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[mhughes0021]

Legit reasons. But I love Caldwell and what he did with Manning.

So can't wait to see the turnovers reduced and the Lions win a ton of games.

Manning 2 years before Caldwell 42 picks
Stafford 2 years before Caldwell 39 picks

Can't wait for elite Stafford.

Im totally fine with Caldwell and his entire coaching staff getting a 10 year extension if we make the playoffs this year. It will honestly be a job well done making lemons into lemonade. Post draft I will still see the lions as a team with very little depth, very few quality starters on defense and probably the 3rd most talented team in the division. Winning the division would mean this coaching Staff improved Stafford and Suhs impact in 1 offseason.

 

[LKP]

Suh,Ansah,Fariley,Tulloch,Levy,Quin,Ihedigbo. Plenty of good starters. and difference makers Palmer is fine at 3rd LB and Bentley or Mathis is fine in nickel.

Jones if healthy, Houston if healthy and Slay developing in year 2 can be too. This is where we greatly differ.

Taylor/Tapp, Mosely,Mathis/Greenwood/Green is fine depth. Carey/IAQ/Gomes is better than you think. Whitehead/Lewis/Hepburn is unknown (not guaranteed bad or good).

Plus we got a draft.

 

[lgolfer]

Suh,Ansah,Fariley,Tulloch,Levy,Quin,Ihedigbo. Plenty of good starters. and difference makers Palmer is fine at 3rd LB and Bentley or Mathis is fine in nickel.

Jones if healthy, Houston if healthy and Slay developing in year 2 can be too. This is where we greatly differ.

Taylor/Tapp, Mosely,Mathis/Greenwood/Green is fine depth. Carey/IAQ/Gomes is better than you think. Whitehead/Lewis/Hepburn is unknown (not guaranteed bad or good).

Plus we got a draft.

Here's my assessment of what you just said:
Most of the starters you listed I agree with except Fairley and Ihedigbo, which I explain below.
Fairley has been very inconsistent. He has the potential to be good, but needs to consistently be good.
Ihedigbo is an average or slightly above average starter. If he was good the Ravens would've kept him.
Jones is average if he's healthy, below average if he's not healthy.
The injury news about Houston isn't very promising. Not sure if we can count on him at all.
I think Slay should be a good starter this year.
Devin Taylor is good depth, Tapp is a ST player and below average DE (bad depth)
Mathis will likely have to start over Houston, so he's not depth.
Green could potentially be decent depth and I think Cassius Vaughn would be our other depth at CB
Not too excited about Carey/IAQ/Gomes as safety depth
Whitehead has only been a ST player so far, I'm surprised Lewis is still on the team, and who knows about Hepburn

 

[LKP]

Fairley has done more than you think. 2011 injured rookie in a playoff year. 2012 had a nice season for most of the year. 2013 he was more good than bad for sure. He's not Suh, never will be, but he's a good player. 5.5 sacks is top 6 for DTs, Nick Fairley led the league in QB hits for DTs with 14 (same as McCoy), and 21 hurries was 18th. Plus Fairley was solid in run defense. He got knocked for penalties really. 2012 top 6 in sacks again, top 9 in Qb hits, top 9 in QB hurries and 7th best in run defense. He's a good DT with potential to be great if he put it all together.

Ihedigbo is very good in run support and on the blitz. Fits strong safety very well. Plus unlike Delmas, he's durable. He's a solid starter and the Ravens went cheap with cap issues. Age plays a factor for him with the Ravens letting him walk and switching Elam(1st round pick) to that spot(strong safety) means alot, doesn't mean Ihedigbo is a bum.

Jones when healthy did very well in 2010 and good in 5-6 games in 2012. 2011 struggled at DE with no DT help in Tennessee. He can excel on this line. Especially with the focus on Suh, Fairley and Ansah. He can be a solid stater.

Tapp can do what Idonije can. He's solid depth and worked with Washburn before.

