Wide spread election fraud 2020

[sggatecl]

How is it Trump's approval rating is so steady? The maximum - minimum is less than 10%.


Trump - 8.8%
Obama - 22.2%
W. Bush - 44.2%
Clinton - 25.3%
H.W. Bush - 57.6%

Who cares what the peasants think about the king?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Who cares what the peasants think about the king?

I think it's weird how there used to be a healthy number of people that changed their minds along the way and now there mostly aren't - but good point about worrying too much about the peasants.

 

[sggatecl]

I think it's weird how there used to be a healthy number of people that changed their minds along the way and now there mostly aren't - but good point about worrying too much about the peasants.

My team vs your team.

I've stuck with the Detroit Lions for 30+ years. Now imagine that kind of loyalty to a political party or even worse a political figure. Sad stuff.

 

[Spartanmack]

Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.detroitsportsforum.com/showpost.php?p=737034&postcount=26
Man, you are terrible at representing what other people have said. Worse than me with sarcasm.

No, that?s not what I?m talking about.

 

[Spartanmack]

This thread is probably what you are talking about
http://www.detroitsportsforum.com/showthread.php?t=20554


I stick by my previous statements.

That?s it. And you didn?t have to tell me you were sticking by your previous statements - who would be surprised by that?

 

[Spartanmack]

My team vs your team.

I've stuck with the Detroit Lions for 30+ years. Now imagine that kind of loyalty to a political party or even worse a political figure. Sad stuff.

People on both sides never changed their opinion of him - not just his supporters. Imagine that kind of bitter hatred for a political figure or party - the unwillingness of those people to acknowledge and give him credit for his accomplishments as president is just as big a reason for the tight range of his approval rating. No contempt for their intractability?

But I agree with your sentiment. Black people in America have been voting as a monolith for Democrats (the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, segregation, etc) since the 30s (longer than you've been rooting for the Lions) and look what that has gotten them. Sad stuff indeed.

 

[Thumb]

People on both sides never changed their opinion of him - not just his supporters. Imagine that kind of bitter hatred for a political figure or party - the unwillingness of those people to acknowledge and give him credit for his accomplishments as president is just as big a reason for the tight range of his approval rating. No contempt for their intractability?

But I agree with your sentiment. Black people in America have been voting as a monolith for Democrats (the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, segregation, etc) since the 30s (longer than you've been rooting for the Lions) and look what that has gotten them. Sad stuff indeed.

What accomplishments is he not getting credit for? Space Force? an unfinished Wall? China trade deal that is going to bring back all our manufacturing jobs? I mean he's done so much more, way more, fantastically more, even people are always telling him how great he is compared to other presidents....


Same as poor rural people have voted Republican (the party of wealthy elites, off-shore tax scammers, and television evangelists) because some churches even go so far as to say voting for a Democrat puts your soul in peril because it's a grave sin, and look what it has gotten them.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Trump - 8.8%
Obama - 22.2%
W. Bush - 44.2%
Clinton - 25.3%
H.W. Bush - 57.6%
Reagan - 32.7%
Carter - 46.6%
Ford - 36.2%
Nixon - 20.0%
Johnson - 41.5%


I added a few more points to show that something is different.

 

[byco42]

I think it's weird how there used to be a healthy number of people that changed their minds along the way and now there mostly aren't - but good point about worrying too much about the peasants.

Galvanization.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Galvanization.

I think the division into two groups consuming separate bodies of information (there are probably several 50 cent words for this, but I'm not thinking of any of them) went into overdrive as social media and advertising learned how to take advantage of targeting. I've read there's an historic inverse correlation between wealth inequality and political cooperation.

 

[byco42]

I think the division into two groups consuming separate bodies of information (there are probably several 50 cent words for this, but I'm not thinking of any of them) went into overdrive as social media and advertising learned how to take advantage of targeting. I've read there's an historic inverse correlation between wealth inequality and political cooperation.

Segmentation.

 

[Michchamp]

What accomplishments is he not getting credit for? Space Force? an unfinished Wall? China trade deal that is going to bring back all our manufacturing jobs? I mean he's done so much more, way more, fantastically more, even people are always telling him how great he is compared to other presidents....


Same as poor rural people have voted Republican (the party of wealthy elites, off-shore tax scammers, and television evangelists) because some churches even go so far as to say voting for a Democrat puts your soul in peril because it's a grave sin, and look what it has gotten them.

It's kind of ironic, but the things he deserves credit for are the ones the media is quietly ignoring, like killing the TPP, and at least speaking out about the 1% shipping American jobs to China (if not actually doing anything about it) and not starting any new wars.

The latter point though, he might not have drawn down troops, but by claiming he wanted to and us getting comments from military leaders that he can't do that, and they won't go along with it, at least it's becoming clear to more people that the American military is not governed by the state anymore, and the tail wags the dog.

I think this is the real reason politicians like Pelosi and McConnell don't like Trump, and all the retired generals and "former" CIA officials come out against him. They don't mind the open corruption & double dealing to benefit his businesses & hotels, but his big mouth makes it more difficult for them to continue doing business as usual.

