Stafford VS. Sanchez

[Cliff]

Can that debate finally be put to bed? Mike Vick to the jets and the Sanchize cut. Stanford's win / loss record sucks but I still see the potential. Mark Sanchez was a total failure. :clap:

 

[Cliff]

It would be epic if the Lions signed Sanchez as a backup.

 

[mhughes0021]

Can that debate finally be put to bed? Mike Vick to the jets and the Sanchize cut. Stanford's win / loss record sucks but I still see the potential. Mark Sanchez was a total failure. :clap:

Ill play devils advocate for fun. Sanchize led his team to back to back afc champ games. And actually held a lead at half vs the colts in one of those games. Stafford has led his team to nothing....ever. Sanchize has the butt fumble ...which is one of the coolest plays of the decade.

You can still see the potential? After years of being injured....that's what we said (the infamous browns game). But youre still saying you can see the potential? Hes going into his 6th year?! are we really supposed to be talking about potential in year 6? Most people don't even play that long in the NFL lol.

All jokes aside....neither has lived up to their potential. its an argument of production vs results. If Stafford never gets us anywhere I would have rather had Colt Brennan than either of them for all I care.....could have used the 72 mil elsewhere.

 

[sggatecl]

Let me preface this by saying I can't stand the Jets and think Sanchez is awful.

However, the simple fact that Stafford's best receiver is Megatron and the best Sanchez ever had was Santonio Holmes, it's really not a fair comparison.

I'd still take Stafford 10/10 times over Sanchez, I'm just saying that the comparisons aren't really fair.

 

[kmd47]

Bro are you fucking kidding me? Sanchez did not lead those teams. If anything the defense led those Jets teams. Guaransheed you had Stafford been on that team, they would have been even better and probably would have contended for those super bowls.

 

[tsmith7559]

Ill play devils advocate for fun. Sanchize led his team to back to back afc champ games. And actually held a lead at half vs the colts in one of those games. Stafford has led his team to nothing....ever. Sanchize has the butt fumble ...which is one of the coolest plays of the decade.

You can still see the potential? After years of being injured....that's what we said (the infamous browns game). But youre still saying you can see the potential? Hes going into his 6th year?! are we really supposed to be talking about potential in year 6? Most people don't even play that long in the NFL lol.

All jokes aside....neither has lived up to their potential. its an argument of production vs results. If Stafford never gets us anywhere I would have rather had Colt Brennan than either of them for all I care.....could have used the 72 mil elsewhere.

once he lost the running game and stellar defense he was exposed big time...these are two things Stafford hasnt had

 

[michiganalex]

Hill Greater then Sanchez

 

[brewer229]

Bro are you fucking kidding me? Sanchez did not lead those teams. If anything the defense led those Jets teams. Guaransheed you had Stafford been on that team, they would have been even better and probably would have contended for those super bowls.

Depends, Sanchez played OK in the playoffs. He was never asked to do much, but he was for the most part efficient in the playoffs. It depended on what Stafford showed up. Stafford can both win you and lose you games.

Bottom line is neither has lived up to their potential or draft position at this point.

Not saying Sanchez is better, but hard to guarantee Jets would of been any better with Stafford. We see what happens when he doesn't have the best WR in the game to throw too.

 

[mhughes0021]

once he lost the running game and stellar defense he was exposed big time...these are two things Stafford hasnt had

sanchez never had the best wr in the game. Stafford has been more productive as a passer. Sanchez has led more successful teams.

 

[mhughes0021]

lets assume they both suck.....id also have to give sanchez the nod for not handcuffing and holding hostage his team and actually be able to be released. We cant do shit with staff. were forced to start him, cant trade him...completely stuck.

 

[sggatecl]

lets assume they both suck.....id also have to give sanchez the nod for not handcuffing and holding hostage his team and actually be able to be released. We cant do shit with staff. were forced to start him, cant trade him...completely stuck.

Careful with the way you word that. You make is sound like Sanchez took less money a la Tom Brady where Stafford took as much as he could get. The fact is Stafford is thought of as a more valuable commodity where Sanchez isn't.

In any case where a player is overpaid, the front office is to blame 10/10 times.

 

[LKP]

lets assume they both suck.....id also have to give sanchez the nod for not handcuffing and holding hostage his team and actually be able to be released. We cant do shit with staff. were forced to start him, cant trade him...completely stuck.

This is due to the old cba restructures. Stafford took a discount. 2016 is unguaranteed. There is no reason to not start stafford in 2013 and 2014

 

[Mitchrapp]

Sign the dude, then find Freeman we can have the 2009 trifecta of crap.

