5 Years 75 Million extension for Suh

[swami45]

This is the projection I have read on a couple sites that he would get. So would you sign him to that? Is he worth it? I have a hard time saying yes to both

 

[Mitchrapp]

This is the projection I have read on a couple sites that he would get. So would you sign him to that? Is he worth it? I have a hard time saying yes to both

That's a lot of money. First is easy, no. Second is objective. I ask who the highest currently paid DT would be and compare the difference in talent and money.

 

[swami45]

That's a lot of money. First is easy, no. Second is objective. I ask who the highest currently paid DT would be and compare the difference in talent and money.

Right now that player is Suh, he has the highest per year average which I believe is 12.4, I would expect an increase of that. The question is does he want to be one of the highest paid DL as well, including DE`s. It is worth noting that Hayneswoth`s contract, the largest ever for a DT, paid him a per year average of 14.2 million.

It is more likely that he meets in the middle of both, 5 years and 65 million.

 

[tonyballs]

He's worth every fn penny. They lose him and this team is rebuilding again. Deny it all you want but it's true.

 

[tomdalton22]

That is a lot of money tied up in a DT but he has the Lions by the balls. If the Lions could get a 1st round pick for him I think they would be better off in the long run but I doubt that would happen.

 

[zyxt9]

Let's give the big 3 over 40% of total cap. Who needs a team when those 3 can win without any help?

Fucking retarded in the salary cap era, but I'm sure some will give him even more because, like Tony already said, worth every damn penny. I'm not saying he isn't a great player and his talent would be missed obviously, but god damn it when do we figure out that is too much to build a team of talented players around and thereby have a super bowl team? It takes far more than 3 players to win in the NFL.

 

[LKP]

The key is drafting well. Young talent on cheap rookie deals is how you handle these big numbers for the top 3. Plus we have plenty of older veterans on middle level contracts. Instead of giving Burleson, Houston, Delmas that money, we give it to a different free agent.

We've had these guys on 3 big contracts already. It's nothing new and the Lions handle it quite well.

And Atkins got 5 years 53 million. No way Suh gets 22 million more.

 

[coel73]

Why don't they put caps on the amount players can receive to prevent shit like this from happening. They could make a rule saying "a player of position (x) is only allowed to take up (x) percent of the overall team cap. This contract inflation is ridiculous. We're gonna hear some "richest DT deal in history" crap with suh, only for another team to make their DT the highest paid in history next year.

 

[tomdalton22]

Why don't they put caps on the amount players can receive to prevent shit like this from happening. They could make a rule saying "a player of position (x) is only allowed to take up (x) percent of the overall team cap. This contract inflation is ridiculous. We're gonna hear some "richest DT deal in history" crap with suh, only for another team to make their DT the highest paid in history next year.

CBA

I don't mind the players getting what they can get. The NFL is entertainment and entertainers get paid a lot of money.

 

[zyxt9]

I agree Suh doesn't get 5/75. If the Cap did not exist, then yes, he would get it without hesitation. The reason Atkins was at 5/53 and Suh might see 5/55 is because you just cannot give that much of the cap % to a non-QB. Suh will be lucky to get anything over 5/55.

And you can HOPE to draft or find UDFAs enough times to fill out the roster, but realistically you won't hit 100% in those attempts. Then there is the point where rookie contracts end and teams need to re-sign guys or once again hope to find a solid player in the draft. That is not a winning strategy, it is a "pray for winning the lottery" method, especially with late round picks. Guys coming off rookie contracts are going to want to be PAID to make up for the money they didn't get during rookie contract. Lions will never be players for those guys due to the Big 3. So they will be needing the draft every year just to hopefully replace the guys coming off their rookie contract. What about other players who retire, like Dom will? You need the draft to recover from guys lost due to rookie contracts expiring and not being able to afford to pay them a realistic salary, they are going to bolt for Cap Smart teams that are able to pay them. So then you are looking for old guys or underperforming guys willing to play C for league minimum because you cannot afford to pay them beyond what the guy who left was making, which was league minimum.

That is NEVER going to work. EVER. Lions will never be able to compete with the Big 3 in a serious way because of their %. The rookie cap excuse is a fa?ade of a smoke screen hiding a void of emptiness. Every year as injuries mount and the team cannot pay for a good replacement and have to get the scabs from the scrubs on the junkpile of castaways they will go from being a potential playoff team to yet another disappearing act that is maybe fortunate enough to squeak into the playoffs but destined to lose once in. They just flat out do not have the necessary resources. And what happens WHEN, not IF...WHEN!...any of the Big 3 go down for a significant amount of playing time due to injury. We have already seen what happens when CJ is out, the O doesn't produce at all. Same will likely happen if Staff goes down, but CJ has potential to bail out the #2 QB. Suh is more like Staff than CJ in that if he goes down other guys can step up and help make his absence less painful. The only one of the 3 really worth every damn cent is CJ, but even his contract is part of the reason losing CJ is so blatantly painful, because they cannot afford a solid #2 WR without drafting one.

