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Sit, stand, kneel, or do whatever you like for the National Anthem

michchamp said:
LOL, even when people directly quote you, you claim you weren't saying what you said.

keep babbling...
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You didn't directly quote me, you selectively quoted me and then intentionally misrepresented what I said or you misunderstood what I said, because you're stupid. There is no direct quote of me saying anything remotely like Nike would suffer the same fate as Kevin Spacey. In fact, in the previous post I said the opposite. Here it is, DIRECTLY quoted for your benefit (see the bolded text) in the post right before my post you selectively quoted then misrepresented.

Spartanmack said:
The market is near all time highs and it was basically flat yesterday. it's not a big decline overall, but it's pretty clear that it's a reaction to the ad and publicity surrounding it. In the end, like most soundbytes, it will likely turn out to be noise where the stock is concerned. The point is, why get involved in something so controversial and risk alienating a big chunk of your customer base?

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you and the bjking are experts at this type of lying - I wonder if he's also a lawyer.
 
Spartanmack said:
The market is near all time highs and it was basically flat yesterday. it's not a big decline overall, but it's pretty clear that it's a reaction to the ad and publicity surrounding it. In the end, like most soundbytes, it will likely turn out to be noise where the stock is concerned. The point is, why get involved in something so controversial and risk alienating a big chunk of your customer base?

And even for golf, Nike is probably more of a younger person's brand - they've actually de-emphasized or narrowed their focus on golf by eliminating their equipment lines (clubs & balls) a couple of years ago and focusing on shoes and apparel. They did something similar with hockey awhile back.
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I think it's a long-term brand identity move. Gobs of free publicity and if you're not a very politically oriented person, the issue might look more like players vs owners (especially with the court case), in which case it's good to be on the side of players.
 
Gulo Blue said:
I think it's a long-term brand identity move. Gobs of free publicity and if you're not a very politically oriented person, the issue might look more like players vs owners (especially with the court case), in which case it's good to be on the side of players.
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Yeah, I read a piece today that quoted an analyst talking about Nike thinking globally here and using this to help push deeper into foreign markets.

I'm obviously a pretty political person but this won't make me more or less likely to buy Nike products. If they're not funding something I find reprehensible like making direct donations to Planned Parenthood, I tend to care more about a company's products than their politics. I still go to Bruce Springsteen concerts - although I noticed he stopped bitching about illegal wiretaps during the Obama administration, even though he did that just as much as Bush - I thought that was interesting.

As far as Nike is concerned, I care a lot more about the outrageous prices of their shoes than them picking the wrong side in a misguided protest. I thought what Chris Webber did in dropping Nike was a lot more meaningful and courageous than the fake cause Colin Kaepernick is peddling. Besides, most MSU branded gear is from Nike and Nike shoes are one of the two brands that fit me best so I'll probably still buy their shoes whenever they're the better deal than Asics in the clearance section of Eastbay.com - unless Nike comes out with a line of Air Sangers...
 
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Spartanmack said:
Yeah, I read a piece today that quoted an analyst talking about Nike thinking globally here and using this to help push deeper into foreign markets.
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Right.

In post #350, I pointed out that I heard an analyst on the radio making exactly this point.

The biggest future growth for Nike are overseas the guy said; maybe foreigners feel some bond with Kaepernick, I don't know.

You gotta think Nike really must have thought this through, did all kinds of market research, trends, demo studies, focus groups...all that.
 
Are there any other scenarios where kneeling is interpreted as a sign of disrespect?


edit: I feel like I've asked this before, and if anyone knew of an example, they kept it to themselves.
 
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tinselwolverine said:
Right.

In post #350, I pointed out that I heard an analyst on the radio making exactly this point.

The biggest future growth for Nike are overseas the guy said; maybe foreigners feel some bond with Kaepernick, I don't know.

You gotta think Nike really must have thought this through, did all kinds of market research, trends, demo studies, focus groups...all that.
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I probably got that from your post then, because I looked back at the article I thought I was referencing and that wasn't part of it - I apologize for misremembering and not giving you the proper attribution.

Edit: thinking about this a bit more, if it is the case that they're being calculated and it's a bottom line move, it's even more damning - they don't give a shit about CK or his cause, they're just stirring the pot to generate more sales. MC and the rest of the Bernie Sanders idiots should be livid about this - not Bernie himself of course, he's more like Nike than a Bernie Sanders follower.
 
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Gulo Blue said:
Are there any other scenarios where kneeling is interpreted as a sign of disrespect?


edit: I feel like I've asked this before, and if anyone knew of an example, they kept it to themselves.
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probably not a good idea to kneel when you're talking to Peter Dinklage or other people with Dwarfism.

Edit: I literally just thought of that. I don't recall reading a prior post where you asked the question, but if I did, I wasn't keeping it to myself.
 
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Gulo Blue said:
Are there any other scenarios where kneeling is interpreted as a sign of disrespect?


edit: I feel like I've asked this before, and if anyone knew of an example, they kept it to themselves.
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It's only disrespectful if you're protesting racist police brutality.

Kinda like how we only selectively complain about violations of 36 USC section 176 "Respect For Flag"
 
michchamp said:
It's only disrespectful if you're protesting racist police brutality.

Kinda like how we only selectively complain about violations of 36 USC section 176 "Respect For Flag"
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yes, it's probably disrespectful to kneel in protest of fake issues.
 
tinselwolverine said:
You gotta think Nike really must have thought this through, did all kinds of market research, trends, demo studies, focus groups...all that.
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They did it when they were at virtually an all time high. Whether it works in the long run or not, it was certainly a calculated move. You've seen what their R&D is like for equipment and gear. I imagine their marketing and business models are at the top echelon as well.
 
Spartanmack said:
probably not a good idea to kneel when you're talking to Peter Dinklage or other people with Dwarfism.

Edit: I literally just thought of that. I don't recall reading a prior post where you asked the question, but if I did, I wasn't keeping it to myself.
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What if the Game of Thrones ends with stunning finish that his character winds up on the Iron Throne, as the King of all of Westeros?

What about it THEN?
 
Spartanmack said:
yes, it's probably disrespectful to kneel in protest of fake issues.
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False outrage over fake issues. Yet it's getting as much or more attention than Kavanaugh's induction ceremony or the NY Times Op-Ed shitting on Trump while claiming they are 'saving' America...even days after Nike announced it.

I bet Toby Keith is ready to print money with his next pandering music video because all of this 'controversy'.
 
sggatecl said:
They did it when they were at virtually an all time high. Whether it works in the long run or not, it was certainly a calculated move. You've seen what their R&D is like for equipment and gear. I imagine their marketing and business models are at the top echelon as well.
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don't they mostly fail in the equipment and gear businesses? They gave up on golf and hockey equipment altogether. I remember around the time of Tiger's peak Phil Mickelson once said Tiger's Nike equipment was just garbage and that if you just gave Tiger the Callaway ball Phil played with and still made him play w/ the shit Nike clubs, he would be virtually unbeatable. Unless by gear you're referring to apparel and shoes where they tend to crush it. Either way, Nike is first and foremost a marketing company - even the sectors where they are dominant are secondary to the marketing.
 
tigermud said:
"I just returned a pair of Nike shoes to the store..I complained they hurt my feet when I stand for the National Anthem!"


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Phil Knight's response: "Sorry I can't hear you, loser. I'm too busy counting the billions of dollars that I made by undercutting US labor costs and standards by having my shoes made by slaves in Cambodia. Keep voting GOP though, thanks."
 
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