2022 Compensatory Picks

[mhughes0021]

It just seems everything your talking about is short sighted. Yes we aren't gonna be able to build a very good defense this year, but regardless if we didn't have Goff on the books that defense would still have sucked, just maybe a little bit less. Worst case on Goff is he completely blows this year and we draft a QB next year. We either trade him (if possible would be 0 cap hit), or cut him and take on 15mil in dead money (save 10mil). Best case is he gets back to the level of play from 2-3 years ago and we have a top 10 QB on a very reasonable contract for three more years. There is not a huge downside here.

I've detailed plenty of times on here, but it is not out of the realm of possibility to enter 2022 with 70mil+ cap space (with Goff) and a bunch of draft picks.

1st (top 3)
1st (Rams)
1st (Washington)
2nd (top 3)
2nd (giants)
3rd (top 3)
3rd (Comp
4th (top 3)
4th (comp)
5th (top 3)
6th (top 3)
6th (comp)
7th (top 3)
7th (comp).

Even if you remove the theoretical picks from a Golladay trade (still get a comp 3rd) and trade down in draft you still have a bunch of picks

1st (top 3)
1st (Rams)
2nd (top 3)
3rd (top 3)
3rd (Comp)
3rd (Comp)
4th (top 3)
4th (comp)
5th (top 3)
6th (top 3)
6th (comp)
7th (top 3)

Now say Goff plays reasonable well this year (above average), would you not be excited about next year with all that cap space available and draft capital? We could choose to draft Goff's replacement then or wait it out another year and still have flexibility to get a QB with two firsts in 2023.

As far as Hand, that guy was a good player as a rookie. Injuries and horrendous coaching have probably stunted his growth. I have no problem seeing what this coaching staff can do for him this year and counting on him as a starter. If he sucks then let him go as a FA next year, no harm no foul. That is the beauty of this year, we know we aren't going to win a lot of games so who the hell cares, lets find out what we already have on this roster.

you seem to be contradicting yourself.

Youre saying im shortsighted because i would prefer a rookie qb thats under contract for 4 years with a 5th year option.

Yet youre not short sighted by not minding a QB under contract for only 2 years whos been underperforming his current deal, recently demoted/forced out of his job, and carries a cap hit that negatively impacts our team. And if he fails you need out figure something out again in 2 years and do yet another rebuild at the most important position in the game.

Its confusing how im the short sighted one in this situation.

 

[mhughes0021]

Exactly. The plans was to go big in 2022, 2023. And Holmes set us up very nicely for that.

Tons of cap space WITH GOFF. And Goff is talented enough to get a shot to be our QB of future. If he fails, then we draft one.

Who cares if we don't fix a ton in 2021. We will fix some things, coaching could fix some things and then 2022 we got a huge amount of fixes we can make.

so cap space means nothing this year....but magically makes all the difference next year. Magically all these free agents will want to come to the lions because they will see Goff lead this team to 2 wins. This makes no sense...at all.

 

[detroit1811]

you seem to be contradicting yourself.

Youre saying im shortsighted because i would prefer a rookie qb thats under contract for 4 years with a 5th year option.

Yet youre not short sighted by not minding a QB under contract for only 2 years whos been underperforming his current deal, recently demoted/forced out of his job, and carries a cap hit that negatively impacts our team. And if he fails you need out figure something out again in 2 years and do yet another rebuild at the most important position in the game.

Its confusing how im the short sighted one in this situation.

Everything you bring up about Goff is how his cap hit is taking up too much space this year. Everything is about our cap space THIS year. We are in great shape with the cap in the coming years. We don't need a rookie QB on a cheap contract. In fact if you are so worried about that wouldn't you not want to waste a year of that contract in a year we are clearly going to suck?

We are not tied to Goff at all. We can get rid of him as early as next off-season with only 15mil in dead cap and saving 10mil. It is a one year trial for Goff. If he succeeds great, if not cut bait. Honestly throwing a rookie out there right now would probably damage his confidence being he is constantly going to be behind in games, and has very little help at WR.

