Zimmerman arrested again

[tigersofjustice]

you mean the teenager who was suspended for fighting and possession of drugs at school who assaulted George Zimmerman? The Trayvon Martin whose cell phone had text messages indicating he was selling guns, pictures showing him flashing gang signs and smoking dope. This is the sweet, innocent skittles loving teenager?

Yeah, he was a thug. OK?

OH MY GOD!?!?! A teenager did some drugs and got in a fight!!!?!?!

Clearly he's a thug. Him and about 50% of all other teenagers in the world.

Just be careful not to hit any of them while you vigorously shake your old man walker in their direction as they pass you in the mall with their low riding jeans.

If you mistakenly hit one, some other crotchety old man might throw you in the 'thug' category too.

And by the way, if you wouldn't try to kick the ass of somebody creepily following you through a neighborhood, I'm going to go ahead and call you a liar.

 

[Spartanmack]

OH MY GOD!?!?! A teenager did some drugs and got in a fight!!!?!?!

Clearly he's a thug. Him and about 50% of all other teenagers in the world.

Just be careful not to hit any of them while you vigorously shake your old man walker in their direction as they pass you in the mall with their low riding jeans.

If you mistakenly hit one, some other crotchety old man might throw you in the 'thug' category too.

And by the way, if you wouldn't try to kick the ass of somebody creepily following you through a neighborhood, I'm going to go ahead and call you a liar.

Calling me an old man definitely proves Martin isn't a thug - thanks for clearing that up w/ a little name calling. Which is it, am I an old man in a walker or am I one of the 100% of people you think would pick a fight with a creepy guy following them around a neighborhood? Or do old men in walkers pick fights w/ thugs on a regular basis?

 

[tigersofjustice]

Calling me an old man definitely proves Martin isn't a thug - thanks for clearing that up w/ a little name calling. Which is it, am I an old man in a walker or am I one of the 100% of people you think would pick a fight with a creepy guy following them around a neighborhood? Or do old men in walkers pick fights w/ thugs on a regular basis?

You are using a lot of speculation about Martin's drug habits and a real reach involving guns to label him a thug. Meanwhile you ignore actual run ins with law enforcement by Zimmerman and continue to defend him for god knows what reason.

I think I have more than enough to 'name call' with certain other adjectives but I'll leave that alone. It is clear you believe what you want to believe. You have more objective evidence to label Zimmerman a 'thug' at this point, unless you consider being young, black, and wearing your pants low justification for that label.

 

[Spartanmack]

No, I use facts about Martin's past as a troublemaker - there's no speculation there. And I'm sticking to the facts in the case as well. Did you read the 911 transcript? Or just the media's take in a couple Slate articles? And every incident involving George Zimmerman starts w/ the Martin case - he had no history of violence or criminal activity whatsoever prior to the run in w/ Martin. And since then he's received countless death threats, had celebrities and race baiters post his address and the address of his parents online, has had to move, and go into hiding. He's been pushed pretty far and pretty hard. Again, it's funny how Trayvon's past history isn't relevant but now, after being pushed to the brink and scrutinized more than most celebrities, he's had a couple issues (by the way, one of those incidents, the accuser recanted) and you say his behavior proves he's a violent criminal.

 

[Monster]

sorry to hear that but is that what happened here? As for Zimmerman's past, he has no history of violence or arrest prior to the Martin case and since then, has received countless death threats and has to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes. Interesting that people like you say Martin's thuggish behavior has nothing to do with how things went down that unfortunate evening but you have no problem identifying a pattern of violent behavior with Zimmerman, who like I said, has been dealing w/ death threats and walking around with a target on his back, and condemning him based on it. Makes a lot of sense and gives you a lot of credibility.

There's a simple difference between Martin and Brown. Martin wasn't doing anything wrong at the time and found himself being followed by a strange man who absolutely was not a cop. Whose fault is it when a stalker gets his ass kicked by the one being stalked? Brown had just within minutes strong armed and robbed a store. As he walked out, he had absolutely no fear. A cop approached him and he cursed at and became violent with him. Simply put, the officer was right to follow Brown because of his actions and demeanor. Zimmerman should have stayed away from Martin after calling 911 and let the police handle Martin, if there was anything to handle.


