Tigers sign SP Mike Pelfry and release him 3/30/2017

[sggatecl]

Yea , that makes alot of sense . So we wont be seeing your brilliant post's throughout the season then ? Darn , i will miss the doom and gloom people so much .

I'll be here. The question is will you be able to control your temper tantrums and stick around as well? I look forward to a long, long season of baseball talk. It wouldn't be any fun if everyone here was a realist, I'm glad to have slappies like you around.

 

[sggatecl]

We are contenders. There are many ifs but we are contenders.

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Guess it just depends on how he defines 'contender' then. Imo, a contender has minimal ifs. Because of his injuries, maybe he'll pull a Clemens and make sure who the real contenders are. We'll see.

 

[Rebbiv]

Not true. Not at all in fact.

What possible qualification does Buster Olney have to judge the finances of a Billion dollar plus business? The guy has a BA from Vanderbilt in History (a business expert he ain't). He is basing his whole argument on crap anecdotal wisdom.

That wasn't homerism, that was defending logic.

Am I wrong about ESPN, the supposed leader in sports? No.

For me I read broadly, and follow two things: Logic and the credibility of the source.

I do not care if a source disagrees with me.

As an IT manager, one of my best Software Engineers was a History major. I guess I am missing the logic. A diploma determines one's qualification and not live experiences (ala reading broadly)? Do we know that Olney doesn't read broadly?

 

[dale675]

For the money I would have rather gambled with Fister, he is seeking 2 years 22m from what I've read. I bet we could have got him for 2 years 19-20m. Probably even 18m with possible bonuses. Both have had injury issues but at least Fister has been good at different points in his career. More than one can say about Pelfrey.

 

[Mitchrapp]

As an IT manager, one of my best Software Engineers was a History major. I guess I am missing the logic. A diploma determines one's qualification and not live experiences (ala reading broadly)? Do we know that Olney doesn't read broadly?

I read an article years ago, probably still holds true. In the article it stated near 80% people with a degree work at something different than what they graduated in..

I have a BBA, Marketing. My entire working career have been with computers/IT. I worked with people who had degrees in History, English, Science etc.

 

[JackCade]

As an IT manager, one of my best Software Engineers was a History major. I guess I am missing the logic. A diploma determines one's qualification and not live experiences (ala reading broadly)? Do we know that Olney doesn't read broadly?

Yeah, but it isn't like Buster Olney has spent years working in business or front offices of baseball teams. He's a baseball reporter and has been one pretty much his whole adult life. That makes him qualified to talk about the game of baseball (not necessarily the financial aspect of it).

Just because he's spent 27 years reporting on baseball does not give him the expertise to evaluate the financial structure of the Detroit Tigers and come to a credible conclusion that they will go the way of the Phillies. Olney, probably if you asked him, would admit that he doesn't really know what he is talking about and was really just speculating. I don't know the guy, but I hope that is true. Few people are truly qualified to make the claims that he made about the Tigers financial future, and not one of them works at ESPN or any other sports media outlets. How can I say that with such confidence? Because the people qualified to make that assessment are busy running baseball teams.

If Olney cited Dave Dombrowski or several other experts as saying it, that'd be an entirely different matter.

On the side discussion: I think degrees like English, History, Philosophy are more about learning to think, learning to learn, learning to write, etc. They are more open ended degrees that position graduates to do lots of things. People who get other sorts of degrees with directly related career paths run the risk of getting out and hating the work, not finding work, etc. but the have the potential reward of jobs waiting, if they plan it right.

Not, that other degrees don't teach people to think or learn, obviously, just than in theory the humanities focus on it more.

 

[sggatecl]

Yeah, but it isn't like Buster Olney has spent years working in business or front offices of baseball teams. He's a baseball reporter and has been one pretty much his whole adult life. That makes him qualified to talk about the game of baseball (not necessarily the financial aspect of it).

You really don't think 27 years of reporting on all things baseball hasn't given him some knowledge and perspective on how the front office of a baseball franchise works?

Olney, probably if you asked him, would admit that he doesn't really know what he is talking about and was really just speculating. I don't know the guy, but I hope that is true. Few people are truly qualified to make the claims that he made about the Tigers financial future, and not one of them works at ESPN or any other sports media outlets. How can I say that with such confidence? Because the people qualified to make that assessment are busy running baseball teams.

If Olney cited Dave Dombrowski or several other experts as saying it, that'd be an entirely different matter.

