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Warner has a point

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http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/10/detroit_lions_qb_matthew_staff_3.html

By Anwar Richardson

Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford was criticized by former NFL quarterback Kurt Warner for his inability to make short throws.

During an interview by Kara Henderson on the NFL Network, Warner was asked why Detroit's offense has declined. Warner pointed the finger at Stafford, blaming his inability to make underneath throws as the reason for Detroit's offensive struggles.

Here is what Warner said:

"I'm not so sure, Kara, the offense is declining, but I think people have figured out the flaw of this football team. If you look at them over the course of the first five weeks, this is a team that is built on the big play. It's built on the big arm of Matthew Stafford. It's built on throwing that ball up and letting Calvin Johnson go get it. Now teams are forcing them to be more consistent, forcing Matthew Stafford to make the consistent underneath throws, and that's where he has struggled up to this point. You see over the last few weeks his completion percentage has gone way down. He struggles a little bit when he has to make the 10, 12-play drive, and the consistent throws time and time again. I don't know if they've digressed. I just think people are starting to figure them out, forcing them to do something they don't want to do."

Warner was also asked how Stafford could bounce back. Once again, Warner reiterated Stafford needed to improve his short throws:

"I think he just has to be more consistent underneath. The only way those big throws are going to continue to come is if he can force teams to attack him, to come up the field, to take away the underneath stuff. Then they can use the double moves. Then they can use the big throws down the field to Calvin Johnson, but if they can't do that, and they continue to struggle with that, I think they are going to struggle to get back on track and score a lot of points."
 
Stafford wasn't the most accurate guy at Georgia which is why he had so many doubters. Nobody doubted his arm strength. He has some work to do which all starts with his ability to stay on the field. For his sake hopefully he's ok because he can't afford to miss much more time out there. He's had a short start to his career and a VERY short off season this year. I don't doubt he can get better IF he stays upright but the guy needs reps. He's pretty inconsistent from down to down still it seems.
 
He has proven in the past he is capable of making the throws. Right now he just seems like he has lost some confidence.
 
Warner is right, but the WRs/TEs/RBs gotta get better at making these catches and the OL has to give better protection too. Burleson and Young haven't looked good lately, nor have the RBs and TEs on the screen passes. A lot of it is on Stafford, but he's far from the only one to blame.
 
SLICK said:
batcave76 said:
It would help if he had a TE that could catch.

Pettigrew has 109 rec in his last 23 games.....2nd among TE in the NFL trailing only Jason Witten.

stick to the Tiger Board , when you attempt to talk football you get smacked.
Recepts mean nothing if he's dropping every 3rd ball. Good lord, you should know this stuff by now.
 
batcave76 said:
SLICK said:
Pettigrew has 109 rec in his last 23 games.....2nd among TE in the NFL trailing only Jason Witten.

stick to the Tiger Board , when you attempt to talk football you get smacked.
Recepts mean nothing if he's dropping every 3rd ball. Good lord, you should know this stuff by now.


He's got 2 legit drops....comprehend what a legit drop is , to a bad throw , a throw with coverage draped all over you.

my god you're a dolt.
 
Jimmy Graham has a catch % rate of 68.

Pettigrew has a rate of 67.


seriously Im done smacking you , its to easy.
 
SLICK said:
batcave76 said:
Recepts mean nothing if he's dropping every 3rd ball. Good lord, you should know this stuff by now.


He's got 2 legit drops....comprehend what a legit drop is , to a bad throw , a throw with coverage draped all over you.

my god you're a dolt.
He seems to have brick hands. And you really shouldn't call posters names. It's unbecoming of you.
 
batcave76 said:
SLICK said:
He's got 2 legit drops....comprehend what a legit drop is , to a bad throw , a throw with coverage draped all over you.

my god you're a dolt.
He seems to have brick hands. And you really shouldn't call posters names. It's unbecoming of you.

