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[dtroitlionsfan951]

The writings on the wall with Bush, do you think Nate and these guys don't know the plan? Overpaying him for his name is dumb as fuck, his W.A.R. over other available speed backs in the league is negligible, and when he got shipped from NOLA he was shown to be a poor man's Darren Sproles who now makes on average less than 3 mil a year. His replacement in Miami is a second round draft pick making $300K. If any team needs some moneyball its this one.
If we're paying Bush more than Sproles that is criminal, if we are paying him more than some of the other FA rbs (if we are dead set on signing a FA rb, which I think is stupid in itself) like Bradshaw or Jackson we are fucking beyond stupid because both are better options (or a RFA like Chris Ivory). I hope Xanders is in there right now shaking his head, I've pretty much put all my chips on him turning around our personnel department.

If they are dead set on Reggie, cut Sheffler who is getting paid like a starter, give his cheque to Bush and draft Vance McDonald out of Rice.

bro we haven't even given out a contract yet..and really? you believe steven jackson is a better option and fit for this team? ......really? lol...

 

[cheeno]

bro we haven't even given out a contract yet..and really? you believe steven jackson is a better option and fit for this team? ......really? lol...

If I am a D coordinator I am not loading the box to stop Reggie Bush.
Reggie at 28 or SJax at 30 really have no difference due to wear and tear given their body types and past injury history. If anything SJax has been shown the ability to be durable and play through injury.
SJax is a better pass blocker and is a very capable receiver.
SJax is a far better running back at any point in his career than Reggie Bush has ever been.
The biggest upgrade to the Packers was Cedric Benson, why? Because he could take advantage of the fronts they were getting, not because they could add an extra receiving weapon to an already pass devoted front. Leshoure couldn't take advantage of those fronts, Bell did sometimes and it produced huge plays. SJax is Bell on Roids, or a better version of Benson on the pack last year. HOw does bringing in a speed/third down back help with our main problem? Not being able to run on nickel D and becoming predictable.

If they were smart and both priced out the same I would be more willing to pay Jackson. Fronts we were getting against the 49ers and the Bears would be smashed. Look at the Rams pathetic run blocking. Jackson was the first to run for more than 100 yards against the 9ers all last regular season. They drafted Leshoure to be Jackson, he even drew those comparisons out of college, last year he was far from it, will he be in the future, no one knows. I for one would rather bet on the sure thing.

 

[LKP]

If I am a D coordinator I am not loading the box to stop Reggie Bush.

He burns you enough you will. Bush can pass protect, catch and run between the tackles. 200 carries last year at a good YPC and even better in 2011. He's more than just a 3rd down back/pass catcher, he'll take some carries away from LeShoure and offers a different skill set with more speed.

There are other options as well but they all have weaknesses too. Plus we don't know if Miami will regret letting Bush walk. They might

 

[cheeno]

He burns you enough you will. Bush can pass protect, catch and run between the tackles. 200 carries last year at a good YPC and even better in 2011. He's more than just a 3rd down back/pass catcher, he'll take some carries away from LeShoure and offers a different skill set with more speed.

There are other options as well but they all have weaknesses too. Plus we don't know if Miami will regret letting Bush walk. They might

NOLA sure did. LOL

 

[LKP]

Bush did well in Miami. They got Sproles, good job by them. Miami will have to do the same thing to try and replace Bush just like the Lions are trying to replace Best. Bush might be our Sproles. We'll see, he's got the right talent and speed. We'll find his price tag soon enough.

 

[LKP]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/darren-sproles/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/reggie-bush/

Miami payed a little more but Bush was more proven at the time. Bush is older now than when he got the Miami deal so we'll see if he's worth more than 3.75 million cap hit.

 

[cheeno]

Bush did well in Miami. They got Sproles, good job by them. Miami will have to do the same thing to try and replace Bush just like the Lions are trying to replace Best. Bush might be our Sproles. We'll see, he's got the right talent and speed. We'll find his price tag soon enough.

Again we could replace some if not all of Best through the draft. Getting Bush doesn't address our 1 dimensional nature. Reggie Bush + Detroit = $$$ there is no (or shouldn't be speculation on that). If we were trying to drive down his price rather than recruit him, would we be sucking his dick in the media?

 

[cheeno]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/darren-sproles/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/reggie-bush/

Miami payed a little more but Bush was more proven at the time. Bush is older now than when he got the Miami deal so we'll see if he's worth more than 3.75 million cap hit.

Proven? What did he prove other than he was a 2nd overall pick that couldn't crack the starting line up didn't see a second contract. (Now he hasn't seen a second contract from either of his two teams). The guy is going on his 3rd team in 7 seasons the very definition of a Journeyman.

 

[LKP]

You say Mayhew can't find talent in one thread and then say use the draft in the other thread. It's risky going with a rookie for some things. Bush could definitely change our one dimensional offense with his speed and pass catching ability and provide return ability. Jack of all trades will be helpful.

We'll just have to agree to disagree that Bush isn't worth the money. Bush seems like someone they are targeting and we'll find out his price tag mid March and how he does on this team or whatever team picks him up. He did well in Miami

 

[cheeno]

You say Mayhew can't find talent in one thread and then say use the draft in the other thread. It's risky going with a rookie for some things. Bush could definitely change our one dimensional offense with his speed and pass catching ability and provide return ability. Jack of all trades will be helpful.

We'll just have to agree to disagree that Bush isn't worth the money. Bush seems like someone they are targeting and we'll find out his price tag mid March and how he does on this team or whatever team picks him up. He did well in Miami

You sign one guy, you can't sign another. If Reggie Bush does great in a Lions uniform awesome I'll be ecstatic, although if you sign one guy you can't sign another. If the goal is to maximize your wins the money is best spent elsewhere not only on FA running backs but more specifically on some grinders that could help us out in the secondary and in the trenches.

