Tate: Defenses knew what we were doing

[dubbsco]

Just had an interview on 105.1 Detroit with Dery. Said that after every game, one of the defenders came up to him and said we knew exactly what you were running.

Yikes.

 

[atxlion82]

Read an article on the 4th quarter pick the Broncos knew the exact ay we were running.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They know the signals or they just run the same plays and is easy to spot I wonder.

 

[JScottWriter]

Implosion starts now.

 

[atxlion82]

They know the signals or they just run the same plays and is easy to spot I wonder.

Article said based on formation they knew the play that would be run. So that's all on the O Coordinator. Caldwell keeps talking about execution, but if the other team knows the play you're screwed.

 

[kdp1980]

Jesus, if we've got an enormous playbook, how is this even possible?

 

[grandy]

So complex that even the defense has a better chance of figuring it out?

 

[zyxt9]

This ties in with Stafford's comments about the 2 pt conversion, that the formation was going to be tough to throw against so he checked to the run, but then the D checked after that and resulted in the failed try.

seems they know the play based on formation to the point the also know the signal to check and what that play will be. makes you wonder how the lions got any yards at all, let alone points, but sometimes guys make good plays.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe because of past games when they lineup a certain way teams know who's getting the ball? It probably doesn't help that Matt isn't really good with progression reads.

 

[zyxt9]

And you never hear Matt referred to as one of the smartest QBs in the league.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And you never hear Matt referred to as one of the smartest QBs in the league.

It's about the arm, man. The arm.

 

[sggatecl]

lol...So all the excuses about certain players 'learning' the system and players on the opposing defense are picking up on it during reviews the week before. Excellent.

 

[dubbsco]

Remember the excuses in the off-season about how Stafford gets a free pass because he's learning a new system? Well, how complex can it be when the other team figures it out before the game starts?

My bad sgg, just saw your post.

 

[tbone413]

And you never hear Matt referred to as one of the smartest QBs in the league.

Actually, I seem to recall that when he was drafted, Schwartz/Mayhew (and many scouts) listed his high IQ/smarts as one of the reasons he was drafted No 1 overall. I could be wrong, and obviously it seems like they were wrong on that assessment, but its funny how that works...just goes to show how much of a crap shoot it is evaluating prospects.

 

[dubbsco]

But most of what was said in the draft rooms were correct on Stafford. Big arm, inconsistent, fundamentally lazy. If you go back and read his NFL draft report, you'd be shocked at how basically nothing's changed/evolved from when he was picked.

 

[Mitchrapp]

But most of what was said in the draft rooms were correct on Stafford. Big arm, inconsistent, fundamentally lazy. If you go back and read his NFL draft report, you'd be shocked at how basically nothing's changed/evolved from when he was picked.

It's funny how so many here wanted him so badly even though we knew of his short comings. Just look at his college completion %.. Oh well.

 

[tbone413]

But most of what was said in the draft rooms were correct on Stafford. Big arm, inconsistent, fundamentally lazy. If you go back and read his NFL draft report, you'd be shocked at how basically nothing's changed/evolved from when he was picked.

I just read his NFL.com scouting report, and at it is pretty accurate, but it also contradicts itself at times which is funny. But all in all, I think it is pretty correct for the most part (especially his 'weaknesses' they nailed those)

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matthew-stafford?id=79860

First sentence states his 'accurate' arm

"Blessed with a stronger and more accurate arm than many current NFL quarterbacks, Stafford possesses the type of upside that has in the past guaranteed a high first-round selection."

Then they praise his accuracy again

"Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ..."

However then they list his inaccuracy / potential for turnovers

"Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch."

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's the big problem when you need a QB. That's why I hope our next one is why Matt is still here, 2 more years hopefully.

 

[grandy]

First sentence states his 'accurate' arm

"Blessed with a stronger and more accurate arm than many current NFL quarterbacks, Stafford possesses the type of upside that has in the past guaranteed a high first-round selection."

Then they praise his accuracy again

"Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ..."

However then they list his inaccuracy / potential for turnovers

"Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch."

My only guess is that they're talking about the depth and horizontal components of accuracy separately.

 

[inkfreq]

There is a rumor going around that the Saints installed new terminology this year, and sent their "old" playbook to 30 other teams.

Payton might not have been happy about the similarities between his offense and Lombardi's.