Tigers interested in Asdrubal Cabrera

[kalinecountry]

http://www.freep.com/article/201211...al-cabrera-cleveland-indians?odyssey=nav|head
Tigers pursuing Asdrubal Cabrera.
from the freep

maybe, maybe not, coming from jim bowden.

 

[spockmaster]

ill believe it when i see it, i never believe anything bowden says.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away

Peralta (30) .322 OBP .407 SLG .729 OPS

A. Cabrera (27) .322 OBP .407 SLG .729 OPS


UZR/150 last 3 years

Peralta 9.5

Jeter -10.3

A. Cabrera -11.9


Of 25 MLB SS with at leat 2000 Innings at SS over the last 3 years. Peralta ranks #4 and A. Cabrera ranks dead last.


UZR/150 has it's flaws, but it still is a decent comparison stat. I do not see A. Cabrera as an upgrade.

 

[Thumb]

Well Cabrera has exceptional range, and makes plays JP never could imagine, that said, he also makes more errors on the balls he does get to.

I see the 3 year OPS comparison, but I have to say that's a little flawed. Cabrera was injured much of 2010, which might account for his very low OPS that year, and Peralta had a monster 2011, which it seems unlikely he will ever come very close to repeating.

If Asdrubal were a free agent I'd say sign him, and while I personally see him as an upgrade over JP, I don't see it being as much of an upgrade to trade anything substantial for.

 

[Rebbiv]

2011 Peralta

Home = .359 OBP .539 SLG .898 OPS

Away = .332 OBP .420 SLG .752 OPS


Perala's 2011 Away is more in line with his 3 year average away. So how does 2011 effect those numbers? It really doesn't it

Peralta Last 5 years Away

2008 = .876 OPS

2009 = .733 OPS

2010 = .777 OPS

2011 = .752 OPS

2012 = .647 OPS

Why not throw out his 2012 season? It is drastically below his last 5 year average.

A. Cabrera Last 5 years Away

2008 = .648 OPS

2009 = .828 OPS

2010 = .661 OPS

2011 = .751 OPS

2012 = .752 OPS


So...if you take one of their worst seasons and their best season away the last 5 years, you still basically get the same hitter. Which is around .750 OPS.

Just my opinion, but range is overrated. Alan Trammell did not have great range. It was his smarts and accurate throws that separated him from others.

How many times over the year I saw Inge throw it away or just make a bone-head play. Yet, his proponents wanted to cite what great range he had. Hogwash. Part of Inge's ability was based on positioning. Good positioning is just as good as range. If the scouting report is to pitch a righthanded hitter away, there isn't much sense to hugging the line.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Unless its Tulo, no thanks.

 

[motown1958]

Getting rid of Peralta for asdrubal cabrera doesnt make much sense. Peralta wasnt the major problem. He is decent at short plus once we got a real second basemen the infield showed moderate defensive improvement.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

I agree with rebbiv that the knock of peralta over his range is overstated

talk of stephen drew as an upgrade are ridicuous

stephen drew from 2009? sure.

stephen drew post injury? no way.

 

[spockmaster]

i agree with the range being overrated with someone who isnt sure handed like peralta is. what would be the point of getting to those extra balls if theyre going to fuck up a lot more plays? i want someone with more ramge than peralta only if theyre at least as sure-handed as he is and has a good arm. anything less isnt an upgrade.

 

[Thumb]

i agree with the range being overrated with someone who isnt sure handed like peralta is. what would be the point of getting to those extra balls if theyre going to fuck up a lot more plays? i want someone with more ramge than peralta only if theyre at least as sure-handed as he is and has a good arm. anything less isnt an upgrade.

There are still situations where the better range is important even if it does not equal an out.

Keeping a ball on the infield, rather than letting it dribble out to be charged by an OF might keep a runner on 3rd from trying to score, even if the out at 1st can't be made.

Cabrera is a better player. Offense and defense.

But the issue is how much better, and at what cost to bother?

 

[Rebbiv]

There are still situations where the better range is important even if it does not equal an out.

Keeping a ball on the infield, rather than letting it dribble out to be charged by an OF might keep a runner on 3rd from trying to score, even if the out at 1st can't be made.

Cabrera is a better player. Offense and defense.

But the issue is how much better, and at what cost to bother?

I would counter and say Peralta is the better player. Offense and defense.

The only real difference is the age.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Great range doesn't mean shit if you're throwing the ball away.

 

[spockmaster]

There are still situations where the better range is important even if it does not equal an out.

Keeping a ball on the infield, rather than letting it dribble out to be charged by an OF might keep a runner on 3rd from trying to score, even if the out at 1st can't be made.

true, but cabrera fucks up easy plays peralta also makes in his sleep. my point is that cabrera's range is not an advantage over peralta's lack of range because cabrera comparatively sucks at actually making plays on balls he gets to, even ones peralta also gets to.

 

[spockmaster]

http://www.blessyouboys.com/detroit...s-pursuing-asdrubal-cabrera-cleveland-indians


sacrificing defense for a tiny bit of offense and a ton of prospects. no thanks.

 

[amajjd]

Plus Cabrera isn't worth the prospects and a big contract. Like it has been said here he isn't a huge upgrade so why pay the extra price. JP has been serviceable, even though most would have been screaming for this trade in July.

Plus I hate Asdrubal's attitude, he seems to always be arguing balls and strikes and throwing his bat after every bad call.

 

[kalinecountry]

Plus I hate Asdrubal's attitude, he seems to always be arguing balls and strikes and throwing his bat after every bad call.


This.
It does seem like a.cabrera acts like a malcontent. Whether that is because he plays for the indians, is a guess.

Everything discussed here does look like it would be an overpay for assdribble,

one thing I saw and maybe some of you will remember about Jhonny, many of his throws from routine plays....were like a dying quail and would come in to Fielder around his ankles.
Just seemed like many of Peralta's throws were weak. anyone else see/remember that?

 

[kalinecountry]

From Jon Paul Morosi:
Source: Asdrubal Cabrera has 6-team no-trade clause, covering Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Nationals, Giants, Mets.

On Asdrubal Cabrera no-trade: It's not that he wants to avoid those cities. They are teams that are wealthy/aggressive enough to want him.

If team wants to send you to club on no-trade you can demand money in return for permission. This is how savvy agents and players do it.

 

[spockmaster]

we can only hope the high price and no-trade clause will put this stupid rumor to rest.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

we can only hope the high price and no-trade clause will put this stupid rumor to rest.

MLBTR said today that a Tigers source said there were no discussions w/ the Indians on Cabrera and that reports on our interest in upgrading SS have been really overblown.

Also, Yankees are now supposedly hot on Drew with ARod set to miss part of the year with surgery recovery.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2012/12/detroit_tigers_reportedly_cool.html
Detroit Tigers reportedly 'cool' on shortstop Stephen Drew, haven't discussed trade for Cleveland's Asdrubal Cabrera.
from Mlive

The Indians are actively shopping Cabrera and ESPN's Jim Bowden identified the Tigers as a potential suitor for the 27-year-old late last week,

new ass clown bowden throwing crap on the wall to see what sticks and makes him look like a genius.