Um vs NU

[biggunsbob]

I am tired of missing out on the NCAA every few years.. It should never happen at a university like Michigan .. Maybe 1 out of twenty years but this is really getting ridicules how many season we have missed since the 90's..

 

[dubbsco]

They missed once since 09. It happens to every team. Hell, Kentucky missed a few years ago, Carolina has missed.

I agree it sucks, but I don't care how strong your program is, losing your top 7 players to the draft/injury in two years is crippling.

 

[biggunsbob]

Not good enough after the darkness of the fab 5.. Michigan needs to put a 15-20 year run together ...

 

[biggunsbob]

I just do not think it would happen as much under JB if he didn't go after so many project guys.. I know what he is doing is working to a certain extent.. But You can see what a few injuries does to that plan.. There was just no depth this year.

 

[UMRules06]

Any team is going to struggle when you lose that much talent to the NBA, and your top guys coming back ALL get hurt. Just a forgettable season, but Beilein has proven to me that he can turn things around. Like others have said, you're going to have a hiccup of a season every now and again.

One year to me is a blip...if we miss next year then its more like a trend and then i'll start to reconsider.

 

[thewolverines24]

They missed once since 09. It happens to every team. Hell, Kentucky missed a few years ago, Carolina has missed.

I agree it sucks, but I don't care how strong your program is, losing your top 7 players to the draft/injury in two years is crippling.

Missed twice since '09. I'm including this year.

Great improvement from where the program was before JB. It is still disappointing to miss the tourney. It always is. My main concern is being in this exact same spot next year.

 

[UMRules06]

Not good enough after the darkness of the fab 5.. Michigan needs to put a 15-20 year run together ...

Teams that have made 15 or more consecutive NCAA tournaments:


Rank School Appearances Head Coach(es)
1 North Carolina 27 (1975?2001) Dean Smith (23), Bill Guthridge (3), Matt Doherty (1)
2 Kansas 25 (1990?2014) Roy Williams (14), Bill Self (11)
3 Duke 19 (1996?2014) Mike Krzyzewski
3 Indiana 19 (1985?2003) Bob Knight (15), Mike Davis (3)
5 Michigan State 17 (1998?2014) Tom Izzo
5 Kentucky 17 (1992?2008) Rick Pitino (6), Tubby Smith (10), Billy Gillispie (1)
7 Wisconsin 16 (1999?2014) Dick Bennett (2), Brad Soderberg (1), Bo Ryan (13)
7 Gonzaga 16 (1999?2014) Dan Monson (1), Mark Few (15)
9 UCLA 15 (1967?1981) John Wooden (9), Gene Bartow (2), Gary Cunningham (2), Larry Brown (2)

 

[dubbsco]

Bob, teams putting together 15-20 year runs is rare. That's why the Red Wings streak is so remarkable, being that consistently good for that long is so tough.

I get Syracuse removed themselves from postseason play, but they were on the outside of the bubble. Pittsburgh (who I have this strange affinity of picking to go far every year) is a staple of March Madness, but they aren't making it. It happens to everyone.

And to your point Wolverines, every year is a single entity. I truly don't believe in build up for NIT, NCAA runs for the next season. You never know who will step up, who will get hurt, etc... We will have zero clue on how they will perform until like September when we know who the roster is. They do need to land a big recruit, but I'm excited about their potential.

 

[deathroh]

I just do not think it would happen as much under JB if he didn't go after so many project guys.. I know what he is doing is working to a certain extent.. But You can see what a few injuries does to that plan.. There was just no depth this year.

Do you honestly think any program outside of Kentucky could unexpectedly lose their 4 or 5 best players (counting Stauskus, Robinson, Levert, Walton; you could argue that McGary was viewed as a 2-year guy coming in) and not struggle? Shit, I'd argue that most teams would fare much worse than UM has.

And I think you're a little misguided about Beilein going after projects. He did not "go after" MAAR and Dawkins. They were plan Z's that have somehow turned into solid players as true freshmen. I can see calling the big men projects, and obviously Chatman (though he was rated just as highly as McGary coming out), but the plan was to supplement them with highly rated guys like Devin Booker, Bates-Diop, JaSean Tate among others. Sure, you could complain that we missed out on them, but it's not like he hasn't tried to attract top talent.

 

[thewolverines24]

We need one more piece for next season and I'll be optimistic. I think LeVert heads to the NBA so we need someone like Jaylen Brown to come in and average double digits as a freshman. The offense has struggled too much this year to not see that they need another weapon on that end.

We also need Dakich and Lonergan to play zero minutes outside of garbage time next season.

 

[hailhail]

Do you honestly think any program outside of Kentucky could unexpectedly lose their 4 or 5 best players (counting Stauskus, Robinson, Levert, Walton; you could argue that McGary was viewed as a 2-year guy coming in) and not struggle? Shit, I'd argue that most teams would fare much worse than UM has.

And I think you're a little misguided about Beilein going after projects. He did not "go after" MAAR and Dawkins. They were plan Z's that have somehow turned into solid players as true freshmen. I can see calling the big men projects, and obviously Chatman (though he was rated just as highly as McGary coming out), but the plan was to supplement them with highly rated guys like Devin Booker, Bates-Diop, JaSean Tate among others. Sure, you could complain that we missed out on them, but it's not like he hasn't tried to attract top talent.

Thank you. Not to mention this team has been fun as hell to watch, and we basically have four guys who can play the 1-4 spot. I'm not sure how anyone can be anything less than "proud" of this team (as dumb as that sounds).

