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2015 Detroit Tigers salaries, options, and contract status

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2015 Detroit Tigers salaries, options, and contract status.
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Here is everything you've wanted to know, and more, about the 2015 Detroit Tigers' roster, their salaries, contract details, and number of options remaining. These details have an impact on what roster moves will be made before and during the 2015 baseball season.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/detroit-tigers/
Cot's Detroit Tigers Contracts.
DETROIT TIGERS
Service time in years & days (through 2014 season).

Michael Ilitch bought the Tigers for $82M in 1992.
Forbes magazine valued the club at $680M in March, 2014.
Bloomberg valued the franchise at $830M in October, 2013.

2015-20 payroll obligations
Payroll obligations for former players:
Prince Fielder: $30M, to be paid 2016-20
 
Stars and Scrubs as they say! Our bench has been abysmal for years now it seems.
 
I think Gose will start more games in CF than Davis so I think Davis will be the bench player.


Are you being optimistic? Because all indications before this year is that Gose is a worse hitter than Romine. You want him starting over Davis?
 
Are you being optimistic? Because all indications before this year is that Gose is a worse hitter than Romine. You want him starting over Davis?

First, yes, I am slightly optimistic. Against RH pitchers, I think he will be better than Davis but never vs. a lefty.
 
MLB PA

Romine in 447 has a .236 BA, .273 OBP and .561 OPS (age 24-28)

Gose in 616 has .234 BA, .301 OBP and .633 OPS (age 21-23)
 
MLB PA

Romine in 447 has a .236 BA, .273 OBP and .561 OPS (age 24-28)

Gose in 616 has .234 BA, .301 OBP and .633 OPS (age 21-23)


Career AAA

Romine 1242 PA .284 BAVG .356 OBP .375 SLG .731 OPS 11.5 PA/BB

Gose 1146 PA .259 BAVG .335 OBP .372 SLG .707 OPS 11.2 PA/BB


Last 3 Years Away

Gose 301 PA .219 BAVG .286 OBP .297 SLG .583 OPS 12.5 PA/BB

Romine 229 PA .226 BAVG .277 OBP .274 SLG .551 OPS 16.4 PA/BB


I get the fact that Gose is much younger. But it isn't like he has excelled at hitting at anyone stop through his journeys and just needs to catch up to where he is at.

Both players have benefited from either hitter parks (TOR) and/or leagues (PCL).

At best, Gose is a .260 BAVG .330 OBP .330 SLG .660 OPS hitter. That isn't something I want to see everyday in the lineup full of holes.
 
No matter how dissatisfied and disappointed we are, we aren't going to get the perfect lineup, or the perfect 25 man roster.

As for Gose, I am kinda optimistic too. They tweaked his stance and swing and in this very small sample size of a week, seems to be working. Of course, it's always adjustments. Batter to pitchers and Pitchers to Batters. Hope here is he can adjust when they pitch him in a way that turns him back into a .220 hitter instead of what he's done this last 7 days.
 
At best, Gose is a .260 BAVG .330 OBP .330 SLG .660 OPS hitter. That isn't something I want to see everyday in the lineup full of holes.

You won't see that every day...just vs. RH pitching. You will be taking out Davis and his .241 / .286 / .619 (vs RH pitching) out of the lineup while providing a huge upgrade in defense.

I don't like that kind of production out of an every day player either....but when DD constructed a team of stars and scrubs...this is what we get.
 
Okay....it's the overwhelming majority.

nitpicker.


Not to mention lineups are set vs. starting pitchers. So while Kinsler got 25% of his AB's vs. LHP, you should only count the ones vs. LHSP as far as this discussion.
 
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Jesus, we have solid offensive production in the corners. I'm not sure Gose can hit, but he might be able to. I remember two years ago, Iglesias was hitting .330 and everyone thought he was a great hitter.A look at his MiL stats told a better story but Minor league stats don't tell the future. A professional talent can make a small adjustment and be good. I didn't think Carlos Gomez was going to be a good hitter. When he was with the twins, he was a decent average hitter with great speed like Michael Bourn. Now he's a 20-20 guy.
 
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Jesus, we have solid offensive production in the corners. I'm not sure Gose can hit, but he might be able to. I remember two years ago, Iglesias was hitting .330 and everyone thought he was a great hitter.A look at his MiL stats told a better story but Minor league stats don't tell the future. A professional talent can make a small adjustment and be good. I didn't think Carlos Gomez was going to be a good hitter. When he was with the twins, he was a decent average hitter with great speed like Michael Bourn. Now he's a 20-20 guy.


I don't believe anyone thought that.