Martin = Zimmerman's fault for not obeying orders and taking the law into his own hand. Maybe Martin could have confronted him without getting physical, but I absolutely understand going on offense before his stalker had the chance to do something.

Brown = Brown's fault for not obeying orders and becoming physical with the officer. I

 

[tinselwolverine]

you mean the teenager who was suspended for fighting and possession of drugs at school who assaulted George Zimmerman? The Trayvon Martin whose cell phone had text messages indicating he was selling guns, pictures showing him flashing gang signs and smoking dope. This is the sweet, innocent skittles loving teenager?

Yeah, he was a thug. OK?

Dude, I don't get you here.

Tray wasn't being a thug that night...and Zimmerman had never been appointed by us, the people, or in this instance the people of the State of Florida, to go as far as Zimmerman went in his concern regarding Trayvon's thuggishness, or lack thereof - specifically, the paid employee of the government told Zimmerman DO NOT pursue the individual; the police will handle this.

Whatever Trayvon did at school or did on his cellphone was not Zimmerman's business; nor would Zimmerman have known anything about it at the time.

I am astonished that folks who would give the benefit of the doubt to the actions of the sworn law enforcement of Ferguson MO and the City of New York to allow a pig like George Zimmerman to be held up as the equivalent.

 

[zyxt9]

Spot on Monster, great post.

 

[zyxt9]

Dude, I don't get you here.

Tray wasn't being a thug that night...and Zimmerman had never been appointed by us, the people, or in this instance the people of the State of Florida, to go as far as Zimmerman went in his concern regarding Trayvon's thuggishness, or lack thereof - specifically, the paid employee of the government told Zimmerman DO NOT pursue the individual; the police will handle this.

Whatever Trayvon did at school or did on his cellphone was not Zimmerman's business; nor would Zimmerman have known anything about it at the time.

I am astonished that folks who would give the benefit of the doubt to the actions of the sworn law enforcement of Ferguson MO and the City of New York to allow a pig like George Zimmerman to be held up as the equivalent.

Just want to specify there are some who consider Wilson's actions appropriate but not the actions or inactions of the FPD that followed, nor find the NYPD to have acted appropriately.

 

[Spartanmack]

Dude, I don't get you here.

Tray wasn't being a thug that night...and Zimmerman had never been appointed by us, the people, or in this instance the people of the State of Florida, to go as far as Zimmerman went in his concern regarding Trayvon's thuggishness, or lack thereof - specifically, the paid employee of the government told Zimmerman DO NOT pursue the individual; the police will handle this.

Whatever Trayvon did at school or did on his cellphone was not Zimmerman's business; nor would Zimmerman have known anything about it at the time.

I am astonished that folks who would give the benefit of the doubt to the actions of the sworn law enforcement of Ferguson MO and the City of New York to allow a pig like George Zimmerman to be held up as the equivalent.

Whoa - I'm not saying Zimmerman killed trayvon because trayvon was a thug or that being a thug is a crime worthy of the death penalty. I'm saying Trayvon's thuggish behavior got him in an easily avoidable confrontation that I believe he initiated and unfortunately it cost him his life. If you read the transcript of the call, Zimmerman did not pursue Martin after losing sight of him. He got out of his truck to look for an address and street name to direct police to meet him when Martin came out of nowhere and assaulted him. During the assault the rather wimpy Zimmerman was getting his head bashed against the sidewalk - people die in fights that don't involve weapons pretty frequently. Zimmerman drew his licensed weapon and shot the kid in self defense. Tragically, Trayvon died from his wounds but three law enforcement agencies including the FBI investigated the incident and came to the same conclusion - it was self defense. I'm not ascribing any duties or privileges of duly appointed law enforcement officers to Zimmerman. I'm saying he acted in self defense and quite possibly saved his own life that night.

 

[Spartanmack]

There's a simple difference between Martin and Brown. Martin wasn't doing anything wrong at the time and found himself being followed by a strange man who absolutely was not a cop. Whose fault is it when a stalker gets his ass kicked by the one being stalked? Brown had just within minutes strong armed and robbed a store. As he walked out, he had absolutely no fear. A cop approached him and he cursed at and became violent with him. Simply put, the officer was right to follow Brown because of his actions and demeanor. Zimmerman should have stayed away from Martin after calling 911 and let the police handle Martin, if there was anything to handle.


