Zimmerman To Be Charged

[tinselwolverine]

The few actual criminal trials I have seen or been a juror on, I found this about the police to be resoundingly true. I have even seen them embellish their story a bit to make the accused seem more guilty. Do they have their own agenda here?

Well sure, it would make sense that cops who testify in criminal trials are generally called as witnesses against their own collars.

It would follow that cops would want to see their own collars convicted.

On top of that, likely cops have had to investigate cases before coming to the conclusion that the person who ended up being charged was the perp; which would have been an investment in time and emotion, etc.

 

[Michchamp]

The few actual criminal trials I have seen or been a juror on, I found this about the police to be resoundingly true. I have even seen them embellish their story a bit to make the accused seem more guilty. Do they have their own agenda here?

I think so. If Zimmerman is convicted, then they look racist and bad, or at best, lazy and incompetent for not referring him immediately to the DA for murder charges, instead of letting him walk home scott-free like they did.

but if Zimmerman is acquitted, then they can point to the result to justify their own actions, or lack thereof.

I think the police chief temporarily stepped down after the public outrage compelled the state to come in and press for charges. If there's an acquittal, he can get his job back, and the whole force can go out for donuts. and heroes like Zimmmerman can safely resume patrolling the hood.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Man, I sure hope the court is going to be closed tomorrow...I miss watching my cable news channels...

 

[redandguilty]

They tried to skype with a witness, the skype name was broadcast and the withness was bombarded with random call requests.

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-fl...ny/-/14266478/20822372/-/133kk29/-/index.html

 

[Michchamp]

internet trolls interrupted a witness's skype testimony, link.

the law profession has had a rough time getting up to speed with all the new-fangled technology, "social media," and interwebs in general, but we're fast learners.

 

[redandguilty]

internet trolls interrupted a witness's skype testimony, link.

the law profession has had a rough time getting up to speed with all the new-fangled technology, "social media," and interwebs in general, but we're fast learners.

That was close. I beat you two that post by just 2 days.

 

[Michchamp]

That was close. I beat you two that post by just 2 days.

dang. no offense, but I didn't even read your post.

 

[Michchamp]

the defense moved for a judgment based on the evidence, i.e. that based on what was presented at trial, there is insufficient evidence to support a guilty verdict, which the judge denied... so it goes to the jury.

it's tough to find a law blog on the case that doesn't seem to lean heavily one way or the other. even the basic question of whether the physical evidence supports Zimmerman's account isn't clear, although it seems both sides agree there was none of Zimmerman's DNA on Martin's hands or jacket. and there was none of Martin's DNA on Zimmerman's gun, which would've been the case if he had really tried to grab it as Zimmerman claimed.

 

[redandguilty]

dang. no offense, but I didn't even read your post.

None taken. It's just a funny back-to-back series of posts.

90% of what's out there regarding this case isn't really about this case anymore anyway. It's about reacting to how everyone else is reacting.

 

[redandguilty]

I had forgotten that Martin's dad originally said the voice wasn't Martin.

 

[Michchamp]

I had forgotten that Martin's dad originally said the voice wasn't Martin.

i was surprised the voice expert couldn't confirm one way or the other at trial.

cop dramas, especially those CSI shows, really do blind us into thinking cops & their technology are practically unstoppable, when the reality is far far different. And especially so when the police are stupid and/or lazy as apparently in this case, where they don't carefully document the crime scene and preserve the evidence.

 

[redandguilty]

i was surprised the voice expert couldn't confirm one way or the other at trial.

cop dramas, especially those CSI shows, really do blind us into thinking cops & their technology are practically unstoppable, when the reality is far far different. And especially so when the police are stupid and/or lazy as apparently in this case, where they don't carefully document the crime scene and preserve the evidence.

I don't even know how you'd go about doing voice recognition based on a yell or a scream. I could see it if you had a standard set of words in a normal speaking voice, but even then I don't think you'd get the level of certainty appropriate for criminal evidence.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't even know how you'd go about doing voice recognition based on a yell or a scream. I could see it if you had a standard set of words in a normal speaking voice, but even then I don't think you'd get the level of certainty appropriate for criminal evidence.

I guess I figured there would be something unique in a vocal signature they could test for, similar to a fingerprint, that would get them to the level of certainty needed for admissible evidence.

but then again, you're right, they would need a vocal sample available to authenticate it.

or maybe the recording was just bad quality.

 

[redandguilty]

I guess I figured there would be something unique in a vocal signature they could test for, similar to a fingerprint, that would get them to the level of certainty needed for admissible evidence.

but then again, you're right, they would need a vocal sample available to authenticate it.

or maybe the recording was just bad quality.

and cell phone audio goes through a data compression process

 

[tinselwolverine]

Anyway, my prediction is the jury comes back with a conviction of manslaughter.

 

[zyxt9]

Regardless of what the jury finds, the Martin family will undoubtedly sue Zimmerman in a Civil suit designed to ruin his financial future until death. After a few years he might have wished for jail...just ask OJ.

 

[Michchamp]

Regardless of what the jury finds, the Martin family will undoubtedly sue Zimmerman in a Civil suit designed to ruin his financial future until death. After a few years he might have wished for jail...just ask OJ.

uh... I don't know if they will. OJ had money; Zimmerman doesn't.

A lawsuit for wrongful death is "designed" to compensate the deceased's survivors, and I don't see Zimmerman really having enough money to make a lawsuit worthwhile for anyone here.

he is, as we say "judgment proof."

 

[tinselwolverine]

Anyway, CNN reporting that lunch break is about to start for the deliberating jurors.

I wonder if they'll report where they went.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Anyway, CNN reporting that lunch break is about to start for the deliberating jurors.

I wonder if they'll report where they went.

Okay, breaking now on CNN - the jurors are going to stay and have lunch in the jury room; a working lunch as the jurors deliberate and eat at the same time.

Presumably they're having something delivered.

I wonder if CNN will report what they had or are having.

Most likely sandwiches or pizza, I would think.

Chinese or Indian can be a little complicated to eat while focusing on something else.

Hollywood TV show writers have Indian delivered for lunch a lot, but they all have exceptionally dextrous minds.

 

[SpartyNash]

I did not follow one second of this case, just as I did not waste an ounce of my time on Casey Anthony one. Numerous murders a day, yet people latch onto this because it is a minority being murdered by a Latin-ish neighborhood watch guy. If Martin were white or Zimmerman were black you would have literally NEVER even heard of this case most likely. Media tries turning everything into more than it is and sucking viewers in.