 

[LKP]

Yep and we are not FORCED to take a QB at 7 now. We MAXMIZED first round picks and non QB first round picks

We have cap space and a extra picks in 2022 and 2023

People will come here because of Campbell and his vision and staff. Money offered by Holmes/Disner and a roster being rebuilt

And yep, we would want that rookie contract starting 2022 through 2026, 5th year 2027. Makes the awesomeness with a cheap QB last even longer

2028 then is when we would have to pay big money on a QB. But really they don't even play out the 5 years. Like year 3 they can get paid like Maholmes did. So yeah we want a 2022 rookie QB or 2023, not one we have to give big money too in 2024.

 

[detroit1811]

so cap space means nothing this year....but magically makes all the difference next year. Magically all these free agents will want to come to the lions because they will see Goff lead this team to 2 wins. This makes no sense...at all.

Depends on a lot of factors. Sometimes you just offer more money. Sometimes its the allure of joining a former coach. Honestly the fact that a lot of these guys are former players might also be appealing.

Players like Marshon Lattimore or Ryan Ramczyk might be available in 2022 with the Saints cap situation. Terron Armstead said how much they loved Campbell I'm sure Ramczyk feels the same way. Glenn and Lattimore probably had an awesome relationship. Obviously this is all speculating one way or the other, but the fact is the Lions are looking very good on cap space in 2022 regardless of Goff.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yep and we are not FORCED to take a QB at 7 now. We MAXMIZED first round picks and non QB first round picks

We have cap space and a extra picks in 2022 and 2023

People will come here because of Campbell and his vision and staff. Money offered by Holmes/Disner and a roster being rebuilt

And yep, we would want that rookie contract starting 2022 through 2026, 5th year 2027. Makes the awesomeness with a cheap QB last even longer

2028 then is when we would have to pay big money on a QB. But really they don't even play out the 5 years. Like year 3 they can get paid like Maholmes did. So yeah we want a 2022 rookie QB or 2023, not one we have to give big money too in 2024.

you keep saying that the Lions would have been forced to take a QB at 7 if they didn't have Goff. If they traded with Carolina they were going to send Bridgewater in the deal.

 

[tomdalton22]

It is a one year trial for Goff. If he succeeds great, if not cut bait. Honestly throwing a rookie out there right now would probably damage his confidence being he is constantly going to be behind in games, and has very little help at WR.

I don't think Goff will look good next year. Most likely, he will be much worse next year than he was with the Rams last year.

 

[detroit1811]

I don't think Goff will look good next year. Most likely, he will be much worse next year than he was with the Rams last year.

That is certainly possible, but the staff will be able to identify all that. Statistics only tell part of a story. The team will see how he prepares, how he leads guys, his work ethic, and they will know if his performance out of the field is because of the players around him or himself.

 

[tomdalton22]

That is certainly possible, but the staff will be able to identify all that. Statistics only tell part of a story. The team will see how he prepares, how he leads guys, his work ethic, and they will know if his performance out of the field is because of the players around him or himself.

shouldn't the GM already know all of that info already?

 

[detroit1811]

shouldn't the GM already know all of that info already?

Holmes should have a good idea, but he isn't a coach. He doesn't see everything. Plus that was LA, guys change sometimes. He felt like he wasn't wanted in LA, the change of scenery to a place that actually wants him might light a fire under his ass. All those are things this coaching staff need to identify this year.

 

[tomdalton22]

perhaps

My guess is the Lions will probably go 2-14 and he will look very bad next year. They will be picking in the top 3 next year and looking for a new QB. They will have a ton of cap space but nobody really good will want to play for a shitty team.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Think about that logically though....what/who are you going to pick at #1 overall. Sam Howell? If thats the case why not just pick a QB at #3 in 2020. Or at #7 in 2021 (or at #8 in 2021 if he would have taken the CAR offer).

Again..this just proves my point that he put the rebuild on hold for another year.

That's way too early to assume, every year just about there is a quarterback that comes out of the woodworks and has a REALLY impressive season. Kyler Murray, Joe Burrows, and Zach Wilson this year.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

perhaps

My guess is the Lions will probably go 2-14 and he will look very bad next year. They will be picking in the top 3 next year and looking for a new QB. They will have a ton of cap space but nobody really good will want to play for a shitty team.

Guys chase money all the time......but we?re the Lions so we WILL likely have to overpay a little. Kinda like the Tigers did with Pudge. It may not even be in the terms of more money, but likely more guaranteed money.

Money talks with a lot of these guys.