Martin = Zimmerman's fault for not obeying orders and taking the law into his own hand. Maybe Martin could have confronted him without getting physical, but I absolutely understand going on offense before his stalker had the chance to do something.

Brown = Brown's fault for not obeying orders and becoming physical with the officer. I

It's the fault of the person that commits the assault. Always. Period. Nobody has a right to preemptively assault someone they think is following them - the law is clear on that. And it's never been established that Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin after he lost site of him. The evidence, testimony and 911 call tend to corroborate Zimmerman's story that he got out of his car to look for an address and street name to give to police when he was surprised and assaulted by Martin.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Why do people have to label these things as being one person's fault or the other? You get parts of a story from biased witnesses filtered through media looking to boost ratings and you want to decide which party was right and which was wrong and fight over any suggestion that the party you decided was in the right could have also made some bad decisions.

 

[Gulo Blue]

You 2nd Amendment freaks & Republitards sure know how to pick your martyrs and heroes... link.

I thought he was a registered democrat.

 

[Michchamp]

Whoa - I'm not saying Zimmerman killed trayvon because trayvon was a thug or that being a thug is a crime worthy of the death penalty. I'm saying Trayvon's thuggish behavior got him in an easily avoidable confrontation that I believe he initiated and unfortunately it cost him his life. If you read the transcript of the call, Zimmerman did not pursue Martin after losing sight of him. He got out of his truck to look for an address and street name to direct police to meet him when Martin came out of nowhere and assaulted him. During the assault the rather wimpy Zimmerman was getting his head bashed against the sidewalk - people die in fights that don't involve weapons pretty frequently. Zimmerman drew his licensed weapon and shot the kid in self defense. Tragically, Trayvon died from his wounds but three law enforcement agencies including the FBI investigated the incident and came to the same conclusion - it was self defense. I'm not ascribing any duties or privileges of duly appointed law enforcement officers to Zimmerman. I'm saying he acted in self defense and quite possibly saved his own life that night.

This is of course all Zimmerman's side of the story.

Or were you there? I didn't realize you were there...

It's the fault of the person that commits the assault. Always. Period. Nobody has a right to preemptively assault someone they think is following them - the law is clear on that.
...

"Now let's turn to Fox News Legal Correspondent & Total Dipshit Spartanvag, to discuss Florida criminal law..."

 

[Michchamp]

You are aware there is a difference between an 'acquittal' and being 'innocent'? A substantial difference that seems very lost on the ill informed.

Without sifting through all the evidence, there are more than a few curious things that occured.

the most obvious, shocking, and insane thing is that the police let Zimmerman go... and sat on their "investigation" for two weeks before even turning it over to the state's attorney.

that's really what the protest and outrage was about; what the police did here was not normal. The DA decides whether to press charges or not, not the police. And the DA's office should be involved ASAP.

It took a nationwide protest to get them to do their jobs.

Of course dumb, racist conservatives didn't understand any of this... for them it was all about a black guy getting killed by a white guy, and they rushed to post all sorts of stories of anecdotes about black on white crimes, as though that excused the lack of action from the police & DA here. You can see how they really perceive the world: for them it IS a race war, not any sort of struggle against institutionalized discrimination against African Americans by the police. They have a hard time even acknowledging that the latter is an issue.

Now in hindsight, it's even more insane they'd rush to take Zimmerman's side, given his behavior since then. He doesn't seem to be a decent human being, let alone one who would tell the truth when his ass is on the line.

I thought he was a registered democrat.

Immaterial. see above.

 

[Spartanmack]

This is of course all Zimmerman's side of the story.

Or were you there? I didn't realize you were there...

And the 911 transcript, plus witness testimony that in no way contradicts Zimmerman's accounting.

And nothing in your post disproves anything, just more grandstanding and name calling from everyone's favorite libtard idiot. Or were you there? I didn't realize you were there...

"Now let's turn to Fox News Legal Correspondent & Total Dipshit Spartanvag, to discuss Florida criminal law..."

Am I wrong? Is there something in the Florida statutes that says you have a legal right to pre-emptively assault someone who is not posing a threat to you? You are such a hack - all you ever do is hurl these pompous dickhead insults without making any point of fact to disprove anything anyone says. Clearly, you're one of those hateful, angry assholes that thinks you win arguments by being the loudest and most obnoxious. It's like arguing w/ a bratty spoiled child.