I'd agree with one thing the "potential" aspect. Meaning, it's like a 27 year old MLB player who's still in the minors - he's not a prospect anymore. Stafford is what he is, a canon arm, inaccurate thrower with bad footwork. Can he improve, possible. But the potential aspect is far gone.

 

[mhughes0021]

Sign the dude, then find Freeman we can have the 2009 trifecta of crap.

I'd agree with one thing the "potential" aspect. Meaning, it's like a 27 year old MLB player who's still in the minors - he's not a prospect anymore. Stafford is what he is, a canon arm, inaccurate thrower with bad footwork. Can he improve, possible. But the potential aspect is far gone.

why didn't he improve the other 5 years? A good qb would have taken the division last year. Ponder, Mccown, whoever the hell GB started all those games. If you cant win that division you don't deserve your money.

 

[mhughes0021]

This is due to the old cba restructures. Stafford took a discount. 2016 is unguaranteed. There is no reason to not start stafford in 2013 and 2014

They were drafted the same year weren't they? So our team handcuffed itself with a qb that didn't do crap his first couple years. The jets were looking at a qb that led them to 2 back to back afc champ games and didn't handcuff themselves...

 

[atxlion82]

Stafford is throwing for 5000 yards and Sanchez is being benched. Hill is regarded as one of the best backups in the league. If Stafford was playing that bad he would have been benched

 

[motown1958]

Stupid argument. Sanchez was a terrible passer and an even worse QB. You would hear guys trying to build him up and others that would just make fun of it. If it weren't for Tebow he might have been one of those polarizing guys that got talked about all the time. The dude simply can't play.

Stafford has shown great ability and it is much more potential. He has delivered in big moments and had inconsistent moments. He has room to improve but the skill to do so. He reminds me far to often of Bledsoe and Favre. To much gunslinger and not enough touch and patience. Perhaps that was the OC and perhaps it was Stafford idk I guess we will find out. You can say that Sanchez "lead" his team further but him and Stafford have won just as many trophies. No Superbowls, no division titles, no conference titles. So to say well he made it farther had nothing to do with him and he didn't win so there is no difference. That is why it is a dumb argument. Also Staff has been playing the last three years, suckchez lost his spot to Geno Smith? really dude sucks.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stupid argument. Sanchez was a terrible passer and an even worse QB. You would hear guys trying to build him up and others that would just make fun of it. If it weren't for Tebow he might have been one of those polarizing guys that got talked about all the time. The dude simply can't play.

Stafford has shown great ability and it is much more potential. He has delivered in big moments and had inconsistent moments. He has room to improve but the skill to do so. He reminds me far to often of Bledsoe and Favre. To much gunslinger and not enough touch and patience. Perhaps that was the OC and perhaps it was Stafford idk I guess we will find out. You can say that Sanchez "lead" his team further but him and Stafford have won just as many trophies. No Superbowls, no division titles, no conference titles. So to say well he made it farther had nothing to do with him and he didn't win so there is no difference. That is why it is a dumb argument. Also Staff has been playing the last three years, suckchez lost his spot to Geno Smith? really dude sucks.

theres a bottom line to the qb...are you a winner? Staffords record is awful.....like Brandon weeden awful. If he was a middle of the pack qb making middle of the pack money....id have no problem with Stafford at all. But hes a bottom half qb making top 7 money which ties up all the money needed to make the team better. If he doesn't improve he has crippled this organization and theres nothing we can do about it until like 2017. That puts us in a worse situation than sanchez put the jets in....cause they just cut his ass when they knew it wasn't going to work out. If we made ALLLLLL these changes and gave ALLLL this support just to get staff to perform better...and he doesn't.....we STILL cant do anything about it.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Hill Greater then Sanchez

Harrington > Sanchez

Kitna > Sanchez

Butt Fumble > Sanchez

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Sign the dude, then find Freeman we can have the 2009 trifecta of crap.

I'd agree with one thing the "potential" aspect. Meaning, it's like a 27 year old MLB player who's still in the minors - he's not a prospect anymore. Stafford is what he is, a canon arm, inaccurate thrower with bad footwork. Can he improve, possible. But the potential aspect is far gone.

Players, even in MLB, can find their grove after 27. Stafford just turned 26.

Guy has time to get better. It might be as simple as being in the right offense. Look at Breese. Slightly above average QB in San Diego......All pro in N.O. He was 3 years in the league and 25 before he "got it".

Just because the Lions threw the ball a lot, doesn't mean its a great offense for a qb to be in. It could easily be argued that with a lack of running game,a below average offensive line (until last year) and a terrible defense....it is MORE difficult to be a qb in that offense.

His record means almost NOTHING the first two or three years.....that team was pathetic. It would be like Verlander pitching for the 2003 Tigers. He would probably be at or slightly above .500. Doesn't mean he is a .500 pitcher, right?