Trade Deadline Priorities

[tomdalton22]

Let's face it....this team (as it is now) isn't a contender for the AL....they will be lucky to win the Central. What are the priorities in your opinion? I think the #1 is another quality starter...#2 type. This team isn't going anywhere with this starting staff. Everbody after JV has an era over 4.3..pathetic! Second is a quality middle infielder...2B preferably but JP has been pretty bad this year...not sure if he can't play 2B if the Tigers can get a good SS. 3rd is a corner OF bat...no explanation needed! Signing Prince was the biggest mistake this organization has made in years and it's evident with all of the holes in the line up (5-9). Mr I and DD over reacted after V-Mart's injury IMO.

 

[deathroh]

I agree the rotation is too much of a question mark right now, but I'd give Turner a few starts before trading for another SP. Of course that could lead to a bigger trade with him as the chip, but if they can find 4 solid starters out of the current group - and if he's one and they only have to find 3 out of the current rotation that should be possible - they should be fine if they get to the playoffs.

Of course getting there may take some other moves as you've mentioned, which is pretty sad.

 

[papacrick]

I can live with Ramon at 2nd because its a weak position although it would be nice to have that kid from Houston. Replacing Boesch should be the top priority right now. He is currently the worse everyday player in MLB and he plays a position that demands at least some power if not an average glove as well. He possesses none such skills and it's time to find a Carlos Quentin type player

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think you're under valuing the pitching staff. Not sure what Fister is going through but he'll get it sorta out and Max is a nice 3, most teams IMO don't have a 3 like Max. I would not be opposed to adding a guy, 3 or 4 type maybe. But I don't see SP a top priority though.

A COF would do wonders. I think BB needs some time in Toledo. I don't want him gone forever but a few weeks in AAA would do nicely. But if Dirks comes back, a OF of AJ, Dirks and Berry I'd be fine with.

I'm okay with Santiago at 2b. So I wouldn't mind getting a one year rental DH who can mash. Bat him 5th.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think you're under valuing the pitching staff. Not sure what Fister is going through but he'll get it sorta out and Max is a nice 3, most teams IMO don't have a 3 like Max. I would not be opposed to adding a guy, 3 or 4 type maybe. But I don't see SP a top priority though.

A COF would do wonders. I think BB needs some time in Toledo. I don't want him gone forever but a few weeks in AAA would do nicely. But if Dirks comes back, a OF of AJ, Dirks and Berry I'd be fine with.

I'm okay with Santiago at 2b. So I wouldn't mind getting a one year rental DH who can mash. Bat him 5th.

I don't think I am under valuing the pitching staff. Fister is a nice 3 or a bad #2. Max is not a good #3 but I would consider him a good #4. His career era is 4.06 and this season it is 4.98. If you want the Tigers to contend (for a WS) they need a another starter that is better than Fister.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't think I am under valuing the pitching staff. Fister is a nice 3 or a bad #2. Max is not a good #3 but I would consider him a good #4. His career era is 4.06 and this season it is 4.98. If you want the Tigers to contend (for a WS) they need a another starter that is better than Fister.

Fister is a hell of a 2 unless you forgot what he did these past 15 months in Seattle and Detroit. 2 rough starts doesn't change that. And Max could be a nice 3, have you seen other 3's with the other 29 teams? Some of them wish they had a Max as their 3.

It's certainly not a priority. You're being short sighted.

 

[spockmaster]

our pitching is far from a priority. despite some hiccups from a few people, our pitching staff is tied for 2nd most WAR in baseball so far this year with the Nats behind the Rangers. We have the 2nd best K rate behind the Brewers, a walk rate under 3/9ip, the 5th best FIP in baseball at 3.71, and the third best xFIP at 3.74. Though they can be inconsistent at times, our top 4 starters are all capable of shutting down any team at any time. Scherzer and Porcello have been really good lately and Fister should get better. He might still be hurting a bit, in which case the ASB will do him good.


What we DO need, and badly, are corner outfielders and a DH (2nd baseman too, though if santiago can play to replacement level its not as important). Boesch is bar none the WORST every-day player in baseball this year. every second he plays, he hurts the team. young is nearly as bad, and with dirks being out (and likely not starter material when not hot given his free-swinging ways) and berry more of a good 4th outfielder type, we need 2 starting corner OFs and a DH...BADLY. this team is supposed to be a station-to-station homer bashing team and its just not working. it needs to be fixed. how, i really have no idea...corner OFs dont grow on trees and neither of the most-tossed-around names in Quentin and Soriano are likely to be the answer.



tl;dr - we need OFs and a DH, not another starter.


edit: also, lols for using ERA to judge pitchers, especially with our pathetic defense (which we should also try to improve somehow).

 

[biggunsbob]

There are some very concerning issues with Fister... His fast ball his dipped big time. I am worried that he is still pitching a tad hurt... I agree with SM we need to get BB the hell out of right field.. I don't think RS is a everyday player so a second basemen would be nice.. We are going to need a SP... I guess Carlos Quentin fits the bill for dh/of

 

[tomdalton22]

our pitching is far from a priority. despite some hiccups from a few people, our pitching staff is tied for 2nd most WAR in baseball so far this year with the Nats behind the Rangers. We have the 2nd best K rate behind the Brewers, a walk rate under 3/9ip, the 5th best FIP in baseball at 3.71, and the third best xFIP at 3.74. Though they can be inconsistent at times, our top 4 starters are all capable of shutting down any team at any time. Scherzer and Porcello have been really good lately and Fister should get better. He might still be hurting a bit, in which case the ASB will do him good.


