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Wide spread election fraud 2020

This is my kind of deflection. You still sort of stayed on topic and did so without making a false statement really. Well done.

I don't know if there was fraud or not. I can't read anything that can convince me either way, but, then, I don't trust the media.

But to deny that elections are not "influenced" is suspension of reality.

Unless and until they are same-day affairs with only paper, hand-completed ballots, placed in boxes, counted with full disclosure, there will always be questions about election integrity.
 
just read my posts where I explain to you that thanks to private equity, Toys R Us was around 13 years longer than it would have been without it.

Sorry, I meant to respond to this bullshit before, but moving homes & xmas holiday stuff kept me from getting to it.

The Bloomberg article is garbage and Matt Levine is an idiot.

This isn't an argument and I don't know Matt Levine personally, but based solely on your posting history, I trust him - or any random stranger I might meet on the street - 1,000 times more than I trust you.

In 2004 I was working for a Retail/Consumer portfolio and I remember a bunch of sales people calling and telling us to buy Toys R Us. I told every one of them that the business was garbage and it wasn't going to be around in 5 years and they all said "forget about the toys business, it's a REIT on steroids" - the calls were coming out of their Real Estate not Retail analysts - they were valuing the business on the basis of it's real estate holdings, not it's operations. The thinking was TOY would restructure and close a shit ton of stores or shut down altogether and other big box retailers would be leasing all those stores. We still didn't like it - how many Toys R Us stores don't already have a Best Buy within 5 miles?

At the time, Toys R Us already had a massively bloated balance sheet with old, inefficient stores, antiquated systems, a terrible online shopping experience and no products other than toys. They did have Babies R Us but that business was getting hit by Buy Buy Baby (which, as a part of Bed, Bath & Beyond is essentially now also bankrupt thanks to Amazon). They had a business model that relied on about 30 days between Thanksgiving and Christmas to turn a profit because they lost money every other month of the year. Walmart was already eating their lunch because Walmart could double or triple their in-store Toy offerings for 2 months a year then re-allocate that space to other products 10 months a year and undercut Toys R Us on price. Toys R Us simply couldn't price match and be profitable. In case you didn't read past the first paragraph, Matt Levine doesn't mention TOY was already struggling mightily in 2005 in his article - he doesn't talk at all about the shape the business was in prior to the LBO.

So along comes Bain, KKR and a Real Estate company - probably their biggest leaseholder - and they buy the company, cut costs, streamline operations, updates systems, update stores, close others, improve their online presence, etc and kept the business alive well past the point anyone thought possible. But it was still very iffy and then Amazon who doesn't have to dedicate any retail space at all to the same products, goes after the business aggressively and between them and Walmart, it's simply game over - they can't compete no matter what Matt Levine says. Toys R Us operations were profitable BECAUSE private equity came in and restructured it - they wouldn't have made it past 2008 without it and all those employees would have lost their jobs a full decade sooner. Maybe you (and Matt Levine) think if the workers controlled the stores instead of private equity, they could have restructured it without any debt - through the magic of the collective, perhaps...

It may not have worked out for Bain, KKR and Vornado - it's a private company so who knows what value they got over 13 years, but the idea that Toys R Us failed because of private equity is simply absurd, you have to be an idiot to believe that.

So... KKR - and other LBO chop shops - go around and save failing companies out of the goodness of their hearts?

And ALL these companies keep failing years later... for unrelated reasons that have nothing to do with the giant loans KKR, et. al. force them to take out to pay their massive "consulting fees," before they walk away and leave these companies as burning dumpster fires?

You honestly believe that?
 
Sorry, I meant to respond to this bullshit before, but moving homes & xmas holiday stuff kept me from getting to it.



This isn't an argument and I don't know Matt Levine personally, but based solely on your posting history, I trust him - or any random stranger I might meet on the street - 1,000 times more than I trust you.



So... KKR - and other LBO chop shops - go around and save failing companies out of the goodness of their hearts?

And ALL these companies keep failing years later... for unrelated reasons that have nothing to do with the giant loans KKR, et. al. force them to take out to pay their massive "consulting fees," before they walk away and leave these companies as burning dumpster fires?