 

[dubbsco]

I wouldn't exactly call this year "fun" to watch. It's been more of a "want to rip my hair out" from watching this team season. I don't have enough fingers to count how many times I've seen the following graphic on the screen:

Michigan Wolverines FG drought: insert number between 5-10 minutes.

I'm very proud of the effort that they put on the court. But I'm disappointed in their inability to close out games or not choke. The offensive scheme unfortunately has turned into something from the Amaker days of passing around the perimeter for 25-30 seconds and then doing something. I understand it's due to personnel, but it's still been painful to watch.

 

[thewolverines24]

I wouldn't exactly call this year "fun" to watch. It's been more of a "want to rip my hair out" from watching this team season. I don't have enough fingers to count how many times I've seen the following graphic on the screen:

Michigan Wolverines FG drought: insert number between 5-10 minutes.

I'm very proud of the effort that they put on the court. But I'm disappointed in their inability to close out games or not choke. The offensive scheme unfortunately has turned into something from the Amaker days of passing around the perimeter for 25-30 seconds and then doing something. I understand it's due to personnel, but it's still been painful to watch.

This.

I believe we are all very proud of the effort these players have put in, but this hasn't been fun. The patented drought is awful to watch. The consistent struggles with just getting the ball in bounds is infuriating and so is getting destroyed on the glass.

Hopefully next year is much better and it is fun for the players and the fans again.

 

[hailhail]

I wouldn't exactly call this year "fun" to watch. It's been more of a "want to rip my hair out" from watching this team season. I don't have enough fingers to count how many times I've seen the following graphic on the screen:

Michigan Wolverines FG drought: insert number between 5-10 minutes.

I'm very proud of the effort that they put on the court. But I'm disappointed in their inability to close out games or not choke. The offensive scheme unfortunately has turned into something from the Amaker days of passing around the perimeter for 25-30 seconds and then doing something. I understand it's due to personnel, but it's still been painful to watch.

I guess I mean they've kept games close and have exerted an incredible amount of effort even when everyone counted them out. Plus, I've absolutely loved watching MAAR and Dawkins grow up so quickly. Contrast them with, say, the football team that died on the field approximately 6 Saturdays last fall. So I'll amend my statement: I, personally, have had a lot of fun watching this team.

Also, don't you dare compare this offense to a Tommy Amaker O!

 

[dubbsco]

I think the fun is more in seeing the kids get playing time and developing. I'm enjoying that.

But the end product has been far from enjoyable.

And I'm sorry, I don't know if that's a product of the NCAA's horrible system bogging the game down, or just what the team is, but it's been comparable this year. I haven't seen nearly as many back door cuts, or breaking down defenses with quick cuts through the lane. It's likely a product of not having anyone being able to break down a D, but it's been bad.

The shot clock needs to come down. 35 seconds is WAY too long.

 

[biggunsbob]

Do you honestly think any program outside of Kentucky could unexpectedly lose their 4 or 5 best players (counting Stauskus, Robinson, Levert, Walton; you could argue that McGary was viewed as a 2-year guy coming in) and not struggle? Shit, I'd argue that most teams would fare much worse than UM has.

And I think you're a little misguided about Beilein going after projects. He did not "go after" MAAR and Dawkins. They were plan Z's that have somehow turned into solid players as true freshmen. I can see calling the big men projects, and obviously Chatman (though he was rated just as highly as McGary coming out), but the plan was to supplement them with highly rated guys like Devin Booker, Bates-Diop, JaSean Tate among others. Sure, you could complain that we missed out on them, but it's not like he hasn't tried to attract top talent.

Pretty Sure Dawkins was a late signing.. Look I like some of the youth but they should not be struggling to in bounds balls this late in a season.. These freshmen have played over 20+ games now. it is beyond ridicules .. We need difference makers not guys that take 2 to 3 years... Maybe next year.. Hopefully JB will land someone big...

 

[biggunsbob]

I think the fun is more in seeing the kids get playing time and developing. I'm enjoying that.

But the end product has been far from enjoyable.

And I'm sorry, I don't know if that's a product of the NCAA's horrible system bogging the game down, or just what the team is, but it's been comparable this year. I haven't seen nearly as many back door cuts, or breaking down defenses with quick cuts through the lane. It's likely a product of not having anyone being able to break down a D, but it's been bad.

The shot clock needs to come down. 35 seconds is WAY too long.

I agree with you..

 

[deathroh]

..they should not be struggling to in bounds balls this late in a season..QUOTE]

That's been an issue for as long as Beilein has been here. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over some of the philosophical things such as the 2-foul auto bench and not fouling when down 3, but I have no idea how a coach as good as Beilein can so consistently have teams that struggle to get the ball in bounds. Drives me nuts

 

[dubbsco]

Well when your inbounder is 6 ft nothing, and he's your best FT shooter, that's a problem. Put in Chatman, he's long, lanky, and he can run the baseline much quicker than Spike. He can see over defenders. I don't understand why he continues to use Spike.

 

[deathroh]

Well when your inbounder is 6 ft nothing, and he's your best FT shooter, that's a problem. Put in Chatman, he's long, lanky, and he can run the baseline much quicker than Spike. He can see over defenders. I don't understand why he continues to use Spike.

I agree that it's odd having such a short guy inbound, but based on what I've seen from Chatman he's about the last guy I'd want with the ball in his hands in a tight situation. Plus he rarely plays anyway. I'd probably think about Irvin, but you have to assume he's tried out different options in practice.