Worst responses to MLK, Jr. Day

[sggatecl]

God damn.

Your dad ruined the Dukes of Hazzards while simultaneously attempting to ruin moderate centrist/liberalism for you.

It's no wonder you're so fucked up.

I just want to hold you in my arms and hug you.

LOL! :lmao:

 

[Michchamp]

In NYC, someone burned down the Eric Garner memorial yesterday. May have just been a coincidence though...

 

[Gulo Blue]

Why are cigarettes part of a memorial to an asthmatic guy?

 

[Monster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP_5Ozxtkmo

 

[Michchamp]

No. BUT, don't forget, I don't just live in any part of the south, I live here:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.396676727027587.103646.100000557895928&type=3&l=d28fc4d65d

If I drive out of town a ways, I can find a Confederate flag, but I can also go months without seeing one.

Actually, instead of something silly, I should probably mention that part of Durham was once known as "Black Wall Street." Somewhere there's a W.E.B. DuBois essay (so, well before MLK) that praises Durham's race relations.

"Thanks fer defendin' er state 'gainst that yankee liberal scum, Red. Hurr durrr hurrr durrr. Here's yer complimentary confedrit' flag sticker."

 

[TheVictors]

I wouldn't just assume that Tom Wopat and John Schneider are Hollywood elitist Liberals, now. They're both good old country boy singers who only did the Dukes on the side, really.

And anyone else remember the Fantasy Island episode where Tom Wopat goes back and meets his WWII-era pilot father?

 

[Michchamp]

I wouldn't just assume that Tom Wopat and John Schneider are Hollywood elitist Liberals, now. They're both good old country boy singers who only did the Dukes on the side, really.

And anyone else remember the Fantasy Island episode where Tom Wopat goes back and meets his WWII-era pilot father?

I think the idea of the "Hollywood Liberal" is overrated. The occassional drug-addled starlet/celeb might make a commercial for PETA once and a while, or blather about peace, but the guys controlling the money & deciding which movies get made & how they're rated are decidedly Conservative, pro-war, pro-business.

But to an extent, it's relative... I suppose to some, Steven Spielberg and David Geffen dumping $700K of slop into Rahm Emanuel's campaign trough is a "liberal thing"... never mind that the real liberals running against him got zilch from Hollywood.

 

[TheVictors]

I will be in Beverly Hills in a few hours and for a few days. There is some wealth there in that town and plenty of it flows to the right ...but a lot flows to the left and not always because of "bleeding heart" causes. Sometimes when some flaky musician or actor suddenly becomes wealthy, they act like someone who wants to share their wealth rather than hoard it.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think the idea of the "Hollywood Liberal" is overrated. The occassional drug-addled starlet/celeb might make a commercial for PETA once and a while, or blather about peace, but the guys controlling the money & deciding which movies get made & how they're rated are decidedly Conservative, pro-war, pro-business.

But to an extent, it's relative... I suppose to some, Steven Spielberg and David Geffen dumping $700K of slop into Rahm Emanuel's campaign trough is a "liberal thing"... never mind that the real liberals running against him got zilch from Hollywood.

Nonsense. Pulled out of your ass and not even close to accurate.

Harvey Weinstein (funnily enough, pushes harder than anyone for tax breaks for hollywood)
Jeff Katzenberg
Barry Meyer (Warner Brothers)
JJ Abrams
Plus all the "talent" that lines up lefty and had raised huge money like George Clooney ($15mm), Matt Damon, Qwyneth Paltrow, etc, etc.

All solidly in the lefty camp and all heavy donors/fundraisers for Dems.

Not one head of a Hollywood studio or major producer makes the list of conservative donors/fundraisers.

Hollywood is a mecca of liberal elitism from top to bottom.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Hollywood is a mecca of liberal elitism from top to bottom.

Apparently some of them do like to make racist jokes about the president when they think no one is looking/listening though, so ya gotta at least give them a little credit for that.

 

[Spartanmack]

Apparently some of them do like to make racist jokes about the president when they think no one is looking/listening though, so ya gotta at least give them a little credit for that.

Perhaps that disproves certain DSF posters' theory that racism is an exclusively conservative vice...

 

[tinselwolverine]

Perhaps that disproves certain DSF posters' theory that racism is an exclusively conservative vice...

Well, I was just being my glib and ironic self; I'm not going to brand Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin as racists just because they used race as the basis for a joke; I use race and ethnicity and gender and sexual preference as the basis for jokes sometimes myself.

I called Leo Terrell when he was guest hosting a radio show to point out that movies and television use stereotypes as the basis for humor all the time, and said that in case of Pascal, in that instance, as a high ranking executive of a major employer she has a legal responsibility to make sure Sony is in compliance with Fair Employment laws, and humor such as that in that situation is inappropriate.

He does have a point.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Well, I was just being my glib and ironic self; I'm not going to brand Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin as racists just because they used race as the basis for a joke; I use race and ethnicity and gender and sexual preference as the basis for jokes sometimes myself.

I called Leo Terrell when he was guest hosting a radio show to point out that movies and television use stereotypes as the basis for humor all the time, and said that in case of Pascal, in that instance, as a high ranking executive of a major employer she has a legal responsibility to make sure Sony is in compliance with Fair Employment laws, and humor such as that in that situation is inappropriate.

He does have a point.

You're just taking their side because you're an elitist.

You might be a Pacificist too (note the extra "ic" I just wordsmithed in there. Pro-West Coat and Japan; not a Pacifist, which you are not. You love head-chopping machetes too much.)