Agree on Slay. Good starter potential big time. Bigger than the top CBs and faster than the top 3 CBs in this years draft. Mathis is still the depth as Houston is on the roster and could play. We are turning to him due to possible injury. Long way to go until the season for Houston. Houston in 2010-2012 form is a good starter for Detroit. At worst it's an unknown, let's not just assume he will be hurt and I won't assume he will definitely be healthy either. Unknown on the injury.

Carey did solid in 2012 at safety (gave up 38 QB rating, 28th ranked out of 88 safeties plaing 25% of snaps), sucks at nickel back in 2013 (other than Bears game). IAQ has starting experience with the Saints. Again got the job done in 2011/2012 at safety. IAQ gave up 21 QB rating in 2012 in 400 snaps. He struggles against the run but the Saints didn't have the hogs up front that Detroit does. Could upgrade with a rookie still too but experience might win out.

LB depth is unknown. Let's see any of those 3 filling for an injured starter. And really we just need one of the three to step up (unless 2 starters get hurt). I would think any could fill in for Palmer for sure. Tulloch/Levy bigger shoes to fill but let's hope they stay durable like last season and Tulloch all 3 seasons.

 

[tomdalton22]

Fairley has done more than you think. 2011 injured rookie in a playoff year. 2012 had a nice season for most of the year. 2013 he was more good than bad for sure. He's not Suh, never will be, but he's a good player. 5.5 sacks is top 6 for DTs, Nick Fairley led the league in QB hits for DTs with 14 (same as McCoy), and 21 hurries was 18th. Plus Fairley was solid in run defense. He got knocked for penalties really. 2012 top 6 in sacks again, top 9 in Qb hits, top 9 in QB hurries and 7th best in run defense. He's a good DT with potential to be great if he put it all together.

Ihedigbo is very good in run support and on the blitz. Fits strong safety very well. Plus unlike Delmas, he's durable. He's a solid starter and the Ravens went cheap with cap issues. Age plays a factor for him with the Ravens letting him walk and switching Elam(1st round pick) to that spot(strong safety) means alot, doesn't mean Ihedigbo is a bum.

Jones when healthy did very well in 2010 and good in 5-6 games in 2012. 2011 struggled at DE with no DT help in Tennessee. He can excel on this line. Especially with the focus on Suh, Fairley and Ansah. He can be a solid stater.

Tapp can do what Idonije can. He's solid depth and worked with Washburn before.

Agree on Slay. Good starter potential big time. Bigger than the top CBs and faster than the top 3 CBs in this years draft. Mathis is still the depth as Houston is on the roster and could play. We are turning to him due to possible injury. Long way to go until the season for Houston. Houston in 2010-2012 form is a good starter for Detroit. At worst it's an unknown, let's not just assume he will be hurt and I won't assume he will definitely be healthy either. Unknown on the injury.

Carey did solid in 2012 at safety (gave up 38 QB rating, 28th ranked out of 88 safeties plaing 25% of snaps), sucks at nickel back in 2013 (other than Bears game). IAQ has starting experience with the Saints. Again got the job done in 2011/2012 at safety. IAQ gave up 21 QB rating in 2012 in 400 snaps. He struggles against the run but the Saints didn't have the hogs up front that Detroit does. Could upgrade with a rookie still too but experience might win out.

LB depth is unknown. Let's see any of those 3 filling for an injured starter. And really we just need one of the three to step up (unless 2 starters get hurt). I would think any could fill in for Palmer for sure. Tulloch/Levy bigger shoes to fill but let's hope they stay durable like last season and Tulloch all 3 seasons.

You and Mayhew must disagree on Fairly since they didn't pick up his option.

 

[jdeb]

OMG, here we go again...

Fairley has ability but is an undisciplined player. He does not prepare all the time and is lazy for the most part. He will never take it to the next level which he can clearly do. The guy is getting paid, can buy the best weed, got dope rides, and a serious crib. He is content. I think he actually may bring the team down a little with his ways. I hope he is gone after the season. Best case scenario is that he steps it up in this contract year so it makes it more swift on his departure.