I do remember some arguments about whether or not he would ever get infield base hits again though. :shrug:
 
Jesus, we have solid offensive production in the corners. I'm not sure Gose can hit, but he might be able to. I remember two years ago, Iglesias was hitting .330 and everyone thought he was a great hitter.A look at his MiL stats told a better story but Minor league stats don't tell the future. A professional talent can make a small adjustment and be good. I didn't think Carlos Gomez was going to be a good hitter. When he was with the twins, he was a decent average hitter with great speed like Michael Bourn. Now he's a 20-20 guy.

That is a completely false statement.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/katoh-...r-league-performance-with-minor-league-stats/

http://pages.pomona.edu/~gjc04747/MiLB.pdf

http://www.baseballexaminer.com/faqs/stats_faq.htm

I could link ton more articles citing were minor league and/or past MLB performance can be predictive. For minor leagues, lower levels tend not to be predictive as explained in the PDF file. Yes, age at the various levels come into play, but it isn't like we forget the performance.

I get enough grief on here for my analysis of future performance based on past. Is this an exact science? Of course not. But it is more reliable than "because I said so" or "I believe he will". Statisticians have a history of organized baseball to research and develop theories. Which stats are predictive and which ones aren't. BAVG, in and of itself, only tells you how good a player has hand/eye coordination. Players like Darin Erstad can hit .355 BAVG one year. It doesn't make him a .300 hitter. A player like Alan Trammell can hit 28 Home Runs in a season, and it doesn't make him a HR hitter.

Baseball players, either Minors or Majors, have been playing the game for 15 years or more. You do not change a player from pretty much a .260 hitter into a .300 hitter, unless the ball park is a hitter's park or the player has a "fluke" season. A pitcher does not change control unless there is a overwhelming alteration of his delivery. And even then, his tendency is the revert back to what he had been doing for the past 10-15 years. Hence why coaches are important to spot these changes in mechanics.

Every spring, there is a story of Player A having his stance and/or approach at the plate altered (Brandon Inge, Austin Jackson, Shane Halter, etc, etc). Sometimes with positive results (even if for a short period, or season long). It is harder for pitchers. They can develop another pitch, but the motion and arm angle determine velocity and control. So what happened with Austin Jackson since the 2012 season? Or even since the first half on 2012?

Carlos Gomez did not play in a hitter's park in Minnesota. He goes to Milwaukee and a hitter's park. His away stats while in Milwaukee is well within his Minor League norms, especially AA and AAA. Go figure. go look at some the the Colorado player splits. Or even Texas Rangers. Then go look at San Diego or Seattle player splits. Ball parks and leagues, even in the minors, matter.

Anthony Gose has 1146 Plate Appearances and 3 years at AAA. More than enough for predictive analysis. .259 BAVG .335 OBP .372 SLG .707 OPS His best year was his first at age 21. He has regressed since. Or was it really a regression, considering he played in the PCL (a known hitter's league) that year and the other two were in the IL? Which then makes his .707 OPS in AAA skeptical. He has been well below .700 OPS at the MLB level, despite having played in a hitter's park in Toronto and a hitter's division in the AL East.

Gose Last two Seasons Away (MLB + AAA)

2013 - (305 PA, 77 at MLB) .222 BAVG .279 OBP .324 SLG .603 OPS

2014 - (259 PA, 130 at MLB) .226 BAVG .305 OBP .300 SLG .605 OPS

Lastly, I would dispute the notion we have solid offensive production in the corners. J.D. Martinez, at age 26, has just last year as a solid year. Above Rookie and low A ball, he has great offensive numbers (especially BAVG) with a great walk rate. Yet, for his AAA and MLB numbers, his walk rate has been doubled and his BAVG has been all over the place. Indicating it might be hard for him to repeat that success from last year. I am hopeful he can manage a .800 plus OPS. And until he repeats success, we don't know that 2014 wasn't a fluke.

Cespedes on the other hand has not been anything solid since his rookie season. He has not made any adjustments. He doesn't hit for average. He doesn't take a walk. He hits Home Runs, but not at a rate that is anything spectacular. How is this being solid?

It is one thing to say you are hopeful that the corner OFers will be solid. It is another to flat out to say it as if it is a fact. There is far more evidence to the contrary or at least suggest that the fact is debatable.
 
That is a completely false statement.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/katoh-...r-league-performance-with-minor-league-stats/

http://pages.pomona.edu/~gjc04747/MiLB.pdf

http://www.baseballexaminer.com/faqs/stats_faq.htm

I could link ton more articles citing were minor league and/or past MLB performance can be predictive. For minor leagues, lower levels tend not to be predictive as explained in the PDF file. Yes, age at the various levels come into play, but it isn't like we forget the performance.

