Take Vmart out of cleanup

[Rebbiv]

2014-2016 Hitting with Runners On Base

M. Cabrera .340 BAVG .433 OBP .564 SLG .997 OPS
T. Colins .340 BAVG .404 OBP .521 SLG .925 OPS
J.D. Martinez .293 BAVG .356 OBP .560 SLG .916 OPS
V. Martinez .285 BAVG .371 OBP .479 SLG .850 OPS
J. Upton .266 BAVG .343 OBP .496 SLG .839 OPS
I. Kinsler .291 BAVG .338 OBP .453 SLG .791 OPS
N. Castellanos .279 BAVG .330 OBP .446 SLG .776 OPS

2016 AL AVG .262 BAVG .333 OBP .422 SLG .755 OPS
2015 AL AVG .264 BAVG .332 OBP .414 SLG .746 OPS
2014 AL AVG .259 BAVG .327 OBP .397 SLG .724 OPS

J. Iglesias .279 BAVG .327 OBP .356 SLG .683 OPS
M. Mahtook .224 BAVG .295 OBP .379 SLG .674 OPS
J. McCann .246 BAVG .281 OBP .376 SLG .657 OPS
A. Avila .211 BAVG .321 OBP .319 SLG .640 OPS
A. Romine .218 BAVG .282 OBP .252 SLG .534 OPS

 

[durtymrclean]

2014-2016 Hitting with Runners On Base

M. Cabrera .340 BAVG .433 OBP .564 SLG .997 OPS
T. Colins .340 BAVG .404 OBP .521 SLG .925 OPS
J.D. Martinez .293 BAVG .356 OBP .560 SLG .916 OPS
V. Martinez .285 BAVG .371 OBP .479 SLG .850 OPS
J. Upton .266 BAVG .343 OBP .496 SLG .839 OPS
I. Kinsler .291 BAVG .338 OBP .453 SLG .791 OPS
N. Castellanos .279 BAVG .330 OBP .446 SLG .776 OPS

2016 AL AVG .262 BAVG .333 OBP .422 SLG .755 OPS
2015 AL AVG .264 BAVG .332 OBP .414 SLG .746 OPS
2014 AL AVG .259 BAVG .327 OBP .397 SLG .724 OPS

J. Iglesias .279 BAVG .327 OBP .356 SLG .683 OPS
M. Mahtook .224 BAVG .295 OBP .379 SLG .674 OPS
J. McCann .246 BAVG .281 OBP .376 SLG .657 OPS
A. Avila .211 BAVG .321 OBP .319 SLG .640 OPS
A. Romine .218 BAVG .282 OBP .252 SLG .534 OPS

So it makes complete sense to take Vmart out of 4th since there will be two above average rbi hitters to replace him in JD and Jup that can go first to third on a ball hit to the wall. Thanks for clarity.

 

[Rebbiv]

So it makes complete sense to take Vmart out of 4th since there will be two above average rbi hitters to replace him in JD and Jup that can go first to third on a ball hit to the wall. Thanks for clarity.

Sorry....but most knowledgeable would go with the far superior on base percentage, thus sustaining a rally.

 

[durtymrclean]

Sorry....but most knowledgeable would go with the far superior on base percentage, thus sustaining a rally.

I doubt a 2-3 percent difference in OBP will make up for the 9-13 runs vmart will cost the tigers with just his baserunning alone.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=393&position=C/DH


http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5222&position=OF

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6184&position=OF

 

[lonesometiger]

The DP is a concern as well. But last 3 seasons he has 31% of his hits are XBH. When he's good he's good when not he's not. He's like ever one else that makes outs. But his base runner is not.

 

[Rebbiv]

I doubt a 2-3 percent difference in OBP will make up for the 9-13 runs vmart will cost the tigers with just his baserunning alone.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=393&position=C/DH


http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5222&position=OF

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6184&position=OF

It is a 28% difference in OBP, not 2-3%. And where do you get the 9-13 runs in just baserunning? That is absurd and cannot be articulated more than 5 runs, if that. The 28% difference is greater than the runs he costs on the base paths.

I get that V-Mart is the slowest baserunner in baseball and most of you cannot stand that. He is not the primary reason this offense stalls from time to time. He isn't even in the top 3.

 

[durtymrclean]

It is a 28% difference in OBP, not 2-3%. And where do you get the 9-13 runs in just baserunning? That is absurd and cannot be articulated more than 5 runs, if that. The 28% difference is greater than the runs he costs on the base paths.

I get that V-Mart is the slowest baserunner in baseball and most of you cannot stand that. He is not the primary reason this offense stalls from time to time. He isn't even in the top 3.

Check the baserunning column on fangraphs. Vmart cost the tigers 11.4 runs last year in value. .371= 37.1%. .343=34.3%. 2-3% difference. Basic math my friend.

 

[dubbsco]

Heard V-Mart leads the league in hardest hit balls this morning. So that's good, right?

 

[LGRW_9]

Heard V-Mart leads the league in hardest hit balls this morning. So that's good, right?

Yeah, and using the vernacular of whatshisname on the Lions board, those hard-hit balls that are outs are really "true hits".

Seriously, there are 148 games left in the season. VMart will be fine. But I do like the logic of moving him down in the order, because while he will get his share of hits, he sure as hell isn't going to gain any foot speed.

 

[lonesometiger]

Well Victor did not clean up. In fact he didn't bat at all. Tigers lose 8-1. Would have took a little more than him to make a difference imo.

 

[durtymrclean]

Vmart's April slash: .218/.281/.276.

I'd say give him until middle of june to right ship.

 

[durtymrclean]

Bump

 

[Mitchrapp]

Bump

Why?

 

[nsonnett14]

.260 / .330 / .371 ...i feel ya durty