Ihedigbo is a very good special teams player but is very average as a safety. He is a good tackler but will frustrate us to no end with his below average coverage skill. Get ready for it because he just isn't that special.

Wishful thinking (your specialty) on Jones. Tends to play too high. Not very good against the run. He is a high motor guy and if used correctly may add some depth.

Slay. I am not sold on him yet. I see the potential and give him a 1st year pass as most rookies at that position struggle with the transition to the pros. He seems to be a mental midget at times. Year 2 will tell us a lot.

 

[jdeb]

Jr isn't even the owner. he's just a chairman, unless something's changed recently that i'm not aware of. after Sr died, the team went to his wife. but that doesn't really mean anything about who's running the team, just who's name is on the ownership contract.

What's your point? Would you have rather me put his mother's name in my comment? His mother won't be doing much more than collecting a pay check.

 

[lgolfer]

Fairley has done more than you think. 2011 injured rookie in a playoff year. 2012 had a nice season for most of the year. 2013 he was more good than bad for sure. He's not Suh, never will be, but he's a good player. 5.5 sacks is top 6 for DTs, Nick Fairley led the league in QB hits for DTs with 14 (same as McCoy), and 21 hurries was 18th. Plus Fairley was solid in run defense. He got knocked for penalties really. 2012 top 6 in sacks again, top 9 in Qb hits, top 9 in QB hurries and 7th best in run defense. He's a good DT with potential to be great if he put it all together.

Jones when healthy did very well in 2010 and good in 5-6 games in 2012. 2011 struggled at DE with no DT help in Tennessee. He can excel on this line. Especially with the focus on Suh, Fairley and Ansah. He can be a solid stater.

Tapp can do what Idonije can. He's solid depth and worked with Washburn before.

You just proved my point with what you said about Fairley. He's had some very good games, even several good games in a row before, but he doesn't consistently bring effort. That causes him to be a non-factor some games. So he's good, but too inconsistent.

First of all, 2010 was 4 years ago! 2nd, is 3.5 sacks doing "very well" when you start 15 games? 3rd, Jones was injured in the Lions 3rd game last year and up to that point had 1 tackle and 1 pass defensed. No other stats. He did well in the preseason, but that's the preseason for a reason! Do you honestly think he'll be able to consistently get to the QB? Cause I don't and that's what we're missing.

So can Tapp can get 1/2 a sack in 15 games played? And to be honest, I don't think he's even as good as Idonije.
Tapp has started 3 games since the 2010 season with a total of 7 sacks.
Idonije has started 42 games with a total of 21 sacks!
There's no comparison!

 

[mhughes0021]

Suh,Ansah,Fariley,Tulloch,Levy,Quin,Ihedigbo. Plenty of good starters. and difference makers Palmer is fine at 3rd LB and Bentley or Mathis is fine in nickel.

Jones if healthy, Houston if healthy and Slay developing in year 2 can be too. This is where we greatly differ.

Taylor/Tapp, Mosely,Mathis/Greenwood/Green is fine depth. Carey/IAQ/Gomes is better than you think. Whitehead/Lewis/Hepburn is unknown (not guaranteed bad or good).

Plus we got a draft.

Suh is great..... but overpaid without a contract
Ansah and slay are the only ones that have promise
Quin I like
Levy we'll see what he can do to follow up his breakout performance of last year...cause prior to last year he was worth a bag of kicking tees. So ill give him a 2nd chance....
Taylor is ok depth....cause we don't have anything better.

everyone else on the defense could be let go tomorrow and id be fine with it for one reason or another:

Tulloch is on his last legs and will need to be replaced in the next 2 years.

Ihedigbo is mediocre at best and could be replaced this draft

Fairley is good....sometimes...but not as consistent of a presence as youd like out of a top 15 pick. throw in the character issues. He probably looking to be overpaid and on his way out.

All the depth you listed sucks ass...which is why everytime we lose....you talk about a toenail that fell off...or that hangnail that happened in the 3rd quarter.

 

[brewer229]

To summarize: if There are no injuries, everyone plays to their career best and/or potential we have a solid defense.

Same could be said for every other team.

