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[Michchamp]

. . . and of course you have Bush quoted somewhere as saying that God told him to invade Iraq, right? Weak argument.

Link.

 

[Michchamp]

Link.

there are other confirmations, if you have any quibbles with that particular one. just starting googling "god told me to invade..." and voila.

 

[KAWDUP]

well, who knows what sort of scary repercussions anti-colonialism could have in practice?

I mean... I could see Obama trying to throw the French out of Indo-china, and issuing a trade embargo against the Dutch East Indies.

The prices of cloves and nutmeg would skyrocket!

No, but it might cause him to apologize for America, send the bust of Winston Churchill back to England, or even weaken the bond between the US and Israel.

Small potatoes really, at least according to you, but maybe one might begin to see a pattern.

 

[KAWDUP]

there are other confirmations, if you have any quibbles with that particular one. just starting googling "god told me to invade..." and voila.

hearsay of course. Find me one where he admits to saying that. If not it didn't happen.

 

[Michchamp]

hearsay of course. Find me one where he admits to saying that. If not it didn't happen.

no. it may have happened, you just won't accept the evidence provided.

 

[Michchamp]

it's sad that even though the GOP has 4 years of obama's record to go on, which - unless you're simply a partisan hater - really should be all the evidence with which to base your decision on him at this point, they're still trotting out the thinly veiled racism inherent in the "obama is DIFFERENT than real Americans like you and me" line of attacks.

But I guess that's smart: the dumbass racists that would vote based on stuff like that aren't going to actually fact check anything, and recycling signs, slogans and columns from 2008 is a cheap way to shore up the voting base.

 

[redandguilty]

it's sad that even though the GOP has 4 years of obama's record to go on, which - unless you're simply a partisan hater - really should be all the evidence with which to base your decision on him at this point, they're still trotting out the thinly veiled racism inherent in the "obama is DIFFERENT than real Americans like you and me" line of attacks.

But I guess that's smart: the dumbass racists that would vote based on stuff like that aren't going to actually fact check anything, and recycling signs, slogans and columns from 2008 is a cheap way to shore up the voting base.

Not all of 'em. Karl Rove knows better. He's pushing ads saying if you're kids can't find a job after getting a college degree and have to move back in with you, it's Obama's fault.

 

[KAWDUP]

it's sad that even though the GOP has 4 years of obama's record to go on, which - unless you're simply a partisan hater - really should be all the evidence with which to base your decision on him at this point, they're still trotting out the thinly veiled racism inherent in the "obama is DIFFERENT than real Americans like you and me" line of attacks.

But I guess that's smart: the dumbass racists that would vote based on stuff like that aren't going to actually fact check anything, and recycling signs, slogans and columns from 2008 is a cheap way to shore up the voting base.

What's really sad, is that that is merely a continuation of the campaign run against every incumbent POS for the last 40+ years.

. . . or that there is equal numbers on both sides of the aisle that vote based on stuff like this that aren't going to fact check anything.

Sorry that you are so sad.

 

[Michchamp]

What's really sad, is that that is merely a continuation of the campaign run against every incumbent POS for the last 40+ years.

. . . or that there is equal numbers on both sides of the aisle that vote based on stuff like this that aren't going to fact check anything.

Sorry that you are so sad.

does anyone here actually believe the dems used this in '04? That's ridiculous.

 

[Michchamp]

does anyone here actually believe the dems used this in '04? That's ridiculous.

since LBJ, race-baiting politics has been more or less completely a GOP phenomenon.

I guess, when Rush Limbaugh laughs as a caller compares Obama to a monkey, or any of that sort of awfulness, it doesn't make all republican voters racist... but the rest of the GOP sure doesn't do squat to distance themselves for it. No, they're counting the votes.

and of course... they still love to play the victim when learning that they don't poll well with minorities. Why not? by definition you can still bring home 51% of the vote without them.

 

[KAWDUP]

does anyone here actually believe the dems used this in '04? That's ridiculous.

Well instead of "dumbass racists", they would just be replaced by liberals in your argument. I seem to remember that "liberal" had a negative connotation for that election. They most certainly did run the campign that way, when all they needed was GW's previous record. As I recall it wasn't thinly veiled racism, but definitely "Bush is DIFFERENT than real Americans like you and me" line of attacks were on the table.

Ridiculous as a war.

 

[KAWDUP]

since LBJ, race-baiting politics has been more or less completely a GOP phenomenon.

I guess, when Rush Limbaugh laughs as a caller compares Obama to a monkey, or any of that sort of awfulness, it doesn't make all republican voters racist... but the rest of the GOP sure doesn't do squat to distance themselves for it. No, they're counting the votes.

and of course... they still love to play the victim when learning that they don't poll well with minorities. Why not? by definition you can still bring home 51% of the vote without them.

I wasn't talking about race baiting, I was talking about the extent of lies and deceit one party uses to get the various factions of their party to vote the party line. Try to deny that one Kemosabi.

 

[redandguilty]

Try to deny that one Kemosabi.

 

[KAWDUP]

:*)

In what respect? Prejudiced against side-kicks?

 

[redandguilty]

:*)

In what respect? Prejudiced against side-kicks?

from wiktionary: The use of this term is mildly offensive among English-speaking Latinos, who see use of the term on the original television serial as fawning and toadiness on the part of Tonto (whose name means "stupid" in Spanish).

...of course, I'm mostly just trying to show my support for the idea that anyone that supports anything conservative does so because he is racist.

 

[Michchamp]

...

...of course, I'm mostly just trying to show my support for the idea that anyone that supports anything conservative does so because he is racist.

so... are you extremely concerned that the "anti-colonialist views" Obama inherited from his father (to the extent such things are heritable, and assuming Obama never questioned anything anyone told him ever in his life and wholly incorporated it into his worldview), or merely strongly concerned?

 

[KAWDUP]

so... are you extremely concerned that the "anti-colonialist views" Obama inherited from his father (to the extent such things are heritable, and assuming Obama never questioned anything anyone told him ever in his life and wholly incorporated it into his worldview), or merely strongly concerned?

Did you see the movie?

 

[KAWDUP]

from wiktionary: The use of this term is mildly offensive among English-speaking Latinos, who see use of the term on the original television serial as fawning and toadiness on the part of Tonto (whose name means "stupid" in Spanish).

...of course, I'm mostly just trying to show my support for the idea that anyone that supports anything conservative does so because he is racist.

I apologize to all English-speaking Latinos, who might have been offended by my comments.

Quick question though: Why would a comment about the name of an American Indian in a TV show get Latinos upset at how he was portrayed? Not seeing the exact connection, but my apology stands. :*)

 

[redandguilty]

so... are you extremely concerned that the "anti-colonialist views" Obama inherited from his father (to the extent such things are heritable, and assuming Obama never questioned anything anyone told him ever in his life and wholly incorporated it into his worldview), or merely strongly concerned?

Nope, not at all concerned. I just married someone that allegedly supports slavery because she likes living in North Carolina.

 

[redandguilty]

I apologize to all English-speaking Latinos, who might have been offended by my comments.

Quick question though: Why would a comment about the name of an American Indian in a TV show get Latinos upset at how he was portrayed? Not seeing the exact connection, but my apology stands. :*)

Could be that it has a racial element to it and is pretty much only used in a mildly derogatory fashion. I just think it's important that we throw that accusation at each other as much as possible.