Could the Lions get lucky? Of course, anything CAN happen, but when luck in the draft is your only play it reeks of desperation, poor strategy, and bungling of resources.

 

[coel73]

CBA

I don't mind the players getting what they can get. The NFL is entertainment and entertainers get paid a lot of money.

I agree, but individual player contracts that cripple a team's salary cap can't be all that great either.

 

[tomdalton22]

I agree, but individual player contracts that cripple a team's salary cap can't be all that great either.

Not at all. I would rather they trade him than sign him to another huge contract. In the long run it would be better for the team. This isn't the NBA where you can have 3 all stars and surround them with scrubs and compete for a championship.

 

[zyxt9]

I agree, but individual player contracts that cripple a team's salary cap can't be all that great either.

As long as a GM is retarded enough to overpay, the player(s) will be overpaid. The smart GMs know they can let that guy walk and turn that money into a team with enough talent to win, knowing that to win in the NFL requires a talented team not individual.

 

[LKP]

Suh is worth 12-13 million a year. He's a very good player. And the Lions can make it work. They've been making it work by still signing free agents all these years (2010,2011,2013 very active in free agency and 2012 got back who they wanted in Backus, Avril on a large number, Tulloch long term, Hill and Levy restricted) when Suh was making 12 million a year, Stafford was a on a huge deal and Calvin was on a huge deal and been on his new deal for 2 years already. Signing Suh does not mean the Lions can't get good players in the draft and free agency.

 

[cheeno]

I'll take a hall of famer for 12 mil a year.

 

[tsmith7559]

Its all about gauranteed money..they could structure that deal paying $38 mil the first three years, all guranteed..the rest is fluff for the agent to crow about

 

[tomdalton22]

Suh is worth 12-13 million a year. He's a very good player. And the Lions can make it work. They've been making it work by still signing free agents all these years (2010,2011,2013 very active in free agency and 2012 got back who they wanted in Backus, Avril on a large number, Tulloch long term, Hill and Levy restricted) when Suh was making 12 million a year, Stafford was a on a huge deal and Calvin was on a huge deal and been on his new deal for 2 years already. Signing Suh does not mean the Lions can't get good players in the draft and free agency.

They have been making it work? Every season you mentioned was a losing season except for 2011 when they got their asses kicked in the first round. It's about building a team from top to bottom....not just the top. Every week the Lions lose you give excuses about injuries, lack of depth at WR, etc. A complete team can overcome that stuff. It's almost impossible for a team that is built like the Lions to overcome that stuff.

 

[tsmith7559]

They have been making it work? Every season you mentioned was a losing season except for 2011 when they got their asses kicked in the first round. It's about building a team from top to bottom....not just the top. Every week the Lions lose you give excuses about injuries, lack of depth at WR, etc. A complete team can overcome that stuff. It's almost impossible for a team that is built like the Lions to overcome that stuff.

When the top 3 go to pro bowls and are all pros you keep them. Fortunatly we had a great draft and undrafted FA last year. We need to continue that so we can replaced mid level contracts like tulloch, bush, Quinn, delmas over the next two years

 

[LKP]

They have been making it work? Every season you mentioned was a losing season except for 2011 when they got their asses kicked in the first round. It's about building a team from top to bottom....not just the top. Every week the Lions lose you give excuses about injuries, lack of depth at WR, etc. A complete team can overcome that stuff. It's almost impossible for a team that is built like the Lions to overcome that stuff.

They were very active in free agency and added a ton of talent 3 of the 4 years. Guys they targeted, big names like Bush, Quin, Tulloch, Burleson(2010), KVB (2010). The draft is happening with Suh here or not. Cap affects how active you are in free agency. And the Lions have been and can continue to be active with a Suh extension.

 

[LKP]

Lost Avril and Gosder, replaced him with Ansah and Waddle. Mayhew can replace players. We're talking about players most of you complain about anyway, Houston, Pettigrew, Delmas, Burleson, Jason Jones. Now all of a sudden you are all sad if we can't hang onto them because of Suh (a very good player).


Quin,Bush,Levy and Tulloch are going nowhere. They got those players with Stafford on a 20 million cap number at the time.