67% catch rate for a TE....when the best in the NFL has a catch rate of 68%.

numbers dont lie.....run along now.
 
Hey slick if you have the numbers in front of you, what's Wittens catch rate? Just curious.
 
Beez said:
Hey slick if you have the numbers in front of you, what's Wittens catch rate? Just curious.

He is actually got a better rate then Graham....69%

but IMO Graham is the better TE in 2011

Graham has 14 more targets and Pettigrew 6 more then Witten.
 
SLICK said:
batcave76 said:
He seems to have brick hands. And you really shouldn't call posters names. It's unbecoming of you.

67% catch rate for a TE....when the best in the NFL has a catch rate of 68%.

numbers dont lie.....run along now.
I really couldn't care less. But this is your thing so..... The DOW is up over 350 points....have a nice day Slick.
 
batcave76 said:
SLICK said:
67% catch rate for a TE....when the best in the NFL has a catch rate of 68%.

numbers dont lie.....run along now.
I really couldn't care less. But this is your thing so..... The DOW is up over 350 points....have a nice day Slick.

ya..you piped into a thread where you had no clue what you were rambling on about and got smacked.....

by the way Pettigrew is 8th in the NFL in receptions.
 
SLICK said:
Beez said:
Hey slick if you have the numbers in front of you, what's Wittens catch rate? Just curious.

He is actually got a better rate then Graham....69%

but IMO Graham is the better TE in 2011

Definitely a more gifted athlete. Tough to say if he's a better TE because he plays in such a wide open offense and Brees has really locked in with him this year. That and I have no idea how good of a blocker he is, where (as a Dallas fan) I'm fully aware of Wittens ability in that department. I wouldn't argue it though, Graham is a freak athlete to be at that spot and OBVIOUSLY he can catch the rock. I had him as my #1 TE target in fantasy this year and snagged him up late. Just too big and fast to not get open in that great offensive scheme.
 
Beez said:
SLICK said:
He is actually got a better rate then Graham....69%

but IMO Graham is the better TE in 2011

Definitely a more gifted athlete. Tough to say if he's a better TE because he plays in such a wide open offense and Brees has really locked in with him this year. That and I have no idea how good of a blocker he is, where (as a Dallas fan) I'm fully aware of Wittens ability in that department. I wouldn't argue it though, Graham is a freak athlete to be at that spot and OBVIOUSLY he can catch the rock. I had him as my #1 TE target in fantasy this year and snagged him up late. Just too big and fast to not get open in that great offensive scheme.

oh it's apples and oranges....Witten , Gates , Graham , Clark , Pettigrew , Finley , Hernandez , Davis all really fine TEs.

anytime a TE has a catch rate up over 65% it's very very good.
 
Pettigrew may have only 2 legit drops but he doesn't get enough separation for my liking. He's a good tight end but I just wish he were a little faster. And with Best out now, the 2nd main focus after Calvin is on Pettigrew because nobody needs to worry about a RB in the flat. Oline isn't helping out Staffords mechanics off his back foot/sidearm from time to time and Burleson and Young have disappeared for a few weeks now.
 
Honestly other than being a fan of the team he plays for, I think I've always liked Witten because he's so good at finding soft spots in the coverage. He doesn't have the speed that some of these guys do to run away from people. I feel like that guy really has some solid football intelligence. Gates, Graham,Finley, Davis (especially), Hernandez...those guys could be terrible n still be good. lol Just the ability to run away from lb's n safeties at that size is remarkable. Not sure how fast Pettigrew or Clark is. I know Clarke's not a burner, I remember watching tape of him getting hawked from behind at Iowa all the time. What a great system he's been able to be apart of as well.

Tight Ends seemed like they were a rarity for awhile but now they're in the NFL by the handful. I think mostly because blocking as a TE is less of a necessity anymore. The threat of a TE that can kill you in the passing game is enough. As long as they can get in a guys way now and again, they can play.
 
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