Tigers vs. Indians August 14, 2020 Game 17

[biggunsbob]

Tigers lose 3rd in a row and 18th straight to the Indians and fall to 9-8 on the season. Final score 10-5.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What were your expectations? This team wasn't just going to win something. Its fortunate they're just playing the central. But no Twins or Cubs yet. At months end they're be fighting for last place with KC.

 

[turok]

Damn miggy is batting .183 now

Looks like although Miggy is likely to be a first ballot HoFer, his only WS championship will be with the Marlins in his rookie season. Absent the unlikelihood of a trade to a contender during his last 4 years remaining, or the Tigers becoming one in '23 and/or '24. 21 seasons and only one WS in '12 since then, that he himself didn't distinguish in.


Really his only truly outstanding postseason series was vs rangers in '11 ALCS, which was the only one that he hit more than one homer (three) and had 4 doubles while slashing .400/.556/1.050 in a 6 game series loss. Out of 8 postseason series since joining the Tigers in '08 @ age 25, Cabrera has averaged 2 XBH, being a homer and a double...not very impressive for an 11x All Star, 2x AL MVP, and the only AL Triple Crown winner since Yaz in '67.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Looks like although Miggy is likely to be a first ballot HoFer, his only WS championship will be with the Marlins in his rookie season. Absent the unlikelihood of a trade to a contender during his last 4 years remaining, or the Tigers becoming one in '23 and/or '24. 21 seasons and only one WS in '12 since then, that he himself didn't distinguish in.


Really his only truly outstanding postseason series was vs rangers in '11 ALCS, which was the only one that he hit more than one homer (three) and had 4 doubles while slashing .400/.556/1.050 in a 6 game series loss. Out of 8 postseason series since joining the Tigers in '08 @ age 25, Cabrera has averaged 2 XBH, being a homer and a double...not very impressive for an 11x All Star, 2x AL MVP, and the only AL Triple Crown winner since Yaz in '67.

Are you saying he under preformed as a Tiger? You'd be so wrong. He also had nice postseason seasons with Detroit. Not just vs Texas. Check out Kershaw's post-season numbers, now that is underwhelming.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/indians...476#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=631476
Boxscore.

https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/tigers-loss-streak-to-indians-continues
'Tough night' as losing streak vs. Tribe hits 18.
Tigers official site

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2020/8...ians-final-score-recap-aaron-civale-ivan-nova
Cleveland 10, Detroit 5: Starting pitching woes are stuck on repeat.
A meltdown inning by Ivan Nova doomed Detroit.
BYBTB

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...it-tigers-10-5-18-game-win-streak/3374556001/
Nova implosion lifts Indians to 18th win over Tigers, 10-5.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...it-tigers-score-cleveland-indians/5588353002/
Detroit Tigers lose 18th straight to Cleveland Indians, 10-5.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2020/08/tigers-indians-game-rewind.html
Indians thrash Tigers, win 18th straight in series: Box score, game rewind.
Mlive

 

[biggunsbob]

Are you saying he under preformed as a Tiger? You'd be so wrong. He also had nice postseason seasons with Detroit. Not just vs Texas. Check out Kershaw's post-season numbers, now that is underwhelming.

Miggy has struggled in his 2 World Series appearances. He is stellar in Alcs. Pretty good in Alds and Nlds. Clayton can’t seem to do anything right in the postseason. A shame something always went wrong for the Tigers from 2006 to 2015 when we made it to the postseason. So close but so far from a title.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cabremi01.shtml

 

[biggunsbob]

What were your expectations? This team wasn't just going to win something. Its fortunate they're just playing the central. But no Twins or Cubs yet. At months end they're be fighting for last place with KC.

It?s a 60 game sprint. Show at least that you care about winning. There is no reason to hold kids who are decent in Toledo doing simulation games against shit competition when your staff is this bad. That 9-7 start should have been 11-5 or better against Kansas City, Pittsburgh and the Reds. Who knows with expanded playoffs maybe you get lucky. Now I agree it?s a long shot but this is one really bad rotation Al has trotted out there.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm perfectly fine with how they are protecting the top prospects.

This is an article that KC posted a few days ago. Some good points IMO

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2020/08/11/being-wise-about-mize/

 

[gotime909]

I'm not a fan of teams holding back players that are clearly better than the current crop strictly for money reasons. You know who else doesn't like it? The players

 

[Mitchrapp]

It?s a 60 game sprint. Show at least that you care about winning. There is no reason to hold kids who are decent in Toledo doing simulation games against shit competition when your staff is this bad. That 9-7 start should have been 11-5 or better against Kansas City, Pittsburgh and the Reds. Who knows with expanded playoffs maybe you get lucky. Now I agree it?s a long shot but this is one really bad rotation Al has trotted out there.

Its all about control. Why bring them out now in a worthless season.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not a fan of teams holding back players that are clearly better than the current crop strictly for money reasons. You know who else doesn't like it? The players

You know who does like it, the organization.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

You know who does like it, the organization.

The worse they are the better the draft pick I guess. Does wonders for the fan base though. We are at almost six years of futility now. 06-14 was a nice little run of competitiveness but asking a fanbase to wait nearly as long to field a competitor is a bit much.

 

[gotime909]

You know who does like it, the organization.

Probably why players have always lined up to come to Detroit

 

[Mitchrapp]

Probably why players have always lined up to come to Detroit

Detroit isn't the only Organization that does that. Its a 50-50 thing. The team doesn't want players leaving early and the players will leave early because of it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And to be fair I rather have all the 21's and 22's up as well. But not my choice.