Some folks commenting on the persa helmet hiT

[michlady77]

Do yOu think it was missed call or did the helmet come off on a clean hit with no facemask?

Have not seen any other shots of it

 

[Monster]

it looked like his arm went around Persa's helmet and he just pulled it off. I've seen that done many times in football games and only seen a facemask called once. Even the announcers said it was a terrible call.

 

[GoBlueInAtlanta]

By the time Kovacs hit the ground he is holding the facemask, but it was no longer on Persa's head, so the questions is - Did he use the facemask to remove it from his head or did he grab it afterward?

 

[GoBlueInAtlanta]

Monster [/color]]it looked like his arm went around Persa's helmet and he just pulled it off. I've seen that done many times in football games and only seen a facemask called once. Even the announcers said it was a terrible call.

Do you mean a terrible no-call (since it wasn't)?

 

[Monster]

Monster [/color]]it looked like his arm went around Persa's helmet and he just pulled it off. I've seen that done many times in football games and only seen a facemask called once. Even the announcers said it was a terrible call.

Do you mean a terrible no-call (since it wasn't)?

No, I mean the facemask call that I mentioned in the second to last sentence.

 

[GoBlueInAtlanta]

Monster [/color]]

Do you mean a terrible no-call (since it wasn't)?

No, I mean the facemask call that I mentioned in the second to last sentence.

When Kovacs pulled off Persa's helmet there was no facemask penalty. That's why Fitgerald went crazy and got an unsportsmanlike penalty.

Edit: Nevermind, I see that you meant the one time it was called in another game.

 

[Monster]

Monster [/color]]

No, I mean the facemask call that I mentioned in the second to last sentence.

When Kovacs pulled off Persa's helmet there was no facemask penalty. That's why Fitgerald went crazy and got an unsportsmanlike penalty.

I know. I wasn't talking about the Kovacs play.

 

[michlady77]

So you are saying the helmet could come off in a fashion that is legitimate

 

[Monster]

I'm saying that as long as he didn't put his fingers inside the facemask or actually grab a hold of the mask, it's legal. I didn't see him do either of those things.

 

[jever4321]

There was one camera angle that looked like Kovacs grabbed face mask. It was a partially obstructed view because a NW player blocked it from the camera. I commented on it in the game thread that it probably should have been NW ball with a first down and a 15 yard penalty. But the bottom line is it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game. Maybe made the score 7 points closer.

 

[Monster]

There was one camera angle that looked like Kovacs grabbed face mask. It was a partially obstructed view because a NW player blocked it from the camera. I commented on it in the game thread that it probably should have been NW ball with a first down and a 15 yard penalty. But the bottom line is it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game. Maybe made the score 7 points closer.

It sure was fun watching pat fitzgerald go from white to tomato red so quickly though.

 

[michdad1]

I think it was clearly a legit tackle/hemet removal. Kovacs elbow and forearm pinched the helmet between his body and proceeded to roll over from momentum removing the helmet.

 

[jever4321]

Monster [/color]]

There was one camera angle that looked like Kovacs grabbed face mask. It was a partially obstructed view because a NW player blocked it from the camera. I commented on it in the game thread that it probably should have been NW ball with a first down and a 15 yard penalty. But the bottom line is it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game. Maybe made the score 7 points closer.

It sure was fun watching pat fitzgerald go from white to tomato red so quickly though.

I would have blown a gasket as well. I thought he was going to take a swing at a ref.

 

[wheels002]

His comment about it after the game was a classic. They asked him about the no call and he said due to the fact that he has 3 kids in college he cant comment.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Steve Young used to run around in the NFL without his helmet all the time.

Persa kept running around trying to find a reciever, or a running lane, he didn't seemed phased a bit.

Kovacs was tackling him, and the helmet came off incidentally, so to speak, within the context of the movement of the two bodies as Persa was rolling out of the grasp of the legitimate and legal initial high tackle grip.

Good no call.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

The helmet slipped off pretty easily. I didn't see any sign of pulling on the facemask. The hit didn't take Persa down or show any sign of recoil of the head as might be expected if the helmet was pulled off by the mask. The announcers on BTN (who were awful) initially said that Fitzgerald was complaining about a hit to the head. But it wasn't Kovacs' fault that Persa ducked causing him to slide over the top of him and separating him from his helmet. I think it was a good no call.

 

[biggunsbob]

I am not sure but if you look at the bottom of the fram in slow motion it appears the he has a few fingers in the face mask... Appears... Again pretty inconclusive and like mentioned above would not have changed the outcome..

 

[byco42]

Persa got his hair mussed. Looked like to me that Kovacs got under the mask with his arm. I think that the officials got it right.

 

[Michchamp]

it was really hard to tell from the replay, but it looked to me like he did have his hand on his facemask, but it was incidental, and his arm was wrapped around persa's head. when persa ducked out of it, he slipped right out of his helmet.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Do yOu think it was missed call or did the helmet come off on a clean hit with no facemask?

Have not seen any other shots of it

I wouldn't call it a facemask by any angle I saw during the game. And I saw two hands on Persa's head when the helmet came off. I'm not sure what the rules are there - but to me it didn't look like a facemask. It looked like he actually grabbed his head, which I'm not sure if it is or isn't a penalty of some sort. Just by the fact both his arms were on his head you could conclude that some part of his hand or arm was on the facemask - but not sure that's a direct use of the facemask to rip it off.

Either way - missed calls are a part of the game and I could easily gripe about 2-3 missed holding calls in the first that allowed persa to roll out for a big gain here and there.