You honestly believe that?
If memory serves, the conversation was whether or not the skill set is the kind of thing you'd look for in a President. In the anecdotes I'm aware of, they posses an expertise in selling off parts of sinking ships and keeping them going in a way to steer as much wealth towards investors (themselves) at the expense of the employees, taking advantage of every bit of goodwill and loyalty the employees have for each other. I would definitely recommend to a person in such a situation to get out ASAP. I would also recommend poaching entire teams of people that hang in there to the end. Spartanmack, of course, makes up a narrative and a set of opinions to assume that I hold, and waves his hands so you don't notice the implication of his positions: that the most capitalist nation should be treated as a failed business.
 
Sorry, I meant to respond to this bullshit before, but moving homes & xmas holiday stuff kept me from getting to it.

Don't apologize, the more time you take between your moronic posts, the better for all of us.

This isn't an argument and I don't know Matt Levine personally, but based solely on your posting history, I trust him - or any random stranger I might meet on the street - 1,000 times more than I trust you.

Although it's a fact, that wasn't the argument dummy.

So... KKR - and other LBO chop shops - go around and save failing companies out of the goodness of their hearts?

And ALL these companies keep failing years later... for unrelated reasons that have nothing to do with the giant loans KKR, et. al. force them to take out to pay their massive "consulting fees," before they walk away and leave these companies as burning dumpster fires?

You honestly believe that?

Ah, now we finally get to the really stupid shit. Funny that you apologize for a delayed response and then you don't respond to the actual argument or the facts presented, just a made up argument you created and then called "bull shit." This seems so familiar, where have I seen this before?

Anyway, no one ever said KKR and other private equity firms do what they do out of the kindness of their hearts - by the way, Toys R Us wasn't giving away toys out of the kindness of their hearts before or after KKR bought them either. I'm not going to repeat the argument for the 3rd time - I should have known you were too stupid to understand it the first time. You do this all the time - find some article from some left leaning publication written by some idiot who thinks like you do and declare it authoritative and irrefutable despite mountains of evidence to the contrary then go on a rant about "capitalism bad" and some other stupid nonsense then either ignore or completely misrepresent any counter arguments, engage in name calling and ad hominem and then whine to a moderator when you think someone is insulting you back when in fact all I'm doing is pointing out the fact that you're an idiot...
 
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If memory serves, the conversation was whether or not the skill set is the kind of thing you'd look for in a President. In the anecdotes I'm aware of, they posses an expertise in selling off parts of sinking ships and keeping them going in a way to steer as much wealth towards investors (themselves) at the expense of the employees, taking advantage of every bit of goodwill and loyalty the employees have for each other. I would definitely recommend to a person in such a situation to get out ASAP. I would also recommend poaching entire teams of people that hang in there to the end. Spartanmack, of course, makes up a narrative and a set of opinions to assume that I hold, and waves his hands so you don't notice the implication of his positions: that the most capitalist nation should be treated as a failed business.

that's hilarious, thanks for the laugh. This is how we get people like Obama and Biden in the White House - people who base their decisions on anecdotes and interpretations of them from idiots like mc.
 
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that's hilarious, thanks for the laugh. This is how we get people like Obama and Biden in the White House - people who base their decisions on anecdotes and interpretations of them from idiots like mc.


Do you have any specific disagreement with my generalization, because this is just more hand waving?
 
Nah. I don't want anything from your response. Question was mostly rhetorical. Guess I could have just said "This is more hand waving"

which is why you responded asking for something specific about your generalization. "i made up a generalization that's not remotely accurate and all you can do is respond with hand waving." You're really crushing it today.
 
Pelosi's house:
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McConnell's house:
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Conspiracy to commit fraud. Fun!

In recorded call, Trump pressures Georgia official to change election results

(Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump pressured Georgia’s top election official to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in the southern state, according to a recording of the hour-long call released by U.S. media on Sunday.

The Saturday call was the latest move in Trump’s two-month effort insisting that his loss to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden in the Nov. 3 election was the result of widespread voter fraud, a claim that has been widely rejected by state and federal election officials as well as multiple courts.

Trump’s call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, came as some of Trump’s allies in the U.S. Congress said they plan to object to the formal certification on Wednesday of Biden’s victory. The former vice president won by a margin of 306-232 in the state-by-state Electoral College, and by more than 7 million votes overall.
 
You are a leftist hack, that was a perfect call. Nothing wrong with asking someone to find you 12k votes.

Well, yeah, if they?re really legitimate votes and people just aren?t aware yet they exist.

Nothing wrong, actually finding them would be patriotic.
 
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