 

[Spartanmack]

Of course dumb, racist conservatives didn't understand any of this... for them it was all about a black guy getting killed by a white guy, and they rushed to post all sorts of stories of anecdotes about black on white crimes, as though that excused the lack of action from the police & DA here. You can see how they really perceive the world: for them it IS a race war, not any sort of struggle against institutionalized discrimination against African Americans by the police. They have a hard time even acknowledging that the latter is an issue.

Nothing but lies, every word of it. This was NEVER about race for those defending Zimmerman defending himself. And it wouldn't be about race at all if liberal dipshits in the media reported the facts, but they so desperately needed this to be about race so idiots like you could shout racism and think that proves your point. They even had to make up the term "white hispanic" - a term that makes absolutely no sense and doesn't apply to Zimmerman who always identified as hispanic.

 

[Gulo Blue]

for them it was all about a black guy getting killed by a white guy, and they rushed to post all sorts of stories of anecdotes about black on white crimes, as though that excused the lack of action from the police & DA here.

This is a really horrible view of people. No doubt it applies to some, I'm not saying it doesn't. But part of the reason there are as many (or seems to be as many) that think this way as there are is because of the constant exposure and the way media makes it an us/them argument all the time. I don't know what the solution is, but steering the conversation in this direction is part of the problem, regardless of whether it's done from a advocating or adversarial point of view.

 

[Michchamp]

Nothing but lies, every word of it. This was NEVER about race for those defending Zimmerman defending himself. And it wouldn't be about race at all if liberal dipshits in the media reported the facts, but they so desperately needed this to be about race so idiots like you could shout racism and think that proves your point. They even had to make up the term "white hispanic" - a term that makes absolutely no sense and never existed before this unfortunate case.

Facts?

Here are the facts... Zimmerman, packing heat, stalked an unarmed black kid, despite being instructed not to by the 911 operator, then something happened, no one except Zimmerman & Martin (and Martin's dead) had any idea what that was, then Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

And the police simply took his word for it and let him go, and only two weeks later, turned the case over to the DA's who finally filed charges against Zimmerman AFTER the FBI, DOJ, and Florida state authorities all got involved, in what should have been a simple local murder investigation & case. This was all highly irregular. Compare and contrast the situation in this thread, with the conduct of the Sanford PD. Making a self-defense claim in a situation where only one side was armed is tough enough, even in Florida, but to simply let a guy go in a situation where the armed side went out of their way to put themselves in the situation in the first place is even more insane. This stands centuries of English-American criminal law on its head. Fortunately not everyone is as insane as George Zimmerman, and the rest of the country is not as idiotic as Florida.

Do you honestly believe race was not a factor in the negligent conduct of the Sanford PD here?

I'm trying to understand why you think it's a lie that racial prejudice & disparate treatment of the killing of a black kid was not an issue. I remember reading a number of articles attacking Martin for basically being a black teenager (you fucking did it yourself in this thread!) to excuse the lack of investigation & why Zimmerman's story is credible, and similarly, idiots posted articles about black-on-white crimes... even though in every case, those who committed the crimes were arrested and charged within a couple days... conspicuously unlike Zimmerman...

 

[Michchamp]

This is a really horrible view of people. No doubt it applies to some, I'm not saying it doesn't. But part of the reason there are as many (or seems to be as many) that think this way as there are is because of the constant exposure and the way media makes it an us/them argument all the time. I don't know what the solution is, but steering the conversation in this direction is part of the problem, regardless of whether it's done from a advocating or adversarial point of view.

The media - some media - often portrays African Americans in these situations as angry, reactionary, ready to riot at a moment's notice.

This contributes to the us v. them narrative.

They of course, spend a lot less time examining WHY these people may be so angry...

Note: there were no riots after Zimmerman was acquitted.

 

[Gulo Blue]

And the police simply took his word for it and let him go, and only two weeks later, turned the case over to the DA's who finally filed charges against Zimmerman AFTER the FBI, DOJ, and Florida state authorities all got involved, in what should have been a simple local murder investigation & case. This was all highly irregular. Compare and contrast the situation in this thread, with the conduct of the Sanford PD.

Do you honestly believe race was not a factor in the negligent conduct of the Sanford PD here?

Of course, that made up about 1% of what people actually talked about/what the media focused on.