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[KAWDUP]

so... are you extremely concerned that the "anti-colonialist views" Obama inherited from his father (to the extent such things are heritable, and assuming Obama never questioned anything anyone told him ever in his life and wholly incorporated it into his worldview), or merely strongly concerned?

Depends on whether you believe he incorporated it (in whole or in part) into his worldview or not. Some evidence is there.

In the words of a famous poster on these boards:
<<it may have happened, you just won't accept the evidence provided.>>

Now who would say that?

 

[redandguilty]

I'll admit that I don't know squat about Obama's father's influence on Obama beyond knowing the title of his book, but without knowing squat, I think there's a "can't have it both ways" element to the Obama criticisms. If he has a deep-seated anti-colonialist belief, then he isn't in Wall St.'s pockets "just like the rest of 'em".

 

[KAWDUP]

Now I would say, it depends on which devil you are willing to deal with to get elected. Money talks. You can't push an agenda (good or bad) unless you are in office in the first place. :*)

The movie implies/alleges deep-seated beliefs, but I tend to believe that it just portrays another facet of his life to help explain some of his motivations for some of his actions. Of course these actions can be spun by both parties (and they are), but I don't care what Champ believes about my motivation for bringing it up, there is a human side of this that is intriguing to me. Champ can put all the words he wants into my mouth, but it doesn't change my own motivation.

He loves to make a leap of logic about where I am headed with my argument or my reason for bringing something up, and then argues against what he believes to be my next conclusions.

It still remains, I think Obama's father did have a profound affect on his life, and some of that is manifested in his vision for America.

 

[Michchamp]

was thinking about this further... presenting "anti-colonialism" as some sort of problem American voters should be concerned about is racist as fuck.

you might as well come out and say "niggers, slopes, spics, gooks and indians need to accept the white man as their ruler, and if they don't, it's wrong and they are bad, and we should be concerned, i.e. we can justify using violence, rape, murder, slavery, torture and starvation - the tools of the trade from 1492 to the 1960's - to put them back in their place." that's the essence of all this rhetoric. that's what it boils down to.

fucking own it man. tsmith does, and he's proud of it.

dinesh d'souza is a slimy toad for writing the tripe he does. what a pathetic excuse for a man.

 

[redandguilty]

was thinking about this further... presenting "anti-colonialism" as some sort of problem American voters should be concerned about is racist as fuck.

you might as well come out and say "niggers, slopes, spics, gooks and indians need to accept the white man as their ruler, and if they don't, it's wrong and they are bad, and we should be concerned, i.e. we can justify using violence, rape, murder, slavery, torture and starvation - the tools of the trade from 1492 to the 1960's - to put them back in their place." that's the essence of all this rhetoric. that's what it boils down to.

fucking own it man. tsmith does, and he's proud of it.

dinesh d'souza is a slimy toad for writing the tripe he does. what a pathetic excuse for a man.

I can see that point of view, but does the movie or whoever is raising the point assert that we should actually worry about anti-colonialism, or is it just saying that Obama's dad's anti-colonialism is a factor in Obama's apparent lack of nationalism. You could hear that, not go through the thought process you just went through, and parrot the idea without having a single racist thought. I guess I can't speak for others, I'm just saying, you're jumping to the worst possible conclusion and convincing yourself that that has to be it.

 

[Michchamp]

Lack of nationalism? Sorry, red, but thats a meaningless bs jingoism if ive ever heard one

 

[byco42]

Let's just say that Obama, in my opinion, has done a piss-poor job of "preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution," during his administration.

 

[Michchamp]

Let's just say that Obama, in my opinion, has done a piss-poor job of "preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution," during his administration.

Cause he has an uppity black father who didnt know his place in the world and had "anti-colonial" values? Or do you mean the erosion of constitutional rights that has occured under his watch? Cause of course u realize that all started under george w w/the patriot act, right?

 

[byco42]

Cause he has an uppity black father who didnt know his place in the world and had "anti-colonial" values? Or do you mean the erosion of constitutional rights that has occured under his watch? Cause of course u realize that all started under george w w/the patriot act, right?

No. I wrote what I wrote. It stands alone. Just read it and move on. I'll add that the republic as we know it actually came to an end in 1913, and O-bow-ma is one in a long line of appeasers. Eisenhower and JFK were the only two presidents who did not play nice, and Eisenhower spoke too late in his term to make a difference and JFK got his brains splayed all over Dealey Plaza.

Since then, there has been a parade of statists who are separated only by degree, and as long as they remain in the acceptable spectrum of government-private balance, they will not be killed. O-bomb-a's needle is pegging the left end of the meter, but it's not in the "Red" zone presently.