The easiest position to find in the draft is a kick returner and a third down speed back, literally a dart board can do it. Am I putting too much faith in Mayhew for that? Probably.

 

[mhughes0021]

You sign one guy, you can't sign another. If Reggie Bush does great in a Lions uniform awesome I'll be ecstatic, although if you sign one guy you can't sign another. If the goal is to maximize your wins the money is best spent elsewhere not only on FA running backs but more specifically on some grinders that could help us out in the secondary and in the trenches.

The easiest position to find in the draft is a kick returner and a third down speed back, literally a dart board can do it. Am I putting too much faith in Mayhew for that? Probably.

put the money toward kruger or Wallace if you want to overpay someone. They would make more of an impact.

 

[LKP]

put the money toward kruger or Wallace if you want to overpay someone. They would make more of an impact.

And they will cost way more money than Bush.

 

[lionsFTW]

put the money toward kruger or Wallace if you want to overpay someone. They would make more of an impact.

I've seen you imply numerous times that you want Wallace. Don't you realize he's gonna get 10+ mill per? Zero chance he's even on our radar.

 

[mhughes0021]

I've seen you imply numerous times that you want Wallace. Don't you realize he's gonna get 10+ mill per? Zero chance he's even on our radar.

Yet everyone is ok with paying Nate burleson 5 mil to be a 70 catch 700 yard 4 td slot wr? Drop nate, don't sign Bush.....poof you have enough money for a legit #2 wr or a #1 de. But wed rather spend money on has beens.

 

[lionsFTW]

When the likes of Robert Meachem are getting 4 years and 26 mill on the open market I'm perfectly fine with Nate getting 5 for 25 mill. He's a great team and locker room guy. His production is perfectly acceptable. He's showed he's willing to rework and take a little less to be a part of this team. Nate and/or his deal are no where in the vicinity of the problems with this team.

You talk and hand wave a whole bunch about shit that doesn't even matter. Mayhews draft record has already been proven to you by me to be completely on par with what is considered acceptable levels of success throughout the NFL, and that's just on his actual record of picks alone. Factor in the value of the trades we've made with late round picks and he's actually crushing what is considered successful by any measure of advance metrics regarding draft pick value vs production. Just because he doesn't meet the criteria of Mhughes on the Detroit Sports Forum means jack shit in the grand scheme. If we measured every GM on your scale virtually everybody fails because nobody can succeed at the rate in which you seem to deem as satisfactory.

We haven't had a ton of room to work in free agency for over a decade because of all the top 5 picks we've had that have weighed us down salary cap wise and until recently (the Mayhew era) none of those top picks we're panning out so we were always stuck paying for guys who didn't contribute. We have signed FA's recently. Nate, Peterman, KVB, Durant, Tulloch, Wright. That's 6 guys through free agency, during the Mayhew era, with very little salary cap wiggle room, who all started on a team that made the playoffs.

 

[cheeno]

Yet everyone is ok with paying Nate burleson 5 mil to be a 70 catch 700 yard 4 td slot wr? Drop nate, don't sign Bush.....poof you have enough money for a legit #2 wr or a #1 de. But wed rather spend money on has beens.

We're also paying Mike Thomas more than five mil if he's on the roster next year.

 

[mhughes0021]

When the likes of Robert Meachem are getting 4 years and 26 mill on the open market I'm perfectly fine with Nate getting 5 for 25 mill. He's a great team and locker room guy. His production is perfectly acceptable. He's showed he's willing to rework and take a little less to be a part of this team. Nate and/or his deal are no where in the vicinity of the problems with this team.

You talk and hand wave a whole bunch about shit that doesn't even matter. Mayhews draft record has already been proven to you by me to be completely on par with what is considered acceptable levels of success throughout the NFL, and that's just on his actual record of picks alone. Factor in the value of the trades we've made with late round picks and he's actually crushing what is considered successful by any measure of advance metrics regarding draft pick value vs production. Just because he doesn't meet the criteria of Mhughes on the Detroit Sports Forum means jack shit in the grand scheme. If we measured every GM on your scale virtually everybody fails because nobody can succeed at the rate in which you seem to deem as satisfactory.

We haven't had a ton of room to work in free agency for over a decade because of all the top 5 picks we've had that have weighed us down salary cap wise and until recently (the Mayhew era) none of those top picks we're panning out so we were always stuck paying for guys who didn't contribute. We have signed FA's recently. Nate, Peterman, KVB, Durant, Tulloch, Wright. That's 6 guys through free agency, during the Mayhew era, with very little salary cap wiggle room, who all started on a team that made the playoffs.

if you strive to be par you may as well be one of those fans that dreams to be 8-8 forever....cause that's par. If you want to ever win a playoff game for a change you need to start "hitting" on drafts or making moves in FA. Instead we gamble and lose....a lot. We draft luxury picks and then say were rebuilding a year later. compare rosters to teams that are winning and see how they are getting their players. They are doing much more than "par."

 

[mhughes0021]

We're also paying Mike Thomas more than five mil if he's on the roster next year.

ya we went and got him so he can play over broyles? yet another move to take away touches from a 2nd rd pick. Let go get bush so he can take touches away from leshoure....our other recent 2nd rd pick lol. The plan just never makes sense.

 

[tonyballs]

ya we went and got him so he can play over broyles? yet another move to take away touches from a 2nd rd pick. Let go get bush so he can take touches away from leshoure....our other recent 2nd rd pick lol. The plan just never makes sense.

Didn't they go get Thomas because Young was acting the fool?

 

[mhughes0021]

Didn't they go get Thomas because Young was acting the fool?

Thomas shouldnt ever play on the outside. Hes a slot. If were paying him 5 plus mil to be outside were dumb.