He'd actually probably look at you funny and ask "Who the fuck is this guy to tell me that I don't know anything about a baseball front office?"

 

[Thumb]

How can I say that with such confidence? Because the people qualified to make that assessment are busy running baseball teams.

You don't think anyone else but those people are qualified to understand how that kind of business works?

What you're implying is like me saying only a farmer knows where milk and eggs come from, everyone else is just making unqualified guesses.

Friendly advice: You might want to stop digging this hole soon.

 

[nsonnett14]

I'll be here. The question is will you be able to control your temper tantrums and stick around as well? I look forward to a long, long season of baseball talk. It wouldn't be any fun if everyone here was a realist, I'm glad to have slappies like you around.

haha its a new Sonnett these days , im not a blind homer by any means but i just think we did a pretty good job .

http://m.tigers.mlb.com/news/article/162887964/tigers-win-offseason-with-upton-zimmermann

 

[sggatecl]

haha its a new Sonnett these days , im not a blind homer by any means but i just think we did a pretty good job .

http://m.tigers.mlb.com/news/article/162887964/tigers-win-offseason-with-upton-zimmermann

I hope at the end of the season I'm the one apologizing to you.

 

[nsonnett14]

I hope at the end of the season I'm the one apologizing to you.

I just hope we have a great season , it wouldnt mean an apology if we did . I can see both sides of the argument and of course we havent won shit since 84 so its tough to be overly
optimistic . I think in every sport , for all my teams i am overly confident/optimistic because its a new year and anything can happen .

 

[JackCade]

Look, the game of baseball and the finances of billion plus entertainment business are two different things.
Olney is an entertainment reporter, essentially, or maybe a movie critic, that doesn't give him the expertise to understand the nuances of the business end of the industry.
So, no, 27 years doesn't give him that knowledge.
No I am not saying only farmers, others could too. But, this is a very specialized sort of knowledge. Besides, on the face of Olney's analysis is not convincing.

As for who I am, I am a pediatric brain surgeon, but a smart one, and if I was introduced to Buster Olney and I rendered my critique he would probably not have much to say back.

Whatever, why are you defending him? He clearly doesn't know that the hell he's talking about.

The Phillies have bad ownership team, pretty good market, but with stiff nearby competition (they are surrounded by MLB clubs), and Tigers high priced talent is better.

 

[nsonnett14]

Look, the game of baseball and the finances of billion plus entertainment business are two different things.
Olney is an entertainment reporter, essentially, or maybe a movie critic, that doesn't give him the expertise to understand the nuances of the business end of the industry.
So, no, 27 years doesn't give him that knowledge.
No I am not saying only farmers, others could too. But, this is a very specialized sort of knowledge. Besides, on the face of Olney's analysis is not convincing.

As for who I am, I am a pediatric brain surgeon, but a smart one, and if I was introduced to Buster Olney and I rendered my critique he would probably not have much to say back.

Whatever, why are you defending him? He clearly doesn't know that the hell he's talking about.

The Phillies have bad ownership team, pretty good market, but with stiff nearby competition (they are surrounded by MLB clubs), and Tigers high priced talent is better.

lol what are you talking about ? Ive seen ya post now for a little while and i thought you were a good source of some quality information . I was gonna say oh of course , the usuals are just picking on ya but you keep going .

IMO Olney is one of the most knowledgeable people out there , hes been around the game for so long ....anyway whatever , keep arguing about dumb stuff lol

 

[sggatecl]

Look, the game of baseball and the finances of billion plus entertainment business are two different things.
Olney is an entertainment reporter, essentially, or maybe a movie critic, that doesn't give him the expertise to understand the nuances of the business end of the industry.
So, no, 27 years doesn't give him that knowledge.
No I am not saying only farmers, others could too. But, this is a very specialized sort of knowledge. Besides, on the face of Olney's analysis is not convincing.

As for who I am, I am a pediatric brain surgeon, but a smart one, and if I was introduced to Buster Olney and I rendered my critique he would probably not have much to say back.

Whatever, why are you defending him? He clearly doesn't know that the hell he's talking about.

The Phillies have bad ownership team, pretty good market, but with stiff nearby competition (they are surrounded by MLB clubs), and Tigers high priced talent is better.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Look, the game of baseball and the finances of billion plus entertainment business are two different things.
Olney is an entertainment reporter, essentially, or maybe a movie critic, that doesn't give him the expertise to understand the nuances of the business end of the industry.
So, no, 27 years doesn't give him that knowledge.
No I am not saying only farmers, others could too. But, this is a very specialized sort of knowledge. Besides, on the face of Olney's analysis is not convincing.

