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2017 Playoffs - Astros electronic sign stealing - Now Astros fire Luhnow and Hinch

LGRW_9 said:
Great call, Bob.

JV said the same thing in the Houston bullpen....."let [Charlie] ride, he's pitching great."
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He was just dealing . Sometimes you just got to leave guys in. After hearing his story ( Morton) with the injuries and seeing Beltran tear up after 20 years trying to win a title. Plus jv's ws struggles. Plus the Astro's never winning one. I am glad the astro's won.
 
Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook(odds winning 2018 WS)

Los Angeles Dodgers 5-1
Cleveland Indians 6-1
Houston Astros 6-1
Washington Nationals 7-1
New York Yankees 8-1
Boston Red Sox 10-1
Chicago Cubs 10-1
New York Mets 20-1
Arizona Diamondbacks 20-1
St. Louis Cardinals 20-1
Tampa Bay Rays 30-1
Toronto Blue Jays 30-1
Seattle Mariners 30-1
Milwaukee Brewers 30-1
Colorado Rockies 40-1
Chicago White Sox 50-1
Los Angeles Angels 50-1
Atlanta Braves 50-1
San Francisco Giants 50-1
Baltimore Orioles 60-1
Texas Rangers 60-1
Miami Marlins 80-1
Pittsburgh Pirates 80-1
Minnesota Twins 80-1
Kansas City Royals 80-1
Oakland Athletics 80-1
Philadelphia Phillies 80-1
Cincinnati Reds 80-1
San Diego Padres 80-1
Detroit Tigers 300-1
 
biggunsbob said:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/24/houston-astros-sports-illustrated-world-series-prediction
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"How about trading for Verlander, even though their metrics didn?t at all favor sacrificing three promising prospects for a 34-year-old with a contract guaranteeing him $28 million a year?"

Erm...that's not "exactly" true, b/c it suddenly made me remember that WE (yeah...including us the Tigers' fans) are still paying almost a third of JV's remaining 2 years on his contract...so even if the emotional part of rooting for him is mostly over, since he now has his WS ring and a much clearer path to the HoF...the financial part still remains...fucking crappy Tigers FO...loolz.
 
turok said:
I rooted hard for Verlander to win his first WS ring, but after this offseason, he is "justin" opposing SP, who I want to lose vs the Tigers when/if he pitches agaist them next season. But given the mostly AAAA lineup(s) that he could face, he might K 15-20 instead. I never rooted as hard for Jack Morris, post(season) Tigers, b/c 1) he won a ring as a Tiger, and 2) he left via FA, not by last-seconds deadline trade.
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iirc, Morris and a few other players were not signed and it was proven that all MLB teams were in collusion against those players.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/23/sports/7-in-baseball-collusion-case-win-free-agency.html
7 in Baseball Collusion Case Win Free Agency.
NYTimes

The new-look free agency part of the remedies could also set a precedent for subsequent grievances and free agents, including Tim Raines, Andre Dawson and Jack Morris from the 1986 group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_collusion#Collusion_II
Major League Baseball collusion. PartII.

https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/is-collusion-to-blame-for-jack-morris-hof-case/
Is Collusion to blame for Jack Morris' HOF Case? from 2010.
Fangraphs/HardballTimes
 
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turok said:
"How about trading for Verlander, even though their metrics didn’t at all favor sacrificing three promising prospects for a 34-year-old with a contract guaranteeing him $28 million a year?"

Erm...that's not "exactly" true, b/c it suddenly made me remember that WE (yeah...including us the Tigers' fans) are still paying almost a third of JV's remaining 2 years on his contract...so even if the emotional part of rooting for him is mostly over, since he now has his WS ring and a much clearer path to the HoF...the financial part still remains...fucking crappy Tigers FO...loolz.
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That's what I am saying . They are heavy into anylitics but also have old school thinking also. It's like do you trade for Verlander or Darvish . I think by the numbers Wasn't Darvish pitching better then Jv at the trade deadline happen? I mean who would you rather have ? Give jv a great defense and some offense and man did he produce.Plus I looked at all 3 prospect we got from Houston. It's not like they gave us the best prospects they have. More about shedding jv's money .
 