 

[tinselwolverine]

the right tried to be "funny" and take down the left in 2008... there's a reason you never heard about it though... it was freaking terrible.

Wow, I didn't know Gary Coleman was in this.

It must have been one of his last movies.

 

[tinselwolverine]

from wiktionary: The use of this term is mildly offensive among English-speaking Latinos, who see use of the term on the original television serial as fawning and toadiness on the part of Tonto (whose name means "stupid" in Spanish).

...of course, I'm mostly just trying to show my support for the idea that anyone that supports anything conservative does so because he is racist.

Where does PETA come down on the whole "Hi-ho Silver!" thing?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Nope, not at all concerned. I just married someone that allegedly supports slavery because she likes living in North Carolina.

What about this chick?

She seems to like living in North Carolina, do you suppose she supports slavery too?

 

[tinselwolverine]

This kid looks a little like Gary Coleman.

 

[Michchamp]

No. I wrote what I wrote. It stands alone. Just read it and move on. I'll add that the republic as we know it actually came to an end in 1913, and O-bow-ma is one in a long line of appeasers. Eisenhower and JFK were the only two presidents who did not play nice, and Eisenhower spoke too late in his term to make a difference and JFK got his brains splayed all over Dealey Plaza.

Since then, there has been a parade of statists who are separated only by degree, and as long as they remain in the acceptable spectrum of government-private balance, they will not be killed. O-bomb-a's needle is pegging the left end of the meter, but it's not in the "Red" zone presently.

OH, ok.

Well, I agree with you, although I'd consider the issue more the erosion of the rule of law, and I'd trace that to Ford's pardon of Nixon (though I'd agree dems and repubs have been more or less equally complicit in all that's gone on since then). I wouldn't go back to income taxes.

I was confused that you'd make that point in this thread, where Red & KAWDUP are trying to sugar coat some obvious race-baiting and racist innuendo as legitimate political discourse.

 

[tinselwolverine]

OH, ok.

Well, I agree with you, although I'd consider the issue more the erosion of the rule of law, and I'd trace that to Ford's pardon of Nixon (though I'd agree dems and repubs have been more or less equally complicit in all that's gone on since then). I wouldn't go back to income taxes.

I was confused that you'd make that point in this thread, where Red & KAWDUP are trying to sugar coat some obvious race-baiting and racist innuendo as legitimate political discourse.

I've noticed the two of you guys look at a lot of things the same way, only from a generally different perspective...

 

[byco42]

OH, ok.

Well, I agree with you, although I'd consider the issue more the erosion of the rule of law, and I'd trace that to Ford's pardon of Nixon (though I'd agree dems and repubs have been more or less equally complicit in all that's gone on since then). I wouldn't go back to income taxes.

The Fed, the Fed, the Fed. When Congress turned over the checkbook, that was the end. The erosion of rule of law? You can go back to the election of 1824. Probably further back than that. Keeping a republic a republic requires a lot more effort and diligence than it does to create it.

 

[TheVictors]

More specifically, "Tonto" translates to mean "foolish" or "fool" moreso than stupid.

Either way, Tonto was hardly a dignified name or charicature ....The word "Keemosabe" seems to be fictional as well, though I have heard it speculated that it is a play on "Quien No Sabe" or loosely, "Who Doesn't Know?" or "Who would know, anyways?" in relation to use of "Tonto."

 

[tinselwolverine]

More specifically, "Tonto" translates to mean "foolish" or "fool" moreso than stupid.

Either way, Tonto was hardly a dignified name or charicature ....The word "Keemosabe" seems to be fictional as well, though I have heard it speculated that it is a play on "Quien No Sabe" or loosely, "Who Doesn't Know?" or "Who would know, anyways?" in relation to use of "Tonto."

I wouldn't say he was completely undignified though...

Wasn't he able to tell how far away a train was by putting his head on the rail?

 

[redandguilty]

What about this chick?

She seems to like living in North Carolina, do you suppose she supports slavery too?

I'm highly doubtful that that's the case. MC, on the other hand, is certain she's a racist fan of slavery. Don't try to argue that you can't be positive she's pro-slavery, or he'll say you're sugar coating slavery.

 

[redandguilty]

Lack of nationalism? Sorry, red, but thats a meaningless bs jingoism if ive ever heard one

I'm not saying I buy into it. Hell, I've argued against it. But I know people that are the types that think liberals are less patriotic and Obama doesn't believe in American exceptionalism which should be a pre-req to be US President. ...and I don't think they're racist, but I do think they could buy into the "anti-colonialism" influences idea.