As for who I am, I am a pediatric brain surgeon, but a smart one, and if I was introduced to Buster Olney and I rendered my critique he would probably not have much to say back.

Whatever, why are you defending him? He clearly doesn't know that the hell he's talking about.

The Phillies have bad ownership team, pretty good market, but with stiff nearby competition (they are surrounded by MLB clubs), and Tigers high priced talent is better.

 

[Thumb]

Whatever, why are you defending him? He clearly doesn't know that the hell he's talking about.

In what way is it clear he doesn't know what he's talking about? Because you disagree with him?

 

[tomdalton22]

Look, the game of baseball and the finances of billion plus entertainment business are two different things.
Olney is an entertainment reporter, essentially, or maybe a movie critic, that doesn't give him the expertise to understand the nuances of the business end of the industry.
So, no, 27 years doesn't give him that knowledge.
No I am not saying only farmers, others could too. But, this is a very specialized sort of knowledge. Besides, on the face of Olney's analysis is not convincing.

As for who I am, I am a pediatric brain surgeon, but a smart one, and if I was introduced to Buster Olney and I rendered my critique he would probably not have much to say back.

Whatever, why are you defending him? He clearly doesn't know that the hell he's talking about.

The Phillies have bad ownership team, pretty good market, but with stiff nearby competition (they are surrounded by MLB clubs), and Tigers high priced talent is better.

I find most of your posts about this subject pretty funny. You keep telling everyone that Buster Olney isn't qualified to analyze the business side of baseball and give your reasons why you think he is wrong yet you are less qualified than he is.

 

[Rebbiv]

i find most of your posts about this subject pretty funny. You keep telling everyone that buster olney isn't qualified to analyze the business side of baseball and give your reasons why you think he is wrong yet you are less qualified than he is.

+1000

 

[byco42]

haha its a new Sonnett these days , im not a blind homer by any means but i just think we did a pretty good job .

http://m.tigers.mlb.com/news/article/162887964/tigers-win-offseason-with-upton-zimmermann

Cameron Maybin, added in a trade with the Braves, is likely to platoon with Anthony Gose in center. Mike Aviles and Jarrod Saltalamacchia bring 17 years of experience to the bench, and Mike Pelfrey adds stability to the back of the rotation.

 

[JackCade]

I find most of your posts about this subject pretty funny. You keep telling everyone that Buster Olney isn't qualified to analyze the business side of baseball and give your reasons why you think he is wrong yet you are less qualified than he is.

Hi Tom, do we know each other? No.
Cause, you don't know that I am "less qualified" to evaluate Buster Olney's article. And actually I am FAR more qualified to do that than some sports reporter is qualified to talk about the finances of the Tigers without citing people with more expertise.

As for arguing because I disagree with him, yes of course, I am not going to argue with him if I agree with him!
It isn't homerism, it is logic, now if he'd said it about some other team I wouldn't have noticed.

Actually as I think about it, he is protecting the "tank" philosophy of building a team (stink for a few years, shed payroll, build a farm and talent, compete, sell off and tank). This is a cycle that supposedly only a select few teams have managed to avoid. Poor cities, lesser organizations are supposed to be subject to it while the Yankees, etc. are not, and it is a bit of a scandal brewing right now.

Anyone want to refute the facts of the Tigers financial situation versus the Phillies' situation?

The Phillies owners are losers, Ilitch is richer and a 100 times better at owning a sports franchise.
The Phillies market has some greater challenges than the Tigers' market: they are surrounded by the Nats, the Os, Yankees, Mets, all within a few hours of them, the Tigers only competitor for viewers and fans that is similarly close is the Tribe.
The Phillies talented expensive players are not as good as the Tigers" talent.
The Phillies organization is not as good as the Tigers (Dombrowski was good, Avila seems even better).

These are the terms of the debate. These are things I might be wrong about: maybe the market has a larger population and so the nearby competition doesn't matter. Maybe the Phillies owners are better than Ilitch, maybe... etc.

As for my qualifications: I am not claiming authority, I am citing evidence (which Olney doesn't really do; that is his error he relies on his own ethos, which is insufficient, rather than gathering sufficient logos/evidence to prove his point). I do not have to be an expert on baseball to make that observation, I just need to have noticed it and understand how ethos and logos work, which any college educated person should be able to do.