What we DO need, and badly, are corner outfielders and a DH (2nd baseman too, though if santiago can play to replacement level its not as important). Boesch is bar none the WORST every-day player in baseball this year. every second he plays, he hurts the team. young is nearly as bad, and with dirks being out (and likely not starter material when not hot given his free-swinging ways) and berry more of a good 4th outfielder type, we need 2 starting corner OFs and a DH...BADLY. this team is supposed to be a station-to-station homer bashing team and its just not working. it needs to be fixed. how, i really have no idea...corner OFs dont grow on trees and neither of the most-tossed-around names in Quentin and Soriano are likely to be the answer.



tl;dr - we need OFs and a DH, not another starter.


edit: also, lols for using ERA to judge pitchers, especially with our pathetic defense (which we should also try to improve somehow).

So era isn't a good stat because the defense is bad. The biggest problem with the defense is the infield defense. The corner IF are not going anywhere and I doubt Peralta is either. I agree that BB and DY are terrible but infield defense is more important than OF defense. As far as the starting pitching....you throw out a bunch of stats that say they are good but what I see is very inconsistant starting pitching and none of them outside JV impresses me at all. This team is not going to win a WS with JV, Fister, Max and Rick.

 

[spockmaster]

my main point is that we have an even smaller chance to win anything at all with this pathetic offense than with our (overall pretty darn good) pitching.

 

[tomdalton22]

my main point is that we have an even smaller chance to win anything at all with this pathetic offense than with our (overall pretty darn good) pitching.

I agree with you about the pathetic offense. Bottom line is this team is not put together very well. Signing Prince may have been the dumbest move the front office has done in recent memory. It was a huge over reaction to V Mart's injury. They had 5 other holes to fill and they replaced the DH.....stupid!

 

[spockmaster]

i bet you most of that is on illitch. he has a LOT of pull, and when vmart went down he wanted prince.

 

[tomdalton22]

i bet you most of that is on illitch. he has a LOT of pull, and when vmart went down he wanted prince.

I think you are right. I'll bet if Illich gave DD a blank check for $200 million at the start of free agency DD wouldn't have spent it on Prince!

 

[kingofdetroit57]

We need another good to great starter, a 2B, and a corner OF. I'd be thrilled if we could address any two of those holes.

 

[Thumb]

Starting pitching is not a top priority, and neither is a second baseman.

Second base is not a high production spot unless it Cano, what we need are Corner OF'ers who produce, Berry is not a solution unless we also get a RF who hits well and a DH.

Second base is more of an offseason priority, whats killing us is the next to 0 production from the Corner OF's.

And Starting pitching is not why we're not winning more, it's because we don't score enough runs, not saying I'd say no to a vet starter, but it'd definately not #1 priority.

 

[Thumb]

I agree with you about the pathetic offense. Bottom line is this team is not put together very well. Signing Prince may have been the dumbest move the front office has done in recent memory. It was a huge over reaction to V Mart's injury. They had 5 other holes to fill and they replaced the DH.....stupid!

There were no decent second basemen out there, unless you wanted Jamey Carroll. Kelly Johnson would have been nice but he never became a FA.

Corner OF what somewhat limited too, and we had every reason to think Boesch would be serviceable, and even perhaps Young.

The only significant holes we had at the start of the season were in the 5th starter spot, bullpen, and DH.

Calling the Prince signing dumb is easy after you waited to see how it played out, let's not pretend like you knew it all along.

And if it's a bad signing it's only because we might have trouble re-signing Cabrera or Verlander later because of Princes contract.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't see guys like JV and Miguel not being with Tigers unless its end of career, one last season with someone else. Detroit might not want 140m each and every year but they're not Tampa or Pittsburgh. They can afford to have a hefty cap.

 

[Thumb]

I don't see guys like JV and Miguel not being with Tigers unless its end of career, one last season with someone else. Detroit might not want 140m each and every year but they're not Tampa or Pittsburgh. They can afford to have a hefty cap.

The problem really becomes if someone wants Cabrera or Verlander bad they might toss gigantic contracts at them that we cant counter without crippling the rest of the roster.

Cabrera probably easily becomes the highest paid player in baseball when he hit's FA. In the neighborhood of 28-30 mil per for 8-10 year probably. you decide to pay that coupled with Fielders and Verlanders contracts and you might realize their is a limit to what teams will spend compared to what they earn.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The problem really becomes if someone wants Cabrera or Verlander bad they might toss gigantic contracts at them that we cant counter without crippling the rest of the roster.

Cabrera probably easily becomes the highest paid player in baseball when he hit's FA. In the neighborhood of 28-30 mil per for 8-10 year probably. you decide to pay that coupled with Fielders and Verlanders contracts and you might realize their is a limit to what teams will spend compared to what they earn.

Yeah but can you really let Miguel go?

 

[Thumb]

Yeah but can you really let Miguel go?

No, and that's what I meant by maybe Princes signing hurts us, as opposed to what the OP said.