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1st 1/2 Cy award

tomdalton22

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From ESPN Jason Stark (Check out stat of starters other than JV)

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8134086/handing-baseball-midseason-awards


Justin Verlander? Again? Well, Kate Upton might think Philip Humber deserves this award. And I have no doubt that I'm about to get tweeted at by every Angels and White Sox fan alive, to inform me that Jered Weaver and/or Chris Sale really, really deserve this award. But after days and days of thinking about this from every angle, I've concluded it isn't as easy to dethrone The Best Pitcher in Baseball as it might appear from afar. Is Verlander having a slightly less dominant year than he had last year? Of course. Do Sale and Weaver have slightly lower ERAs than he does? They do. But if you take in the big picture, it's hard not to factor in the way Verlander welcomes the massive responsibilities of true ace-dom, despite all the heavy lifting it forces him to do to keep his staff and his team afloat. You know what the ERA is this season of Tigers starters who haven't worn a Randy Johnson disguise on TV? It's barely under 5.00 (4.89). Meanwhile, Sale, Weaver and Verlander have almost exactly the same WHIP (0.94 for Weaver, 0.95 for Verlander, 0.96 for Sale). But Verlander has carved out those numbers while facing 173 more hitters than Weaver and 119 more than Sale. So guess which of these men leads the major leagues in starts of eight innings or more? Yep, that would be Verlander, who has done that more times (nine) than Weaver and Sale combined (eight). Now is Verlander as clear a choice this year as last? He's not -- obviously. And are there excellent cases to be made for both Weaver and Sale, two of the most talented pitchers alive? Absotively, there are. So feel free to lobby for your guy. But as for me, I'll still take Cy Verlander.
 
It's a total draw between Weaver, Sale and Verlander, IMHO. My inital reaction was Sale by a hair, but looking at the W/L, ERA, WHIP stats I'd say Weaver by a hair (plus he had the no hitter), then you look at JV and see the strikeouts, the one hitter, and complete games, and IP and I'd lean toward Verlander.

You really can't go wrong with any of them right now. You could also throw some others like Peavy, Wilson, and Price in the discussions.
 
He makes great points about JV and so far JV should be leading. If he has the 2nd half he had last season, its a no-brainer for JV, again.
 
I had Weaver ahead, but his IPs are not even close to the leaders, he's missed a couple starts and he's been protected on some starts. Weaver is going 6.3 innings per start. JV is going 7.4 innings per start and he hasn't missed a start and pitches every 5th day, no mater what. Sales is going 6.4 innings per start in a couple less outings than JV.

Bottom line, you go later in games on a consistent basis, you might have a slightly higher ERA, but you are helping your team more. I'm sure if JV was protected a little more his ERA would be lower and he might have a couple less losses, but he's the ACE and the horse. How many times has JV had to go 8 or 9 to give the BP much needed rest this year? JV also has the worst defense behind him. One thing for sure, JV has a better 2nd half history than either of the other 2 guys.
 
I see he failed to mention Strasburg in anything regarding the NL Cy Young, not sure why. Statistically he's right up there with Dickey and has pitched better than any of those honorable mentions.
 
I see he failed to mention Strasburg in anything regarding the NL Cy Young, not sure why. Statistically he's right up there with Dickey and has pitched better than any of those honorable mentions.

Strasburg has been great, but he's not in the top 30 in his league in IP. He's still being rightfully protected and he'll probably be shut down before the end of the year. His ERA is up to 2.81 too, his ERA is 3.69 since April. Weaver and Strasburg are not horses right now, and when you talk about horses you have to be a guy who eats innings at the same time he puts up numbers like ERA and WHIP near the top of the league.
 
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Strasburg has been great, but he's not in the top 30 in his league in IP. He's still being rightfully protected and he'll probably be shut down before the end of the year. His ERA is up to 2.81 too, his ERA is 3.69 since April. Weaver and Strasburg are not horses right now, and when you talk about horses you have to be a guy who eats innings at the same time he puts up numbers like ERA and WHIP near the top of the league.

I understand....but this list is supposed to be 1st half awards, not a prediction for the rest of the season. I'm just surprised Strasburg wasn't mentioned anywhere.
 
at this point, if you asked Verlander, I don't think he'd say he deserves it.
 
JV has pitched 30 more innings than Weaver or Sale. He's leading as of right now. There is still another half a season to play though...
 
tom dalton blows.

what self respecting pistons fan sucks lebrons dick like he does.

he's a pathetic piece of crap. i can't stand anything he posts.
 
That's a little harsh.

On subject:If close JV should always get it before he's the ultimate horse. He has pitched 30 more innings, by season end it could be 60.
 
tom dalton blows.

what self respecting pistons fan sucks lebrons dick like he does.

he's a pathetic piece of crap. i can't stand anything he posts.

LBJ is the best player in the NBA.

Why are you so upset?
 
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