Trump - Putin Joint Press Conference

[tinselwolverine]

So let's see what the fake news media is going to make of all this...

 

[tinselwolverine]

Did anybody besides me see this?

Immediate reaction is that Democrats seem outraged with Trump; Republicans seem to be "disappointed..."

 

[Gulo Blue]

Did anybody besides me see this?

Immediate reaction is that Democrats seem outraged with Trump; Republicans seem to be "disappointed..."

Gamesmanship Tinsel. Making the other guy wait is step one.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-keeps-trump-waiting-arrives-late-for-meeting

 

[Gulo Blue]

Reaction from the left or right?

There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world. That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence. The president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally. There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals. The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy.

highlight text for answer: that's from Paul Ryan

 

[tinselwolverine]

Reaction from the left or right?
highlight text for answer: that's from Paul Ryan

I was going to say Bob Corker; just heard him saying something similar; and McCain was quoted as saying something similar too.

 

[Michchamp]

I didn't know this even happened, but logged into my twitter account.

I guess I would characterize Democrats (ie elected representatives), and more centrist
DC figures associated with them as very upset with Trump, with opinions that range from "completely hysterical" to "angry and/or disappointed"

Republicans are less upset, with reactions ranging from "angry" to "disappointed."

I guess using the sometime argument standard of "whoever gets upset is branded 'shrill' and loses," the Democrats are shrill, and the Republicans win.

although the reaction from the socialists and Bernie supporters I follow (though not Bernie himself) was like "LOL, who cares? WTF did you expect Trump would say??"

I don't know what Trump said, nor do I care. I gather it had something to do with the alleged interference in our 2016 election.

Not the first time a foreign government has interfered in our elections, nor even the worst. And we certainly do it in other countries, and are a lot more violent and destabilizing when we do it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Really, it's all Obama's fault for not rigging Russian elections first.

 

[Spartanmack]

Really, it's all Obama's fault for not successfully rigging Russian elections first.

fixed it for you...

 

[biggunsbob]

Trump is a traitor to America . I bet he gave his handler Putin all of our codes also today. Heck he believes Killer Putin over his own investigating agencies . Trump should be tried for treason and so should any politician who supports him. Trump is a flat out embarrassment and it is a joke all of the support he gets. If any sitting democratic leader had done this there would have been hell to pay from the right. Trump is a disgrace. At least some GOP members are not condoning this but he needs to be impeached before its to late. Trump is getting so played by the Putin and the Russian intelligence it is not even funny.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Trump is a traitor to America . I bet he gave his handler Putin all of our codes also today. Heck he believes Killer Putin over his own investigating agencies . Trump should be tried for treason and so should any politician who supports him. Trump is a flat out embarrassment and it is a joke all of the support he gets. If any sitting democratic leader had done this there would have been hell to pay from the right. Trump is a disgrace. At least some GOP members are condoning this but he needs to be impeached before its to late. Trump is getting so played by the Putin and the Russian intelligence it is not even funny.

From the context I think what you mean is "condemning."

 

[biggunsbob]

From the context I think what you mean is "condemning."

That was fast. Give me a shot to edit lol..

 

[biggunsbob]

Guess we should believe everything Putin says . I am sure Trump does . Trump was so out maneuvered by Putin it is not even funny . Will any GOP politician stand up to Trump now. Trump should be impeached .

 

[tinselwolverine]

That was fast. Give me a shot to edit lol..

I wasn't taking a swipe at you - just wanted to make sure people got your meaning.

To be fair regarding your comment in post #12, every Republican I heard responding was critical of Trump - that said, I didn't hear anything from anyone in the administration though.

 

[biggunsbob]

I wasn't taking a swipe at you - just wanted to make sure people got your meaning.

To be fair regarding your comment in post #12, every Republican I heard responding was critical of Trump - that said, I didn't hear anything from anyone in the administration though.

I know it wasn’t a swipe. I give any person who wants to correct my mistakes the right to do so . I am sure everyone knows my meanings .

I type so fast in my phone and tablet that I make mistakes all the time and think hit enter before i proof read. I am so furious with how Trump acted in Helsinki . If any sitting democratic president had done this .. omg the shit storm from the right . I know they are but it’s all words right now. Will there be any action. Like on the other thread heck maybe nut Pence is way better then Trump . We need to get Trump out of office fast . My eyes are seeing red right now. Bush and Cheney were beyond bad and corrupt but Trump is on a whole different level then that Administration.

 

[JScottWriter]

I wasn't taking a swipe at you - just wanted to make sure people got your meaning.

To be fair regarding your comment in post #12, every Republican I heard responding was critical of Trump - that said, I didn't hear anything from anyone in the administration though.

Pence praised him as a strong leader.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I know it wasn?t a swipe. I type so fast in my phone and tablet that I make mistakes all the time and think hit enter before i proof read. I am so furious with how Trump acted in Helsinki . If any sitting democratic president had done this .. omg the shit storm from the right .
I know they are but it?s all words right now. Will there be any action. Like on the other thread heck maybe nut Pence is way better then Trump . We need to get Trump out of office fast .

Today's conference is probably not going to be good for the Republicans in the mid-term elections, just over three months away.

I don't know if the Democrats will take back the House but almost always the party out of the White House gains seats during the mid-term; and a number of Republicans are already not seeking re-election.

I don't think a Republican majority would impeach Trump based on what's known so far; maybe a Democratic majority would, I guess we'll see.

I don't recall ever seeing the condemnation of a president by members of his own party - take that back, I guess it happened with Nixon - that I've seen today; certainly not about a one day event like today, though.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Pence praised him as a strong leader.

That was to be expected.

He's part of the administration - even though technically he's also in the Congress - anyways, that's the first response from anybody in the administration.

I would imagine those in the administration will be a little more supportive of Trump the people not in the administration.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

 

[Gulo Blue]

I haven't seen people elsewhere drawing comparisons to Bush. I can see why someone might remember the "looked into his eyes" bit. Here's more of that quote in case anyone wants to head in that direction.

"When I looked into his eyes and saw his soul, Russia was broke. I mean, short-term broke. And ah, the price of oil goes up and Putin changed," Bush told Fox Business anchor Maria Bartiromo about his previous interactions with Putin.
"Look, he's a very smart tactician. The problem is, his whole attitude on most issues is 'I'm going to win and U.S. is going to lose,'" Bush added. "He is a very aggressive person who wants to reinstate Soviet influence even though the Soviet no longer exists and therefore, I always felt it was always very important for the United States to be very forceful in dealing with Putin. Not belligerent, but forceful."

 

[Michchamp]

I haven't seen people elsewhere drawing comparisons to Bush. I can see why someone might remember the "looked into his eyes" bit. Here's more of that quote in case anyone wants to head in that direction.

His narrative ignores the US's active involvement in the rise of Boris Yeltsin & the rampant corruption of 1990's Russia and former Soviet states.

Putin's regime was largely a response to that. if the Russkies are going to have rampant, corrupt, laissez faire economics, (like we do here!) they want to be the ones keeping all of it.

Putin is somewhat similar to Trump in that regard: he's a reaction to neo-liberal, free-trade economic ruin that gutted the domestic middle and working classes... except Putin is not a complete jackass and a total buffoon.

To me though, the Russian situation is typical of every other foreign policy disaster we've been involved in. and those in our government, media, and "think tanks" responsible for it never bear any consequences, and indeed stay in power.