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kalinecountry said:
iirc, Morris and a few other players were not signed and it was proven that all MLB teams were in collusion against those players.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/23/sports/7-in-baseball-collusion-case-win-free-agency.html
7 in Baseball Collusion Case Win Free Agency.
NYTimes

The new-look free agency part of the remedies could also set a precedent for subsequent grievances and free agents, including Tim Raines, Andre Dawson and Jack Morris from the 1986 group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_collusion#Collusion_II
Major League Baseball collusion. PartII.

https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/is-collusion-to-blame-for-jack-morris-hof-case/
Is Collusion to blame for Jack Morris' HOF Case? from 2010.
Fangraphs/HardballTimes
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Tom Monaghan was the worst of the Tigers' two pizza-baron owners, and now the third in scion Chris Ilitch ain't looking too hot himself, either.
 
I was definitely thinking to myself last night "since the Tigers were gpnna deal Verlander anyway, and he wanted to go anyway, the Dodgers could've gotten him instead of Darvish..."

Maybe I already posted now that I'm thinking of it...
 
tinselwolverine said:
I was definitely thinking to myself last night "since the Tigers were gpnna deal Verlander anyway, and he wanted to go anyway, the Dodgers could've gotten him instead of Darvish..."

Maybe I already posted now that I'm thinking of it...
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Glad they didn't. Houston was much easier to root for from my perspective.
 
sggatecl said:
Glad they didn't. Houston was much easier to root for from my perspective.
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Yeah....plus Houston had that post natural disaster cachet that LA lacked.
Maybe if SoCal had a 7.5 temblor or higher, then the sympathy factor would have kicked in.

And...$229 million: The Dodgers had the highest payroll in baseball for the fifth straight year, per Spotrac. The Astros ranked No. 17 at $137 million.
 
turok said:
Yeah....plus Houston had that post natural disaster cachet that LA lacked.
Maybe if SoCal had a 7.5 temblor or higher, then the sympathy factor would have kicked in.

And...$229 million: The Dodgers had the highest payroll in baseball for the fifth straight year, per Spotrac. The Astros ranked No. 17 at $137 million.
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I can say I didn't root for the Astros because of a disaster. If it hadn't happened I probably would have hoped for LA. That's messed up in its own right as I hate them.
 
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019...illegal-use-of-technology-to-steal-signs.html
Astros Accused Of Illegal Use Of Technology To Steal Signs.
MLBTR

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2019/1...igers-about-astros-sign-stealing-tactics.html
Mike Fiers says he warned Tigers about Astros? sign-stealing tactics.
Mlive

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28066522/ex-astros-pitcher-mike-fiers-team-stole-signs-camera
Ex-Astros and ex-Tigers pitcher Mike Fiers: Team stole signs with camera.
espn

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...-signs-during-championship-season/2585212001/
Ex-Tiger Mike Fiers: Astros used camera to steal signs during championship season.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...houston-astros-stealing-signs-mlb/2577709001/
With latest sign-stealing revelations, Houston Astros once again toe baseball's ethical lines.
Freep

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28068096/mlb-expect-much-astros-investigating-their-own-cheating
MLB shouldn't expect much from Astros investigating their own cheating.
espn
 
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Jeff Lunlow said he’d look into this. Like Captain Renault in Casablanca.
 
kalinecountry said:
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/houston-weve-got-more-problems/
HOUSTON, WE?VE GOT (MORE) PROBLEMS.
Totally Tigers

Damn, lots to digest here.
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Ha! That was great she is a good writer

Speaking of former Tigers ? and there?s a lot of them these days ? rest assured that the Detroit organization would never participate in a cheating scandal like this. First of all, they don?t have the technology to do it and Chris Ilitch wouldn?t spring for the extra cameras and tv monitors. He might, however, sign off on purchasing a garbage can.
 
tigermud said:
Ha! That was great she is a good writer

Speaking of former Tigers ? and there?s a lot of them these days ? rest assured that the Detroit organization would never participate in a cheating scandal like this. First of all, they don?t have the technology to do it and Chris Ilitch wouldn?t spring for the extra cameras and tv monitors. He might, however, sign off on purchasing a garbage can.
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Not one that his players could beat on, though. He would not get his money?s worth out of it.
 
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