Wow, we're really trying to start a war with Iran now

[jwlcosu]

But the Persians did something outrageous.



They removed the Dictator the US/UK placed in power.



They than resisted the Iraqi invasion backed by the US/UK.


Than they had their passenger airliner crash into a friendly US anti-air missile, while the US naval vessel was 100% not within Persian territorial waters.


All 3 are major transgressions the United States cannot forgive.

Not saying the Persians don?t deserve it but what?s happening now is saber-rattling. There will be no need for the US to make war.

 

[Spartanmack]

But the Persians did something outrageous.



They removed the Dictator the US/UK placed in power.



They than resisted the Iraqi invasion backed by the US/UK.


Than they had their passenger airliner crash into a friendly US anti-air missile, while the US naval vessel was 100% not within Persian territorial waters.


All 3 are major transgressions the United States cannot forgive.

you're almost as good at revisionist history as champ.

 

[tigermud]

Ron Paul?s Advice to Trump on Foreign Policy: ?Get Rid of John Bolton?
?No one elected John Bolton to be president?


While discussing America?s current standoff with Iran on the Ron Paul Liberty Report podcast, former Congressman Ron Paul suggested President Trump get rid of John Bolton, Mike Pompeo and other neocons to eliminate their negative influences.

During the Wednesday transmission, Paul said President Trump seems to be trying to satisfy the neocons surrounding him while also trying to satisfy his own instincts, which Paul admits are ?much better than the instincts of the neocons.?


On Tuesday, Tucker Carlson also covered Bolton?s war hawk stance against Iran and his role in the Trump administration, asking, ?How influential is Bolton in The White House??

Wednesday evening, President Trump went to Twitter to clarify what?s going on in The White House when it comes to the Middle East.

POTUS denied rumors of infighting and said, ?Different opinions are expressed and I make a decisive and final decision,? adding, ?I?m sure that Iran will want to talk soon.?

 

[Polish-Hammer]

you're almost as good at revisionist history as champ.

None of that is revisionist history.


https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days


https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/...id-to-iraq-early-in-its-war-against-iran.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ght-655/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ee66e64af5f3

 

[Michchamp]

None of that is revisionist history.


https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days


https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/...id-to-iraq-early-in-its-war-against-iran.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ght-655/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ee66e64af5f3

He only accepts links/information that have been vetted by Alex Jones or Breitbart.com

 

[Spartanmack]

None of that is revisionist history.


https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days


https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/...id-to-iraq-early-in-its-war-against-iran.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ght-655/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ee66e64af5f3

it's pretty much all revisionist history and I don't read Alex Jones or Breitbart.

When the last Shah of Iran ascended to the throne in 1941 (38 years before the Islamic revolution) to replace his father when he resigned after the SOVIETS invaded Iran and the Brits and Aussies provided naval support, he was not the UK's preferred candidate. the Brits wanted to return the Qajar dynasty back to power but the next in line was raised in the UK since his family was overthrown in 1925, didn't speak Persian and wasn't acceptable to the Iranian people. The Brits were persuaded by the Prime Miniser of Iran to not pursue a drastic transformation of Iranian politics. So the US and UK didn't put any dictator in power, they accepted the choice of the Iranian Prime Minister and Parliament. then in 1953, as your article says, the US helped the Shah remove the PM Mossadegh and replace him with another after he tried to nationalize Iran's oil reserves. They failed initially and Mossadegh was ultimately overthrown when communists in Iran also turned on Mossadegh and the Shah, the CIA again intervened to support the Shah's choice for PM. Conservative Islamic clerics at the time opposed Mossadegh and backed the Shah so it seems bit disingenuous, 38 years later to blame American interference in Iranian politics for supporting the guy they supported at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi

The US did not back the Iraqi invasion of Iran which happened in the fall of 1980. Iraq invaded Iran on their own around the same time the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. It was an opportunistic invasion in which they hoped to take advantage of Iran's post Islamic Revolution chaos. By 1982, Iran had beaten them back and reclaimed virtually all of it's land taken by Iraq, at which point the Iranians became the aggressors. That's about the time the US began providing assistance to the Iraqis. The article you linked from the NYT even acknowledges that US support began in 1982 - thanks for the additional evidence that further refutes your false claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

 

[Michchamp]

well the 1954 Coup against Iran is mentioned in one of your links, so did it happen, or not?

We just have to take your word for what's real history and what's fake, even when you claim something is "revisionist" then post about it yourself?

 

[TheVictors]

Don?t worry fellas. Unless Iran does something utterly outrageous, there?s not going to be a war. But this thread does give a few of you the opportunity to continue to appear stupid.

lol. Trump now blaming "cabinet members" for pushing WAR that he isn't sold on yet ....like when someone pretends to push you but then grabs you back and acts like they saved you.

The only stupid people are dumbfucks who think Trump isn't a lying shitdick beholden to Putin with every move.

You should watch the movie Wag the Dog and it will explain to you (in simple terms) what's happening.

 

[jwlcosu]

lol. Trump now blaming "cabinet members" for pushing WAR that he isn't sold on yet ....like when someone pretends to push you but then grabs you back and acts like they saved you.

The only stupid people are dumbfucks who think Trump isn't a lying shitdick beholden to Putin with every move.

You should watch the movie Wag the Dog and it will explain to you (in simple terms) what's happening.

LOL at you all day long. Remember when I said one of us would look stupid? It's you, dumb ass! Still peddling the pee tape dumb ass?

