Was Joe Pa treated appropriately?

[architect]

This is such a intricate and blurry situation. Between the moral issues, legalities, and heinous crimes, its very difficult to separate football, legacy, emotional response, and fact. While due process will hopefully clear everything up, how do you currently feel about the firing of Joe Paterno?

 

[TheVictors]

As a football fan, I'm saddened if you only view his "termination" in a vaccuum. Otherwise, as I stated from the outset of this story breaking, there was no other choice. And this is what the students rioting fail to grasp -- that Paterno simply had to go and had to be disassociated from the University, no matter all the good he did or how much money he raised. I guarantee there are former PSU players who would speak very highly of Sandusky too, prior to this past weekend anyways. For all the horrific things he did while on staff for Paterno as a Defensive Coordinator, etc, I'm sure there are some over the years who'd say great things about him as a mentor, father figure and coach.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Damn skippy he was.

 

[redandguilty]

Voting yes, because that's what it look like right now, but new information could change my mind.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Since he was one of many that never called the real authorities, THE POLICE, nothing will change my mind.

 

[redandguilty]

Mitch[/color]]Since he was one of many that never called the real authorities, THE POLICE, nothing will change my mind.

You didn't call the police either. Maybe I should blame you.

...and what I mean by that is that it matters that we get the full story of what Paterno knew.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He knew enough to contact the AD, why? And it wasn't just about the day he contacted the AD but what he did afterward, nothing.

 

[redandguilty]

Mitch[/color]]He knew enough to contact the AD, why? And it wasn't just about the day he contacted the AD but what he did afterward, nothing.

That question isn't rhetorical. We do need to know why he contacted the AD and what he was told was the outcome. If he wasn't told the full extent of things, if he was told it was horseplay, and if he was told the police would investigate, or did investigate and found nothing...maybe he was convinced by the "experts" he mentioned. It's all a stretch. Paterno probably knew enough and he failed to act so I clicked "yes", but sometimes stories change dramatically as the truth comes out. Maybe the AD and the finance guy intentionally deceived Paterno somehow.

 

[Mitchrapp]

[quote="Mitch":exd42oyh]He knew enough to contact the AD, why? And it wasn't just about the day he contacted the AD but what he did afterward, nothing.

That question isn't rhetorical. We do need to know why he contacted the AD and what he was told was the outcome. If he wasn't told the full extent of things, if he was told it was horseplay, and if he was told the police would investigate, or did investigate and found nothing...maybe he was convinced by the "experts" he mentioned. It's all a stretch. Paterno probably knew enough and he failed to act so I clicked "yes", but sometimes stories change dramatically as the truth comes out. Maybe the AD and the finance guy intentionally deceived Paterno somehow.[/quote:exd42oyh]

Do you really believe that? I'm not sure there is one college coach who has more influence, in the know, etc than Paterno. One who thought himself so powerful he could convince the board not to discuss a possible firing. And that bastard Sandusky was his friend, you just ignore that? It stinks. From Sandusky to the assistent to Paterno and all the rest. They fk'd up. Its called accountability. And they failed.

 

[beez]

Nope

 

[redandguilty]

Mitch[/color]]
[quote="Red and Guilty":k7p51ngs]

That question isn't rhetorical. We do need to know why he contacted the AD and what he was told was the outcome. If he wasn't told the full extent of things, if he was told it was horseplay, and if he was told the police would investigate, or did investigate and found nothing...maybe he was convinced by the "experts" he mentioned. It's all a stretch. Paterno probably knew enough and he failed to act so I clicked "yes", but sometimes stories change dramatically as the truth comes out. Maybe the AD and the finance guy intentionally deceived Paterno somehow.

Do you really believe that? I'm not sure there is one college coach who has more influence, in the know, etc than Paterno. One who thought himself so powerful he could convince the board not to discuss a possible firing. And that bastard Sandusky was his friend, you just ignore that? It stinks. From Sandusky to the assistent to Paterno and all the rest. They fk'd up. Its called accountability. And they failed. [/quote:k7p51ngs]

People have questioned how "in the know" Paterno was for years. No, I don't believe there's a good explanation for what Paterno did. The easiest explanation for why Paterno acts like this is all a big surprise is that he is lying. But it's also true that I don't know all the facts yet, and we've seen cases before where everyone is united in opinion over a clear cut case, but as the facts come out, they don't quite match up with the original story.

 

[johnny2x2x]

It was the right decision for Penn State University and for Penn State Football. Patertno on the sidelines Saturday would have done irreparable damage to their reputation.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nope

Powerful, lol.

 

[beez]

Mitch[/color]]

Nope

Powerful, lol.

I've wasted too much energy on the subject already. lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

Powerful, lol.

I've wasted too much energy on the subject already. lol

I getcha.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

If Joe Paterno wanted to cut Sandusky out of the program he could have easily done so. He had the power to do so. Instead, he allowed Sandusky to continue to be associated with the program long after the incident. A grown man does not "horeseplay" with a 10 year old naked in the shower. No way! No way! Honestly, who would not find that behavior extremely inappropriate and highly suspicious. He should have cut the guy off? If you were the parent of a kid that that happened to, would you let your kid continue to associate with the guy? Even if he was your "friend". After all we have learned over the recent years of how these sick bastards work. I would find it extremely difficult not to beat the hell out of him. This just sickens me. Kids have to be protected from these kinds of predators. And what are the students at Penn State thinking? Rioting? What the hell? Sick! I have trouble understanding that behavior too.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It does seem most of the "rioters" care more about Paterno's game that breaks Staggs total games than the wellfare of those kids. Sickening is right.

 

[architect]

Mitch[/color]]Since he was one of many that never called the real authorities, THE POLICE, nothing will change my mind.

One of the superiors he contacted was also the head of campus safety aka police.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]Since he was one of many that never called the real authorities, THE POLICE, nothing will change my mind.

One of the superiors he contacted was also the head of campus safety aka police.

Campus safety is not POLICE. THEY have authority on campus but for crime of this nature you dnt go to the campus safety. I'm sorry but that's assanine.

 

[newton83]

[quote="Mitch":1x9oqj6j]

Do you really believe that? I'm not sure there is one college coach who has more influence, in the know, etc than Paterno. One who thought himself so powerful he could convince the board not to discuss a possible firing. And that bastard Sandusky was his friend, you just ignore that? It stinks. From Sandusky to the assistent to Paterno and all the rest. They fk'd up. Its called accountability. And they failed.

People have questioned how "in the know" Paterno was for years. No, I don't believe there's a good explanation for what Paterno did. The easiest explanation for why Paterno acts like this is all a big surprise is that he is lying. But it's also true that I don't know all the facts yet, and we've seen cases before where everyone is united in opinion over a clear cut case, but as the facts come out, they don't quite match up with the original story.[/quote:1x9oqj6j]

The difference here is that we're not going off of whispers and gossip. We have grand jury testimony that plainly lays out the facts and corroborates all of the negative opinions of Paterno. We know enough facts to conclude that the old man failed to live up to moral obligations and had to be ousted. How out of touch is he that he thought coaching out the rest of the season would be acceptable?