I get enough grief on here for my analysis of future performance based on past. Is this an exact science? Of course not. But it is more reliable than "because I said so" or "I believe he will". Statisticians have a history of organized baseball to research and develop theories. Which stats are predictive and which ones aren't. BAVG, in and of itself, only tells you how good a player has hand/eye coordination. Players like Darin Erstad can hit .355 BAVG one year. It doesn't make him a .300 hitter. A player like Alan Trammell can hit 28 Home Runs in a season, and it doesn't make him a HR hitter.

Baseball players, either Minors or Majors, have been playing the game for 15 years or more. You do not change a player from pretty much a .260 hitter into a .300 hitter, unless the ball park is a hitter's park or the player has a "fluke" season. A pitcher does not change control unless there is a overwhelming alteration of his delivery. And even then, his tendency is the revert back to what he had been doing for the past 10-15 years. Hence why coaches are important to spot these changes in mechanics.

Every spring, there is a story of Player A having his stance and/or approach at the plate altered (Brandon Inge, Austin Jackson, Shane Halter, etc, etc). Sometimes with positive results (even if for a short period, or season long). It is harder for pitchers. They can develop another pitch, but the motion and arm angle determine velocity and control. So what happened with Austin Jackson since the 2012 season? Or even since the first half on 2012?

Carlos Gomez did not play in a hitter's park in Minnesota. He goes to Milwaukee and a hitter's park. His away stats while in Milwaukee is well within his Minor League norms, especially AA and AAA. Go figure. go look at some the the Colorado player splits. Or even Texas Rangers. Then go look at San Diego or Seattle player splits. Ball parks and leagues, even in the minors, matter.

Anthony Gose has 1146 Plate Appearances and 3 years at AAA. More than enough for predictive analysis. .259 BAVG .335 OBP .372 SLG .707 OPS His best year was his first at age 21. He has regressed since. Or was it really a regression, considering he played in the PCL (a known hitter's league) that year and the other two were in the IL? Which then makes his .707 OPS in AAA skeptical. He has been well below .700 OPS at the MLB level, despite having played in a hitter's park in Toronto and a hitter's division in the AL East.

Gose Last two Seasons Away (MLB + AAA)

2013 - (305 PA, 77 at MLB) .222 BAVG .279 OBP .324 SLG .603 OPS

2014 - (259 PA, 130 at MLB) .226 BAVG .305 OBP .300 SLG .605 OPS

Lastly, I would dispute the notion we have solid offensive production in the corners. J.D. Martinez, at age 26, has just last year as a solid year. Above Rookie and low A ball, he has great offensive numbers (especially BAVG) with a great walk rate. Yet, for his AAA and MLB numbers, his walk rate has been doubled and his BAVG has been all over the place. Indicating it might be hard for him to repeat that success from last year. I am hopeful he can manage a .800 plus OPS. And until he repeats success, we don't know that 2014 wasn't a fluke.

Cespedes on the other hand has not been anything solid since his rookie season. He has not made any adjustments. He doesn't hit for average. He doesn't take a walk. He hits Home Runs, but not at a rate that is anything spectacular. How is this being solid?

It is one thing to say you are hopeful that the corner OFers will be solid. It is another to flat out to say it as if it is a fact. There is far more evidence to the contrary or at least suggest that the fact is debatable.

Good stuff as usual
 
That is a completely false statement.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/katoh-...r-league-performance-with-minor-league-stats/

http://pages.pomona.edu/~gjc04747/MiLB.pdf

http://www.baseballexaminer.com/faqs/stats_faq.htm

I could link ton more articles citing were minor league and/or past MLB performance can be predictive. For minor leagues, lower levels tend not to be predictive as explained in the PDF file. Yes, age at the various levels come into play, but it isn't like we forget the performance.

I get enough grief on here for my analysis of future performance based on past. Is this an exact science? Of course not. But it is more reliable than "because I said so" or "I believe he will". Statisticians have a history of organized baseball to research and develop theories. Which stats are predictive and which ones aren't. BAVG, in and of itself, only tells you how good a player has hand/eye coordination. Players like Darin Erstad can hit .355 BAVG one year. It doesn't make him a .300 hitter. A player like Alan Trammell can hit 28 Home Runs in a season, and it doesn't make him a HR hitter.

Baseball players, either Minors or Majors, have been playing the game for 15 years or more. You do not change a player from pretty much a .260 hitter into a .300 hitter, unless the ball park is a hitter's park or the player has a "fluke" season. A pitcher does not change control unless there is a overwhelming alteration of his delivery. And even then, his tendency is the revert back to what he had been doing for the past 10-15 years. Hence why coaches are important to spot these changes in mechanics.