 

[Spartanmack]

well the 1954 Coup against Iran is mentioned in one of your links, so did it happen, or not?

We just have to take your word for what's real history and what's fake, even when you claim something is "revisionist" then post about it yourself?

I said 1953 in my post, is that not correct?

To answer your question, taking my word would certainly be better than relying on yours since you think things like Ho Chi Min turned Vietnam into a communist dictatorship because Truman snubbed him or that the Islamic Revolution was about American interference in the US when the conservative clerics at the time (38 years prior) actually backed the same guy we supported or that Israel is the evil actor in the Middle East when it's the ONLY free, democratic society in the region where even Muslims can vote, be gay, marry who they want, practice their religion, not practice their religion, leave their religion, change their religion however they wish without being jailed or flogged or even executed by public hanging, stoning or being thrown off a building. You also think Israel is an "occupier" in Gaza and has created an apartheid state when Israel left Gaza completely over a decade ago, doesn't have any soldiers there, any say in it's politics, etc. But because they defend themselves against a government that's a recognized terrorist group which indiscriminately launches rockets into Israel daily, calls for the destruction of Israel and death to all Jews globally, Israel is bad.

You're so consistently wrong, not to mention bigoted, you have no credibility to criticize anyone on these matters.

Edit: I just double checked my link - both the failed and the subsequent successful coup were in 1953, not 1954.

 

[TheVictors]

LOL at you all day long. Remember when I said one of us would look stupid? It's you, dumb ass! Still peddling the pee tape dumb ass?

yeah, no.



and if this is you thinking I look "stupid" then by all means, please continue watching fox with your thumb up your ass and spartanmack's dick in your mouth. or better yet, watch Wag to Dog. It's not a great movie, but then again your boy is a glorified wannabe Kardashian.

 

[Spartanmack]

yeah, no.



and if this is you thinking I look "stupid" then by all means, please continue watching fox with your thumb up your ass and spartanmack's dick in your mouth. or better yet, watch Wag to Dog. It's not a great movie, but then again your boy is a glorified wannabe Kardashian.

yeah, how could anyone read this or any of your other "brilliant" posts and think you look stupid? boggles the mind really...

 

[jwlcosu]

yeah, no.

No? Here you go, dumb ass.

http://detroitsportsforum.com/showpost.php?p=832345&postcount=116

Your entire participation in that thread should embarrass you. As in most threads, in fact. Often wrong but never in doubt. That's you. You don't know and don't know that you don't know. What a putz. What a dumb ass. What a complete lack of credibility.

 

[Michchamp]

No? Here you go, dumb ass.

http://detroitsportsforum.com/showpost.php?p=832345&postcount=116

Your entire participation in that thread should embarrass you. As in most threads, in fact. Often wrong but never in doubt. That's you. You don't know and don't know that you don't know. What a putz. What a dumb ass. What a complete lack of credibility.

mods, please ban this pottymouth, who never ads anything to the conversation besides personal insults and stinking thinking.

 

[tigermud]

there goes the authoritarian asking for bans again. you'd make for an excellent FB moderator

 

[tinselwolverine]

there goes the authoritarian asking for bans again. you'd make for an excellent FB moderator

That?s funny.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.cnsnews.com/video/trump-you-do-have-military-industrial-complex-they-do-war

CNSNews.com) - President Trump, speaking about hostile foreign powers, Iran especially, told Fox News that if he can solve tensions economically, he prefers that to a military solution.

But he said he's up against a military-industrial complex in Washington that wants to keep the wars going:

Well, I'm the one that talks about these wars that are 19 years (long), and people are just there. And don't kid yourself, you do have a military industrial complex. They do like war.

You know, In Syria with the caliphate, so I wipe out 100% of the caliphate that doesn't mean you're not going to have these crazy people going around, blowing up stores and blowing up things, these are seriously ill people...But I wiped out 100 percent of the caliphate.

I said, I want to bring our troops back home -- the place went crazy. They want to keep-- you have people here in Washington, they never want to leave. I said, you know what I'll do, I'll leave a couple hundred soldiers behind, but if it was up to them they'd bring thousands of soldiers in.

Someday people will explain it, but you do have a group, and they call it the military-industrial complex.

They never want to leave, they always want to fight. No. I don't want to fight, but you do have situations like Iran. You can't let them have nuclear weapons. You just can't let that happen.
President Trump made the remarks last week in an interview with Fox News's Steve Hilton. The interview aired on Sunday night.

On Sunday evening, following reports that an Iranian-backed militia may have fired the rocket that landed near the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, Trump tweeted: "If Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!"

 

[jwlcosu]

mods, please ban this pottymouth, who never ads anything to the conversation besides personal insults and stinking thinking.

Which word offends your sensibilities, Chump? Putz, dumb or ass?

 

[byco42]

Civil disagreement seems to be a challenge for some here. Too, bad, because that severely impinges on the possibility of learning from the other. Admittedly, I've been guilty of un-civil-ness here, but it's such an energy drain and in no way charitable. Witnessing it also is enervating. My .02.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Civil disagreement seems to be a challenge for some here. Too, bad, because that severely impinges on the possibility of learning from the other. Admittedly, I've been guilty of un-civil-ness here, but it's such an energy drain and in no way charitable. Witnessing it also is enervating. My .02.

Nobody rates a score of 100% in always being civil here but I would put you at the top or among the top in civility.