Torii Hunter, five-time All-Star and nine-time Gold Glove winner, retiring

[Mitchrapp]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13980957/five-all-star-torii-hunter-minnesota-twins-retire

Good ballplayer.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I was gonna post this.

Most of you thinks he comes up short of HOF.

Maybe a little, I guess.

We'll see.

 

[Rebbiv]

I was gonna post this.

Most of you thinks he comes up short of HOF.

Maybe a little, I guess.

We'll see.

If Lou Whitaker can't get in, then neither will Torii. They have very similar stats where Whitaker played a more non-offensive position.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I won't go back to where I think Lou and Tram should be in but I think it hurts Lou that he is a quiet guy. Plays the game and that's it, no drama. With that being said I think Torii comes up short but does better than Lou.

 

[byco42]

Top ten Tigers in WAR
1. Cobb
2. Kaline
3. Gehringer
4. Whitaker
5. Trammell
6. Heilmann
7. Crawford
8. Newhouser
9. Greenberg
10. Cash

7 of 10 are in the HOF and it should be 9 of 10.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I didn't know they even calculated WAR back in the days of Ty Cobb.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I didn't know they even calculated WAR back in the days of Ty Cobb.

They didn't but easy enough to calculate based on his numbers, on offense. Not sure how they did the defensive war. That's much harder to calculate on someone 90-100 years ago.

 

[byco42]

I didn't know they even calculated WAR back in the days of Ty Cobb.

WAR is a runs-based counting stat, so it's easy to retro-calculate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They didn't but easy enough to calculate based on his numbers, on offense. Not sure how they did the defensive war. That's much harder to calculate on someone 90-100 years ago.

I was kidding.

Here are some defensive stats on Cobb.

Since WAR is calculated on whatever who is calculating it wants to calculate it on, I'm sure a person could come up with a formula using these.

 

[tinselwolverine]

WAR is a runs-based counting stat, so it's easy to retro-calculate.

Yes, it was a joke.

Wasn't it FUNNY?

Although my understanding is that WAR is not a real stat in the eyes of the MLB and the various sabergeek squads who calculate it calculate it differently.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yes, it was a joke.

Wasn't it FUNNY?

Although my understanding is that WAR is not a real stat in the eyes of the MLB and the various sabergeek squads who calculate it calculate it differently.

Too much wrong with it. Just like the new QBR in the NFL where a QB's QBR goes down on every sack whether it's their fault or not.

Joke, eh? Okay.

:cheers:

 

[Rebbiv]

Actually, as a stats guy, I find WAR as one of the worst stats. While all stats have some issue or bias that can be mitigate, WAR has a lot of issues in my opinion.

 

[byco42]

Actually, as a stats guy, I find WAR as one of the worst stats. While all stats have some issue or bias that can be mitigate, WAR has a lot of issues in my opinion.

Maybe it does, but Whitaker and Trammell are bracketed in that stat by a lot of outstanding Tigers

 

[Rebbiv]

Maybe it does, but Whitaker and Trammell are bracketed in that stat by a lot of outstanding Tigers

There are plenty of other metrics that bode well for Whitaker and Trammell, especially relative to their positional peers.


One thing to consider, is the context it is being used, WAR is a counting stat. So it makes sense that the more years a player has with an organization, the higher the stat.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2020/0...cism-in-boston-sadness-over-george-floyd.html
Ex-Tigers OF Torii Hunter details racism in Boston, sadness over George Floyd.
Mlive

https://theathletic.com/1849574/202...merican-mlb-players-on-race-baseball-america/
A conversation: Retired African American MLB players on race, baseball, America.
The Athletic

The panelists included:

? Glanville, a nine-year major-league veteran who works for a variety of media outlets in addition to The Athletic and serves both on the Connecticut Police Officer Standards and Training Council (POST) and Connecticut State Advisory Committee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

? Jimmy Rollins, a three-time All-Star, four-time Gold Glove winner and former National League MVP who now works as a studio analyst for TBS and broadcaster for the Phillies.

? Ryan Howard, a three-time All-Star and former NL MVP and Rookie of the Year who spent last season as a studio analyst for ESPN before leaving to focus on his business endeavors, including his sports investment firm, SeventySix Capital.

? Dontrelle Willis, a two-time All-Star and former Rookie of the Year who works as a studio analyst for Fox Sports.

? Torii Hunter, a five-time All-Star and nine-time Gold Glove winner who works as a special assistant to baseball operations for the Twins.

? LaTroy Hawkins, a 21-year major leaguer who works as a special assistant to baseball operations for the Twins.

The interview has been edited slightly for length and clarity.

 

[biggunsbob]

I think Lou should be in over Hunter . Norm Cash has close stats with Hunter.

Cash

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cashno01.shtml

Hunter

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hunteto01.shtml


Whitaker

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/whitalo01.shtml