Every spring, there is a story of Player A having his stance and/or approach at the plate altered (Brandon Inge, Austin Jackson, Shane Halter, etc, etc). Sometimes with positive results (even if for a short period, or season long). It is harder for pitchers. They can develop another pitch, but the motion and arm angle determine velocity and control. So what happened with Austin Jackson since the 2012 season? Or even since the first half on 2012?

Carlos Gomez did not play in a hitter's park in Minnesota. He goes to Milwaukee and a hitter's park. His away stats while in Milwaukee is well within his Minor League norms, especially AA and AAA. Go figure. go look at some the the Colorado player splits. Or even Texas Rangers. Then go look at San Diego or Seattle player splits. Ball parks and leagues, even in the minors, matter.

Anthony Gose has 1146 Plate Appearances and 3 years at AAA. More than enough for predictive analysis. .259 BAVG .335 OBP .372 SLG .707 OPS His best year was his first at age 21. He has regressed since. Or was it really a regression, considering he played in the PCL (a known hitter's league) that year and the other two were in the IL? Which then makes his .707 OPS in AAA skeptical. He has been well below .700 OPS at the MLB level, despite having played in a hitter's park in Toronto and a hitter's division in the AL East.

Gose Last two Seasons Away (MLB + AAA)

2013 - (305 PA, 77 at MLB) .222 BAVG .279 OBP .324 SLG .603 OPS

2014 - (259 PA, 130 at MLB) .226 BAVG .305 OBP .300 SLG .605 OPS

Lastly, I would dispute the notion we have solid offensive production in the corners. J.D. Martinez, at age 26, has just last year as a solid year. Above Rookie and low A ball, he has great offensive numbers (especially BAVG) with a great walk rate. Yet, for his AAA and MLB numbers, his walk rate has been doubled and his BAVG has been all over the place. Indicating it might be hard for him to repeat that success from last year. I am hopeful he can manage a .800 plus OPS. And until he repeats success, we don't know that 2014 wasn't a fluke.

Cespedes on the other hand has not been anything solid since his rookie season. He has not made any adjustments. He doesn't hit for average. He doesn't take a walk. He hits Home Runs, but not at a rate that is anything spectacular. How is this being solid?

It is one thing to say you are hopeful that the corner OFers will be solid. It is another to flat out to say it as if it is a fact. There is far more evidence to the contrary or at least suggest that the fact is debatable.

This is good information. Thanks for posting it, because I don't have the patience for stuff like this.

I do have a question. What about improvement? I realize that major leaguers by and large are older than their counterparts in other sports. The NFL is loaded with 22 and 23 year olds, and the NBA skews even younger than that. Maybe I am answering my own question. Is the assumption made that improvement stops by the time they reach MLB because they tend closer to mid 20's than early 20's on average?

The argument is that outside of a season here or there which is an anomaly, a player is who he is. At what age does he become who he is?
 
This is good information. Thanks for posting it, because I don't have the patience for stuff like this.

I do have a question. What about improvement? I realize that major leaguers by and large are older than their counterparts in other sports. The NFL is loaded with 22 and 23 year olds, and the NBA skews even younger than that. Maybe I am answering my own question. Is the assumption made that improvement stops by the time they reach MLB because they tend closer to mid 20's than early 20's on average?

The argument is that outside of a season here or there which is an anomaly, a player is who he is. At what age does he become who he is?


Peak years are from 26-30 (or 26-32 in some studies). The reason there is the disparity is the subset used. If you use all players that played 5 years or more, the peak years are from 26-32. If you use all players, even if they just got a cup of coffee, the peak is 26-30.

Depending on how long a player spent in the minors and what age he played at, then he pretty much will see peak years relative to what he did at advance levels. Rarely, although it happens, does a player improve upon his walk rate. This is because minor league pitchers tend to be less accurate, thus skewing the data.

Physical maturity happens later as well. Unlike other sports, baseball is a thinking game. The frontal lobe stops developing around 25. So a player can learn and develop up until then. But more often than not, a player is who he is at age 24-25. They stop being a "prospect" after that.

There technically isn't any "late bloomers". They either have "fluke" season(s) or they were never given a fair shot in the first place. Or a combination of the two. Occasionally, you get someone like Luis Gonzalez who has his stance altered in a way that turns him from an average OFer, into an All Star. Of course, going to a hitter's park in Arizona helped as well.

Bottom line, regardless if someone was drafted at 18 out of high school or 22 out of college, by 24 or 25, you basically know what you have. The common saying is that it takes about 5-7 years to accurately evaluate a draft in baseball. It is far less in the NHL, NBA or NFL.
 
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