 

[Spartanmack]

Well, I was just being my glib and ironic self; I'm not going to brand Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin as racists just because they used race as the basis for a joke; I use race and ethnicity and gender and sexual preference as the basis for jokes sometimes myself.

I was just responding in kind and wouldn't label them racist either solely on the basis of those emails. I do think there is a double standard though and if Rudin or Pascal's name showed up on a list of conservative donors there would have been a much bigger reaction.

This may be the only time I've ever laughed at anything involving Tyler Perry (other than the 5 minutes of Alex Cross accidentally watched - 5 minutes that I can never get back) - but I don't think it's racist...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfJ6OQI00A

 

[TheVictors]

There is some super hardcore Zionist money in Beverly Hills - Israeli Defense Fund and so forth.

Not sure if that falls Left or Right with the neocons and all.

 

[tinselwolverine]

There is some super hardcore Zionist money in Beverly Hills - Israeli Defense Fund and so forth.

Not sure if that falls Left or Right with the neocons and all.

They will probably lean toward the right, while more secular type Jews like Spielberg and Katzenberg and the Weinsteins and such lean left.

 

[Spartanmack]

There is some super hardcore Zionist money in Beverly Hills - Israeli Defense Fund and so forth.

Not sure if that falls Left or Right with the neocons and all.

But they're probably not Hollywood hitters - unless they're running things behind the scenes and secretly donating to conservative causes so as not to upset the talent, like Russell Brand and one or two other drug addled Hollywood liberals you hear about from time to time...

There's a lot of size in Beverly Hills that has nothing to do with Hollywood.

 

[TheVictors]

But they're probably not Hollywood hitters - unless they're running things behind the scenes and secretly donating to conservative causes so as not to upset the talent, like Russell Brand and one or two other drug addled Hollywood liberals you hear about from time to time...

There's a lot of size in Beverly Hills that has nothing to do with Hollywood.

True. But the broad, sweeping generalization of "Hollywood Liberals" also captures the generalization about the "Left Coast" and while money is money is money and both sides of the aisle are flush, there are Koch Brother-like (not to that scale, likely) sources for the left here.

The disconnect is when people use the generalization and apply it to the talent. A bunch of rednecks get all pissed when the Dixie Chicks come out as Democrats and ironically enough, the numbskull mid-American consumer is the one spending money on the big 'Blow em up!' Blockbuster hits that line the pockets of the Hollywood Elite (and keeps thousands of advocates of same sex marriage gainfully employed).

You also have to draw a distinction between the wealth of an "artist" accumulated over years and the wealth of an industry family accumulated over generations.

There is A LOT of Oil money here in SoCal ...in fact, the reason Beverly Hills is what it is, is because the land sits on oil. There are Derricks on the property of the real BH HS and under Wilshire Blvd.

I think the creation of the "Hollywood Liberal Elitist" was just one step in the Echo Chamber process of creating a "them." It's easy to detract from someone with wealth who is just wasting that money by donating to WWF or PETA, but a "job creator" who builds wealth by clearing land, drilling for oil or outsourcing jobs to China is "business wealth."

Money is money. The idea that some schlub in Tennessee making relatively lower wages is better off voting Republican is a by product of galvanizing against the "Hollywoood elite" and those "homos in California"

 

[Michchamp]

I was just responding in kind and wouldn't label them racist either solely on the basis of those emails. I do think there is a double standard though and if Rudin or Pascal's name showed up on a list of conservative donors there would have been a much bigger reaction.

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I think you can explain away the "double standard" by noting that racist jokes are one thing, but coupled with membership in a party that pushes actual racist policies, they're another.

EDIT: not defending Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin... I know nothing about either of them, or their politics, but there WAS a reaction to the comments; I don't really know how much bigger of a reaction you'd like or expect... as usual your "points" are impossible to quantify in any meaningful sense.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think you can explain away the "double standard" by noting that racist jokes are one thing, but coupled with membership in a party that pushes actual racist policies, they're another.

EDIT: not defending Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin... I know nothing about either of them, or their politics, but there WAS a reaction to the comments; I don't really know how much bigger of a reaction you'd like or expect... as usual your "points" are impossible to quantify in any meaningful sense.

True. But the broad, sweeping generalization of "Conservative racists" also captures the generalization about the South and while racism is racism is racism both sides of the aisle probably have some racist element but one in particular has a much clearer record of overt racism - for example the KKK and the racist Southern Politicians were/are almost exclusively Democrats.

The disconnect is when people use the generalization and apply it to the conservative platform. A bunch of toastchamp's favorite talking heads get all pissed when a conservative comes out for welfare reform or against racially discriminatory policies like Affirmative Action.

His side likes to downplay racist and sexist remarks of Dems (Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Joe Biden, Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden) while decrying conservative policies that aren't remotely racist as racist.

There is A LOT of racism in the Democratic party and while they used to push overtly racist policies, they now do it in a rather underhanded and sinister way by championing policies that perpetuate the cycle of poverty that disproportionately hurts minorities.

I think the creation of the "Conservative Racist" was just one step in the Echo Chamber process of creating a "them." It's easy to detract from someone who wants real reform that benefits everyone by reforming bloated and abused social programs with someone who tells you they want to save poor people by keeping them in a state of permanent dependence and poverty.

Racism is racism. The idea that some schlub in the ghetto is better off voting for Dem policies that will get him/her hooked on the State's largesse is a by-product of galvanizing against them racist Republicans.

Apologies Vic - not personal or directed at you in any way. It was well written (I don't agree w/ some of it) and with a few tweaks fit what I wanted to say quite nicely - I just couldn't resist.