of the year. As Oline struggled in run blocking. Some injury (RT/Warford, Sims), some Sims/Raiola regression. Bell was good but it was still 3.9 YPC overall. Le'Veon was 4.7 YPC with big receiving yards too.

 

[LKP]

You try and argue that Stafford was better than Brees and Ben last season. Go ahead. Call up some radio shows. Give Mike and Mike a call. You'll get laughed off the phone.

Mike and Mike are media idiots who don't look into things deeper like I do.

 

[LKP]

Brees had 93 more completions on 57 more attempts. His comp% (69.2 - 60.3) and YPA 7.51 - 7.06) are what made him more impressive than Stafford in 2014.

Brees was not learning a new system. Brees had plenty of weapons including a better deep threat with Stills. Brees played worse defenses in a shit division. Brees has better run support for better down and distance.

Stafford was clearly more impressive. Stafford 11 wins including beating Brees. Glover Quin makes Brees lose. Int city. Even with a fluke int because 4th TE Jordan Thompson can't hang onto the ball while Stafford drives us down the field.

 

[dubbsco]

You mean the new simplified system that was dumbed down during the year? That one?

 

[dubbsco]

So now Kenny Stills and Colston are better players than Calvin and Tate? Give me a break. The 5th rounder Stills and 7th rounder Colston, those guys?

I forgot, Stafford needs to have only 1st round picks around him to succeed.

 

[brewer229]

Brees was not learning a new system. Brees had plenty of weapons including a better deep threat with Stills. Brees played worse defenses in a shit division. Brees has better run support for better down and distance.

Stafford was clearly more impressive. Stafford 11 wins including beating Brees. Glover Quin makes Brees lose. Int city. Even with a fluke int because 4th TE Jordan Thompson can't hang onto the ball while Stafford drives us down the field.

Stafford can't get it done when he has time. He is a liability. One of the worst QBs when not facing pressure.

Regarding the NFC South on 6/17 you said this:

NFC South had to deal with tough NFC North and AFC North. They are much better than their record and point differentials indicate. NFC South>NFC East

Carolina, Atlanta and Saints are tougher teams than thought and Atlanta and Saints offenses can be explosive.

 

[dubbsco]

Whoops!! Good catch Brewer.

Captain backtrack and flip flop only has a few more weeks until we can actually talk about real football.

 

[LKP]

Stafford can't get it done when he has time. He is a liability. One of the worst QBs when not facing pressure.

Regarding the NFC South on 6/17 you said this:

South>East. South is still garbage especially the defenses.

Lions played South and destroyed them. 2 games without Calvin even.

Stafford has weapon injuries, long down and distance (no run game) and a new system to deal with. Stafford is very good with protection too.

Stafford will be in year 2 of system this year, have plenty of healthy weapons and protection with revamped Oline. Stafford will have elite stats this year. If he doesn't, lots of people got hurt on our offense.

 

[tomdalton22]

South>East. South is still garbage especially the defenses.

Stafford has weapon injuries, long down and distance (no run game) and a new system to deal with. Stafford is very good with protection too.

Stafford wasn't that good while not under pressure

 

[LKP]

Stafford was ranked 31st with protection.

New system, bad down and distance and weapon injuries to deal with. Stafford is good with protection, no matter that ranking.

 

[LKP]

Stafford will be in year 2 of system this year, have plenty of healthy weapons and protection with revamped Oline. Better run support too. Stafford will have elite stats this year. If he doesn't, lots of people got hurt on our offense.

Get this in your heads right now. Repeat it until I return tomorrow.

 

[jdeb]

You Bronies are gonna eat your words this year. Staff is gonna light it up and yall will be no where to be to found posting on here. I was smart enough to get on the wagon ( I bashed LKP big time in the past) based on Staffs performance last year. Yall are relentless on LKP, almost to a fault. Here comes Super Bowl! Then what are you gonna say to the man?

 

[brewer229]

You Bronies are gonna eat your words this year. Staff is gonna light it up and yall will be no where to be to found posting on here. I was smart enough to get on the wagon ( I bashed LKP big time in the past) based on Staffs performance last year. Yall are relentless on LKP, almost to a fault. Here comes Super Bowl! Then what are you gonna say to the man?

We are talking about last year. Anyone who thinks stafford played better than Big Ben simply does not understand the game. Last year was not good enough from our QB.

 

[tomdalton22]

You Bronies are gonna eat your words this year. Staff is gonna light it up and yall will be no where to be to found posting on here. I was smart enough to get on the wagon ( I bashed LKP big time in the past) based on Staffs performance last year. Yall are relentless on LKP, almost to a fault. Here comes Super Bowl! Then what are you gonna say to the man?

I will say "Thank God...the Lions FINALLY won. I'm glad Stafford finally turned the corner. But LKP, you were still wrong about the way he played in 2013 & 2014!"