The Marlins Interviewed Legendary Lloyd

[spockmaster]

http://detroit.sbnation.com/tigers/2012/10/31/3581774/detroit-tigers-marlins-manager-lloyd-mcclendon


PLEASE TAKE HIM AWAY FROM US PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!


then we could have a real hitting coach!

 

[tigermud]

Please!! hire him hire him

 

[byco42]

And Lloyd, take Lamont with you!

 

[Thumb]

And Lloyd, take Lamont with you!

And Jeff Jones.

 

[spockmaster]

And Jeff Jones.

im neither here nor there where jones is concerned. hes not the greatest pitching coach and had no real qualifications for the job when he got it, but on the other hand our pitching was our strength this year. itd be nice to have a real pitching coach, but hes not really hurting us either from what i can tell.

 

[Thumb]

im neither here nor there where jones is concerned. hes not the greatest pitching coach and had no real qualifications for the job when he got it, but on the other hand our pitching was our strength this year. itd be nice to have a real pitching coach, but hes not really hurting us either from what i can tell.

I would say our pitching was our strength in spite of Jones.

And it was only our Starting pitching btw. We had issues from every single reliever in the bullpen this year.

All I ever hear from Leyland is how "Jonesy spotted a little mechanical flaw he going to try to tweak" but never see many results. I give Jones 0 credit for the pitching ability of JV, Fister, or Sanchez. Scherzer maybe, and Porcello is reason enough to dump Jones, how many years now and has not helped him develop an out pitch. Not to mention every time Scherzer got really bad, the minors; not Jones, fixed him up.

IMO Jones is simply unqualified to be a pitching coach, any idiot can sit there with a clicker and count pitches, but working with pitchers needs to be handled by someone who was previously a pitcher or a catcher.

Give Dan Petry the job.

 

[spockmaster]

well, jones was a pitcher in the 80s, just not a good one or for long.


id be all for giving petry the job.

 

[byco42]

A pitching coach is more of a psychologist and less of a technician. He gets out of the pitcher's way rather than getting too bogged down in the details.

Valverde's problem is not all mechanical; it's mostly between his ears, and Jones doesn't seems the sort to help in that way.

 

[mjsb2]

How much credit do we give Jones for the improvement of both Fister and Sanchez?

Both of them made adjustments after joining the Tigers that resulted in a higher level of performance than with their previous teams.

 

[hungry]

im neither here nor there where jones is concerned. hes not the greatest pitching coach and had no real qualifications for the job when he got it, but on the other hand our pitching was our strength this year. itd be nice to have a real pitching coach, but hes not really hurting us either from what i can tell.

No qualifications? Well, he's Leyland's buddy. That's all the qualifications a guy needs, isn't it?

 

[hungry]

How much credit do we give Jones for the improvement of both Fister and Sanchez?

Both of them made adjustments after joining the Tigers that resulted in a higher level of performance than with their previous teams.

They did? The way I looked at it, they both had the ability before, but pitched for horrid teams.

 

[Thumb]

How much credit do we give Jones for the improvement of both Fister and Sanchez?

Both of them made adjustments after joining the Tigers that resulted in a higher level of performance than with their previous teams.

Probably as much credit as we give Lloyd for Fielder hitting .300 for the first time, or Cabrera winning a triple crown.

As far as the improvements, Fister was as unhittable as anyone after the trade last year, and this year while good, he was around his average when he was in Seattle in 2011. Doug has steadily gotten better each season, aside from the early trouble this season due to injury.

Sanchez's ERA with Detroit was .01 lower than his career ERA with Miami. But the sample size in this case makes it hard to tell if it was a change he made, or just pitched better on his own. His xFIP was lower with Miami than Detroit in 2012.

I don't think I could say Jeff Jones significantly altered either of them.

 

[Thumb]

No qualifications? Well, he's Leyland's buddy. That's all the qualifications a guy needs, isn't it?

Actually I think Jones is an Ilitch guy. Radio guys mention all the time how he used to play junior hockey for Ilitch's Little Ceasars team.

 

[mjsb2]

They did? The way I looked at it, they both had the ability before, but pitched for horrid teams.

Yes, they did.

They both made adjustments and their games improved considerably as a result.

 

[mjsb2]

Probably as much credit as we give Lloyd for Fielder hitting .300 for the first time, or Cabrera winning a triple crown.

As far as the improvements, Fister was as unhittable as anyone after the trade last year, and this year while good, he was around his average when he was in Seattle in 2011. Doug has steadily gotten better each season, aside from the early trouble this season due to injury.

Sanchez's ERA with Detroit was .01 lower than his career ERA with Miami. But the sample size in this case makes it hard to tell if it was a change he made, or just pitched better on his own. His xFIP was lower with Miami than Detroit in 2012.

I don't think I could say Jeff Jones significantly altered either of them.

Fister this year was much better than his previous years in Seattle.

In Seattle he was a 3rd/4th starter type, with Detroit he's a legitimate #2, and that's because he changed the way he pitched after joining the Tigers.

Maybe Jones had something to do with that, maybe not.

Sanchez struggled at first after joining the Tigers, but after August, when there was a noticeable change in his release point, and also in the pitches he was throwing, he was terrific.

After those adjustments were made he pitched like a legitimate ace.

Who knows how much of a role Jones played in that, if it all, I'm just saying I have no problem with him here.

 

[Thumb]

Okay those are two examples of how he may or may not have improved a couple guys.

What about Porcello, Benoit, BV, Valverde, Coke, etc.

It's similar to Lloyd IMO, yes he gets credit for the change with Ajax, but was it enough?

I feel Jones does little other than keep pitch counts and relay messages to the mound from Leyland for the most part.

 

[mjsb2]

Some players just don't have talent or the ability to improve.

It's really too hard to gauge the effectiveness of a pitching/hitting coach.

 

[spockmaster]

fuck, they hired mike redmond. stupid (or maybe smart?) marlins.

 

[biggunsbob]

I like Jeff Jones... But does he know what a -0-2 or 1-2 count is? I sure seems like he staff doesn't at times...'