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Would you guys be for/against trading out of the 1st round?

Bringing back Sims for the minimum isn't a bad idea. Even if we draft a guard, the chances he ends up as good as Warford's rookie year is pretty low. That said, I'm hoping for La'ell Collins in the first. I think he could be a dominant guard or adequate RT. I'd play him at guard here and hope Waddle can get healthy.
 
Sims was pretty good in the second half, probably their best. Wonder if that could translate to a full season in 2015?
 
the bottom line is trading down is so you can gain value later in the draft. Problem with this is i have no confidence that mayhew can find any value later in the draft....well...because he has a history of ZERO value later in the draft.
 
the bottom line is trading down is so you can gain value later in the draft. Problem with this is i have no confidence that mayhew can find any value later in the draft....well...because he has a history of ZERO value later in the draft.

That's not entirely true. Whitehead, Warford, Martin, Riddick, Levy, and Hill have all been great values taken after the 2nd round. Hill got out of dodge, but the rest are (or will be in Riddick's case) significant contributors. Mayhew can find players later in the draft, but it's a toss-up.

Trading down to get more picks makes sense only if there's no player, at the time you are picking, that you really want. Trading down when you are giving up a player of need/value is just dumb.

Example1: Let's say Detroit targets Cedric Ogbuehi (OT) as the best player on their board when they pick. But another team wants to trade up from the top of the 2nd for someone like Gurley. Detroit should know Ogbuehi is likely to still be around at the top of the 2nd, so getting an extra pick with the player they want is a smart move.

Example2: Same basic situation, but let's say Andrus Peat (OT) falls due to concerns that he's only fit to play RT. Peat is considered a significantly better player than Ogbuehi, and we would be using either one at RT in year one anyway. So when another team calls to trade, even if they are looking for Gurley, it would be dumb to trade down and miss out on Peat.
 
That's not entirely true. Whitehead, Warford, Martin, Riddick, Levy, and Hill have all been great values taken after the 2nd round. Hill got out of dodge, but the rest are (or will be in Riddick's case) significant contributors. Mayhew can find players later in the draft, but it's a toss-up.

Trading down to get more picks makes sense only if there's no player, at the time you are picking, that you really want. Trading down when you are giving up a player of need/value is just dumb.

Example1: Let's say Detroit targets Cedric Ogbuehi (OT) as the best player on their board when they pick. But another team wants to trade up from the top of the 2nd for someone like Gurley. Detroit should know Ogbuehi is likely to still be around at the top of the 2nd, so getting an extra pick with the player they want is a smart move.

Example2: Same basic situation, but let's say Andrus Peat (OT) falls due to concerns that he's only fit to play RT. Peat is considered a significantly better player than Ogbuehi, and we would be using either one at RT in year one anyway. So when another team calls to trade, even if they are looking for Gurley, it would be dumb to trade down and miss out on Peat.

Every situation is unique. It could be a team only wants to move up a few spots to get Gurley. There could be several guys on the board that you value equally and trading back you know that one of them will still be there. With the bust rate in the NFL the more guys you pick the better chance you have to hit on some of them.
 
Someone is trading with us to get back into the first round for a running back with an injury history? Is this Ryu vs. Ryu?
 
Someone is trading with us to get back into the first round for a running back with an injury history? Is this Ryu vs. Ryu?

no kidding...if ANYBODY trades back into the first for a RB with an injury history it will be the Lions. That is their move!
 
no kidding...if ANYBODY trades back into the first for a RB with an injury history it will be the Lions. That is their move!

They swapped position in the 4th and lost a 7th. Great trade for Best value wise. Best then got hurt after 22 games. You take a gamble in 2010 Round 2. We needed a playmaker like Best badly. See 2012 without Best and 2014 with Bush hurt.
 
No one will be taking a chance on a guy like Best ever again. The whole league can thank Mahew and the Lions for that aggressive reach
 
They swapped position in the 4th and lost a 7th. Great trade for Best value wise. Best then got hurt after 22 games. You take a gamble in 2010 Round 2. We needed a playmaker like Best badly. See 2012 without Best and 2014 with Bush hurt.

Lion's record with Best 11-11

He had 2 games in his NFL career where he averaged more than 5 yards per carry (both vs the Bears). Week 12 in 2010 when he rushed for 65 yards on 9 carries (45 yard run in that game) and in week 5 of the 2011 season he rushed for 163 yards on 12 carries (88 yard run)

Career rushing stats (22 games)

255 attempts, 945 yards, 3.7 YPC 6 TDs

Oh, BTW, this P.O.S. had the balls to sue the NFL and helmet maker over concussions and filed a workers comp claim vs. the Lions. Come on...he almost died from a concussion in his last game when he was at Cal and he has the balls to sue the NFL. Screw him!
 
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Lion's record with Best 11-11

He had 2 games in his NFL career where he averaged more than 5 yards per carry (both vs the Bears). Week 12 in 2010 when he rushed for 65 yards on 9 carries (45 yard run in that game) and in week 5 of the 2011 season he rushed for 163 yards on 12 carries (88 yard run)

Career rushing stats (22 games)

255 attempts, 945 yards, 3.7 YPC 6 TDs

Oh, BTW, this P.O.S. had the balls to sue the NFL and helmet maker over concussions and filed a workers comp claim vs. the Lions. Come on...he almost died from a concussion in his last game when he was at Cal and he has the balls to sue the NFL. Screw him!

Well yeah the lions record with best is skewed a bit. Because he was playing through that turf toe. He wasn't great as a pure runner but he absolutely killed it in the passing game when healthy. Through 6 games in 2011 he accounted for nearly 700 yards.
 
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Well yeah the lions record with best is skewed a bit. Because he was playing through that turf toe. He wasn't great as a pure runner but he absolutely killed it in the passing game when healthy. Through 6 games in 2011 he accounted for nearly 700 yards.

yes...he was a good pass catcher out of the backfield.
 
6-0 with Stafford/Best finishing games. Best had plenty of good games and big plays.
 
Not a reach at the time.
It sure was. Trade up to get a RB? Plus there was a lot written about his injury history. He probably would have fell late 2nd, early 3rd. Some GM fleeced his butt just like in draft day...
 
Nope. Injuries hit hard usually.

Mayhew is undefeated or close to it with health.

I agree...mayhew sucks. no depth on this shallow roster filled with 3 superstar contracts. oooops.

1 #1 overall qb contract he extended. He is currently a top 22 qb.

1 no brainer WR contract he extended and overpaid.

and awwwwww donkeykong suh who he couldn't even franchise let alone sign to an extension.

Good news is were down to 2 mega contracts. Bad news is we still have no depth and im sure we will hear the injury excuse again next year. Anyone excited to see Dan Orlovsky in the game?...anyone?
 
I agree...mayhew sucks. no depth on this shallow roster filled with 3 superstar contracts. oooops.

1 #1 overall qb contract he extended. He is currently a top 22 qb.

1 no brainer WR contract he extended and overpaid.

and awwwwww donkeykong suh who he couldn't even franchise let alone sign to an extension.

Good news is were down to 2 mega contracts. Bad news is we still have no depth and im sure we will hear the injury excuse again next year. Anyone excited to see Dan Orlovsky in the game?...anyone?

Good depth. Just the backups got hurt too. Mayhew is the best GM in the league. Hands down.
 
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