 

[mhughes0021]

To summarize: if There are no injuries, everyone plays to their career best and/or potential we have a solid defense.

Same could be said for every other team.

yup. if suh plays like his rookie year, Houston plays like 2012, levy plays like 2013, Tulloch plays like 10 years ago, slay plays like he was back in JUCO, Ihedigbo plays like he was back in Nigeria chasing real lions, Mathis plays like he was 20 years younger, Fairley plays like he was being chased by the cops.....we could really have something special.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lol.

 

[jdeb]

Lol

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[Mitchrapp]

Im totally fine with Caldwell and his entire coaching staff getting a 10 year extension if we make the playoffs this year. It will honestly be a job well done making lemons into lemonade. Post draft I will still see the lions as a team with very little depth, very few quality starters on defense and probably the 3rd most talented team in the division. Winning the division would mean this coaching Staff improved Stafford and Suhs impact in 1 offseason.

YOU'RE Kidding right?

Who gives a fk about playoffs.

 

[af1991]

Aaron Donald at #10.

1. In my opinion, he has the highest probability that a team in the 11-20 range would consider trading up to get AND STILL allow us to grab one of the CB/S we covet/need (Dennard, Gilbert, Dix, Fuller, Pryor, Verrett, etc.) plus a extra Day 2 pick. Apparently we need to trade back in order for our NEED to match the BPA which removes MM's influence from the equation.
2. If we end up keeping him...great insurance if Suh and/or Fairley decide to split.

 

[inkfreq]

Aaron Donald at #10.

1. In my opinion, he has the highest probability that a team in the 11-20 range would consider trading up to get AND STILL allow us to grab one of the CB/S we covet/need (Dennard, Gilbert, Dix, Fuller, Pryor, Verrett, etc.) plus a extra Day 2 pick. Apparently we need to trade back in order for our NEED to match the BPA which removes MM's influence from the equation.
2. If we end up keeping him...great insurance if Suh and/or Fairley decide to split.

If we do not move out of the #10, I agree in many ways. I certainly wouldn't be upset with Donald at 10.

Right now, we're looking like we could lose both Suh and Fairley after this season. Having one guy in hand, and drafting another next season wouldn't be the worst way to proactively patch a hole.

I don't think it's going to happen though. Mayhew and Caldwell are focused on the now, they want to win, hotseat or no. They want impact this season, not protection for next season.

Odds are, if we do lose both those guys, we draft an early DT next season, and look in free agency for a replacement.

 

[mhughes0021]

Aaron Donald at #10.

1. In my opinion, he has the highest probability that a team in the 11-20 range would consider trading up to get AND STILL allow us to grab one of the CB/S we covet/need (Dennard, Gilbert, Dix, Fuller, Pryor, Verrett, etc.) plus a extra Day 2 pick. Apparently we need to trade back in order for our NEED to match the BPA which removes MM's influence from the equation.
2. If we end up keeping him...great insurance if Suh and/or Fairley decide to split.

use Donald or martin as trade bait. Gilbert or Donald at 10 if were stuck there.

 

[jdeb]

everyone wants to trade down. chances of lions doing that are pretty slim.

 

[inkfreq]

everyone wants to trade down. chances of lions doing that are pretty slim.

Thats a fact. Every team has been rumored to be trading down, including the ones trying to trade up.

I don't see the Lions dealing down because they wont have a dance partner available.

 

[LKP]

Suh,Levy,Tulloch,Quin, Ihedigbo must play like 2013. Or Suh like 2010 and 2012 and Tulloch 2011 and Quin 2011-2012.
Fairley like 2012/2013
Houston like 2010-2012
Jones like 2010 or 2012
Mathis like 2013 with 2-4 more picks.
Slay like most talented CBs in year 2 at 6'1 with 4.36 speed.
And Palmer is fine but won't play that much.
Ansah and Taylor in year 2 for talented DEs.

Plus we'll add some talented rookies unless we trade up for Watkins.

Man the Lions defense is so talented. Great job Mayhew. More than one good year for most of the guys.