You takin notes Gunther?

[boogerlovejoy]

Good NFL defenses blitz more than 9% of pass plays.

Hope Schwartz has Gunther taped to a chair in front of this game. We need more pressure next year.

 

[mhughes0021]

SF has 2 pro bowlers in their secondary.

NO has 1 pro bowler, Patrick Robinson who has played very well and a former first round pick at safety in Malcom Jenkins.

We have 3 scrubs and delmas

 

[grandy]

Delmas isn't anything amazing either

I thought I heard Brees' stats were ridiculous against the blitz this year?

 

[lp4ever41]

We don't have blitzers. Levy, Tulloch, and Durant are better in coverage and against the run. We don't have players like Patrick Willis and Aldon Smith.

Anyways, IMO the Saints are simply killing themselves. IF they stop turning it over, they'll score on just about every possession.

Except that one lol.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

SF has 2 pro bowlers in their secondary.

NO has 1 pro bowler, Patrick Robinson who has played very well and a former first round pick at safety in Malcom Jenkins.

We have 3 scrubs and delmas

So what you're saying is that you'd take our "scrub" secondary and ask them to cover LONGER because we get no pressure??

Genius Gunther.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

We don't have blitzers. Levy, Tulloch, and Durant are better in coverage and against the run. We don't have players like Patrick Willis and Aldon Smith.

Anyways, IMO the Saints are simply killing themselves. IF they stop turning it over, they'll score on just about every possession.

Except that one lol.

Are you suggesting that Levy, Durant and Tulloch cant run like hell at the qb??

Blitzing is pretty easy.

 

[mhughes0021]

SF has 2 pro bowlers in their secondary.

NO has 1 pro bowler, Patrick Robinson who has played very well and a former first round pick at safety in Malcom Jenkins.

We have 3 scrubs and delmas

So what you're saying is that you'd take our "scrub" secondary and ask them to cover LONGER because we get no pressure??

Genius Gunther.

nah i agree with you but it works both ways. Cant blitz and leave guys wide open 30 yards down the field. Cant cover man v man when you blitz a lot when you have a bunch of scrubs. Personel needs to be better before we can take those risks. You saw what brees did to us even when we played "coverage" defense. This year he schemed around getting pressure with the front 4...that just didnt happen like he wanted.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

So what you're saying is that you'd take our "scrub" secondary and ask them to cover LONGER because we get no pressure??

Genius Gunther.

nah i agree with you but it works both ways. Cant blitz and leave guys wide open 30 yards down the field. Cant cover man v man when you blitz a lot when you have a bunch of scrubs. Personel needs to be better before we can take those risks. You saw what brees did to us even when we played "coverage" defense. This year he schemed around getting pressure with the front 4...that just didnt happen like he wanted.

I understand the risk and reward of blitzing. However, just like you mentioned.....he schemed around getting pressure with the front 4...that just didnt happen like he wanted.....

THEN WHY NOT BLITZ MORE???

Don't just stick with what's NOT working. That's bad coaching.

 

[lp4ever41]

We don't have blitzers. Levy, Tulloch, and Durant are better in coverage and against the run. We don't have players like Patrick Willis and Aldon Smith.

Anyways, IMO the Saints are simply killing themselves. IF they stop turning it over, they'll score on just about every possession.

Except that one lol.

Are you suggesting that Levy, Durant and Tulloch cant run like hell at the qb??

Blitzing is pretty easy.

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength makes no difference. Good call.

Even when the Lions blitzed, NO blocked them. All it did was make it easier for Brees.

 

[mhughes0021]

Are you suggesting that Levy, Durant and Tulloch cant run like hell at the qb??

Blitzing is pretty easy.

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength makes no difference. Good call.

Even when the Lions blitzed, NO blocked them. All it did was make it easier for Brees.

Tulloch always seems to be a couple steps too slow on his blitzes. Durant never seems to get sent....maybe cause hes better at coverage. With his size and speed wouldnt mind seeing him come a bit more often. Levy sucks at just about everything...if Palmer started over him next year id be fine with it.

 

[lp4ever41]

nah i agree with you but it works both ways. Cant blitz and leave guys wide open 30 yards down the field. Cant cover man v man when you blitz a lot when you have a bunch of scrubs. Personel needs to be better before we can take those risks. You saw what brees did to us even when we played "coverage" defense. This year he schemed around getting pressure with the front 4...that just didnt happen like he wanted.

I understand the risk and reward of blitzing. However, just like you mentioned.....he schemed around getting pressure with the front 4...that just didnt happen like he wanted.....

THEN WHY NOT BLITZ MORE???

Don't just stick with what's NOT working. That's bad coaching.