 

[Michchamp]

I think the division into two groups consuming separate bodies of information (there are probably several 50 cent words for this, but I'm not thinking of any of them) went into overdrive as social media and advertising learned how to take advantage of targeting. I've read there's an historic inverse correlation between wealth inequality and political cooperation.

*in spartanmack "dumb guy" voice*:

IF I'VE LERNED ANYTHIGN FROM READING THIS SITE, IT'S THAT WEALTH INEQUALITY DOESNT EXIST AND IS JUST MADE UP BY LEFTIST MORONS AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE FOR IT AND IF YOU SAY SO, YOU JUST SAID THE DUMBESR THINGF ANYONES EVER SAID AND IM LAUGIHNG AT YOU AND TOTALLY NOT MAD AND
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[Gulo Blue]

*in spartanmack "dumb guy" voice*:

Yeah, I guess I need to state that I think wealth inequality, being essential to free market capitalism, the greatest, most efficient, most productive, and most ethical form of economy management in history, is not fundamentally bad - before that's assumed to be what I'm saying.

 

[Spartanmack]

sticks and stones...

That wasn?t name calling.

 

[Spartanmack]

What accomplishments is he not getting credit for? Space Force? an unfinished Wall? China trade deal that is going to bring back all our manufacturing jobs? I mean he's done so much more, way more, fantastically more, even people are always telling him how great he is compared to other presidents....

Tax reform, deregulation, renegotiating regional trade deals, pushing back against China. All policies that led to accelerated economic growth, increasing family income at higher rates, increased inbound and domestic investment, etc. Getting the US out of endless war in the Middle East, accomplishing historic peace deals in the region, standing up to Iran, getting us out of the disastrous Paris Climate accords while still reducing carbon emissions at high rates, increasing boarder security and cracking down on illegal immigration to name a few.

Same as poor rural people have voted Republican (the party of wealthy elites, off-shore tax scammers, and television evangelists) because some churches even go so far as to say voting for a Democrat puts your soul in peril because it's a grave sin, and look what it has gotten them.

no, it's not the same.

 

[Michchamp]

it's not essential but it's not bad either. When wealth and quality of life are increasing for everyone, which unless you're dumb enough to believe Bernie Sanders and AOC, they clearly are in America, the wealth gap isn't the issue. Focus should be on the poverty line, not the gap. but that doesn't generate votes for socialism like class warfare does. Also, it's not free market capitalism that is generating the widening of the wealth gap, it's crony corporatism that's doing that. Again, if you listen to morons like Bernie Sanders and AOC (and MC) and you think more regulation and more bigger government will make the system less corrupt, you're simply out of your mind.

But go ahead, keep putting word in my mouth to try to make it look like i'm saying something I'm not and goind through whatever mental gymnastics you need to so you can agree with the monumentally stupid shit your boyfriend posts and beclown yourselves even more with your moronic circle jerk.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah, I guess I need to state that I think wealth inequality, being essential to free market capitalism, the greatest, most efficient, most productive, and most ethical form of economy management in history, is not fundamentally bad - before that's assumed to be what I'm saying.

it's not essential, it's more of a byproduct. But it's not fundamentally bad either. When wealth and quality of life are increasing for everyone, which unless you're dumb enough to believe Bernie Sanders and AOC, they clearly are in America, the wealth gap isn't the issue. Focus should be on the poverty line, not the gap. but that doesn't generate votes for socialism like class warfare does. Also, it's not free market capitalism that is generating the widening of the wealth gap, it's crony corporatism that's doing that. Again, if you listen to morons like Bernie Sanders and AOC (and MC) and you think more regulation and bigger government will make the system less corrupt, you're simply out of your mind. Were you really mocking the claim that capitalism is the most efficient, productive and ethical form of economy management in history? Do you have some evidence to show it's not? would love to see it.

But go ahead, keep putting words in my mouth to try to make it look like i'm saying something I'm not and going through whatever mental gymnastics you need to so you can agree with the monumentally stupid shit your boyfriend posts and beclown yourselves even more with your moronic circle jerk.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's kind of ironic, but the things he deserves credit for are the ones the media is quietly ignoring, like killing the TPP, and at least speaking out about the 1% shipping American jobs to China (if not actually doing anything about it) and not starting any new wars.

The latter point though, he might not have drawn down troops, but by claiming he wanted to and us getting comments from military leaders that he can't do that, and they won't go along with it, at least it's becoming clear to more people that the American military is not governed by the state anymore, and the tail wags the dog.

I think this is the real reason politicians like Pelosi and McConnell don't like Trump, and all the retired generals and "former" CIA officials come out against him. They don't mind the open corruption & double dealing to benefit his businesses & hotels, but his big mouth makes it more difficult for them to continue doing business as usual.

you missed several (see my earlier post), but there's nothing ironic about any of it not being covered in the press. You have to be pretty stupid to think that's ironic.

 

[Spartanmack]

sick burn dude. you give up too easy these days - probably a good move on your part, though.