 

[grandy]

The focus shouldn't be signing top free agents, it puts a strain on the cap and indicates underlying issues with drafting.

On a team devoid of talent, they should be trying to acquire as many draft picks as possible.

This all comes down to whether Holmes can draft well - if he can, then the additional picks are great, if he can't, then this trade and any other potential trade won't matter.

 

[LKP]

Yes Bridgewater. But only one first rounder. Maybe dont take one in 2021. But then dont have two 1sts in 2022 or 2023. One whole 1st round pick less. Basicallt trading Stafford for a rookie qb

I have way more faith in Goff than Bridgewater too

 

[Mitchrapp]

We don't need to try and sign top FA but we should try and sign good FA. Though not 25 years old's that were former 1st round picks that have been waived or released 8 times. Its very hard and lengthy to try to compete for a SB based on just drafting.

 

[LKP]

Flowers,Collins,Vaitai and Goff can be our non draft adds and we can switch out 3 of them next year easily for other fas

Hock,Ragnow,Jackson,Decker,Swift,Okudah,AO,Julian Okwara,Cephus,Penisini draft picks to keep

Hand,Walker draft picks on final year of deal with potential

KJ,Tavai, Will Harris depth draft picks

14 of 22 right there. Need 3 wrs, two lbs, one de, two dts, one safety to play with those guys. Of those 8 can get 4 starters this draft. 4 in free agency. 2 other draft picks for depth

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Hand,Walker draft picks on final year of deal with potential

KJ,Tavai, Will Harris depth draft picks

Problem 1. KJ and Tavai were high 2nd round picks....and Harris a 3rd. Those guys are below average depth....like guys 45-53 on your roster type depth.

That's why this team is where they are. Way too many instances of that on this current roster.

Problem 2. Your fascination with Hand needs to end. Completely invisible for two years. Good rookie year, yes, but there is absolutely nothing he has done the last two years that would make me think we can count on him for anything other than reading material when the weekly injury report comes out.

 

[LKP]

Problem 1. KJ and Tavai were high 2nd round picks....and Harris a 3rd. Those guys are below average depth....like guys 45-53 on your roster type depth.

That's why this team is where they are. Way too many instances of that on this current roster.

Problem 2. Your fascination with Hand needs to end. Completely invisible for two years. Good rookie year, yes, but there is absolutely nothing he has done the last two years that would make me think we can count on him for anything other than reading material when the weekly injury report comes out.

Hand was good to start then solid this year. Then got hurt. He is on a cheap rookie deal still. He will be part of the rotation. Depends how many new Dlinemen they bring in for him to start or not. Guy has talent but injuries holding him back

Agree Day 2 and day 3 Quinn had a problem. But I like the 2020 day 2 picks from Quinn. Which is why we hired a GM who should be good on day 2 and day 3. We shall see.

Walker, Hand still have a shot to turn it around. I like 2020 class. Golladay a FA now. But not much hope for Tavai (speed issue) and Harris, looks lost and like a special teamer. Maybe that was coaching though. the new scheme mentions several times how lost the defense looked last year

KJ had a good rookie year but knee injuries have slowed him. Lions moved on to Swift but KJ had pass pro strength. But they used Peterson as the power back. KJ on final year of his cheap rookie year. Should be 3rd RB again

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Hand was good to start then solid this year. Then got hurt. He is on a cheap rookie deal still. He will be part of the rotation. Depends how many new Dlinemen they bring in for him to start or not. Guy has talent but injuries holding him back

Agree Day 2 and day 3 Quinn had a problem. But I like the 2020 day 2 picks from Quinn. Which is why we hired a GM who should be good on day 2 and day 3. We shall see.

Walker, Hand still have a shot to turn it around. I like 2020 class. Golladay a FA now. But not much hope for Tavai (speed issue) and Harris, looks lost and like a special teamer. Maybe that was coaching though. the new scheme mentions several times how lost the defense looked last year

KJ had a good rookie year but knee injuries have slowed him. Lions moved on to Swift but KJ had pass pro strength. But they used Peterson as the power back. KJ on final year of his cheap rookie year. Should be 3rd RB again

YES!! Our 2nd round pick RB will be our 3rd string!!

Way to go, Quinn. Finding value all over the board.

If Tavai can fill our 5th LB slot that would be awesome!!