It wasn't as bad as it looked. They created several turnover opportunities (but couldn't take advantage) and they got the Saints in a bunch of 3rd/4th downs, and the Saints every time would either BARELY get it or benefit from a bad spot by the refs. Being so close probably made the staff a little hesitant.

Besides, blitzing is just not something they've done much. Completely changing your season-long approach in the second half of a playoff game isn't exactly great coaching either.

I agree that they need to put pressure more effectively, but they also need players who can get there at an elite level. They need more athleticism at OLB and DE.

 

[lp4ever41]

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength makes no difference. Good call.

Even when the Lions blitzed, NO blocked them. All it did was make it easier for Brees.

Tulloch always seems to be a couple steps too slow on his blitzes. Durant never seems to get sent....maybe cause hes better at coverage. With his size and speed wouldnt mind seeing him come a bit more often. Levy sucks at just about everything...if Palmer started over him next year id be fine with it.

Zach Brown in round 1. Let him come in on third and long early in the season, and slowly let him get more PT as he develops. Then let Levy walk in FA and Brown can take over.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Are you suggesting that Levy, Durant and Tulloch cant run like hell at the qb??

Blitzing is pretty easy.

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength makes no difference. Good call.

Even when the Lions blitzed, NO blocked them. All it did was make it easier for Brees.

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength make all the difference. That's why Mike Mamula and Boss Bailey are in the Hall of Fame.

 

[lp4ever41]

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength makes no difference. Good call.

Even when the Lions blitzed, NO blocked them. All it did was make it easier for Brees.

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength make all the difference. That's why Mike Mamula and Boss Bailey are in the Hall of Fame.

I NEVER said they make ALL the difference. But you DID imply that anyone can go and blitz effectively, regardless of their physical qualities. So your argument about Boss Bailey is bullshit.

If the Lions are gonna blitz effectively, they need players who can play in coverage AND are athletic enough to get to the QB effectively.

BTW, did you notice how easily Sproles beat our LBs one on one? He's not doing that to Bowman and Willis.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength make all the difference. That's why Mike Mamula and Boss Bailey are in the Hall of Fame.

I NEVER said they make ALL the difference. But you DID imply that anyone can go and blitz effectively, regardless of their physical qualities. So your argument about Boss Bailey is bullshit.

If the Lions are gonna blitz effectively, they need players who can play in coverage AND are athletic enough to get to the QB effectively.

BTW, did you notice how easily Sproles beat our LBs one on one? He's not doing that to Bowman and Willis.

He had 4 catches for 34 yards against us.....not sure what your point is.

 

[lp4ever41]

I NEVER said they make ALL the difference. But you DID imply that anyone can go and blitz effectively, regardless of their physical qualities. So your argument about Boss Bailey is bullshit.

If the Lions are gonna blitz effectively, they need players who can play in coverage AND are athletic enough to get to the QB effectively.

BTW, did you notice how easily Sproles beat our LBs one on one? He's not doing that to Bowman and Willis.

He had 4 catches for 34 yards against us.....not sure what your point is.

Thats simply because there were players more open downfield. And we often put extra coverage on him.

But on third down, he killed us. Especially one-on-one.

And on cue, SF blitzes and puts a safety on Sproles. TD

 

[mhughes0021]

He blitzed Spievey a lot earlier in the year probably because he felt like he wasnt going to cover anyone if left in coverage anyways. But when spievey would just run right by the guy with the ball or miss the tackle he stopped doing that too.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Wow. You're right. Speed/strength make all the difference. That's why Mike Mamula and Boss Bailey are in the Hall of Fame.

I NEVER said they make ALL the difference. But you DID imply that anyone can go and blitz effectively, regardless of their physical qualities. So your argument about Boss Bailey is bullshit.

If the Lions are gonna blitz effectively, they need players who can play in coverage AND are athletic enough to get to the QB effectively.

BTW, did you notice how easily Sproles beat our LBs one on one? He's not doing that to Bowman and Willis.

sproles had 15 catches for over 100 yards receiving... wtf are u talking about?

 

[lp4ever41]

I NEVER said they make ALL the difference. But you DID imply that anyone can go and blitz effectively, regardless of their physical qualities. So your argument about Boss Bailey is bullshit.

If the Lions are gonna blitz effectively, they need players who can play in coverage AND are athletic enough to get to the QB effectively.

BTW, did you notice how easily Sproles beat our LBs one on one? He's not doing that to Bowman and Willis.

sproles had 15 catches for over 100 yards receiving... wtf are u talking about?

He had a ton of short catches. For a while, he wasn't breaking anything. 15 for 119yds is not a great average considering he had a huge play. They were containing him.

But anyways, I made that post earlier. The niners started blitzing and putting a safety on him, and he made plays......watch his big play td. See if Willis or Bowman was on him. No idea why they switched and put a safety on him, but Sproles was pretty well contained for most of the game.