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Anthony Barr Scouting Report

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Don't know much about walterfootball.com but it was a site that came up quick in a search...

Again, these guys agree that he can play OLB in a 4-3, similar to the Von Miller role in Denver.

No discussion here of moving him to DE in a 4-3.



Career Recap: Jim Mora, Jr and his staff moving Barr from fullback to outside linebacker turned out to be one of the best coaching moves in college football last year. That gave the Bruins had one of the best pass-rushers in the nation as the converted junior was an absolute terror off the edge.

Barr had little impact at fullback during his freshman and sophomore seasons, recording a total of 12 receptions. Last year on defense however, he dominated the Pac-12, collecting 13 sacks, 83 tackles, 21.5 tackles for a loss, five passes batted and four forced fumbles. Barr's sack total was the second largest in the nation behind only Georgia's Jarvis Jones.

Barr was extremely consistent with sacks in 10-of-13 games. He finished the regular season well with 1.5 sacks against Stanford in the Pac-12 Championship Game. A few weeks earlier, Barr ended Matt Barkley's collegiate career with a devastating hit on a sack against USC. When Barr wasn't getting to the quarterback, he was getting consistent pressure on the signal-caller and makes pursuit tackles in the ground game.



2013 Season Outlook: There is no doubt that Barr will be a marked man in the Pac-12. Offenses will be aiming to stop him, and it wouldn't be surprising if they constantly send double-teams his direction. However, Mora has a good coaching staff which probably will move Barr around to try to get him single-blocked. He mainly went against left tackles in 2012, but this year it would be surprising if UCLA didn't move him around to make it harder to land double teams on him.

Barr will be able to show the progress he's made as a run-defender in the second game of the season when the Bruins take on Nebraska. Aside from the Cornhuskers, he will take on a number of teams with quality running games including Oregon, Arizona and Washington.

The best test of the season for Barr will come against Stanford. The Cardinal has a potential first-round pick in left tackle Andrus Peat. Barr typically lined up against the left tackle in 2012, so this should be a great matchup that could have big draft implications for both players. Barr's pass rush and run defense will be tested in this contest.

The Pac-12 is an excellent conference for college football; only the SEC is better. If Barr has another productive season, he will have given NFL teams two good seasons of tape against top competition.

Skill-Set Summary: Barr looked like a natural edge-rusher who had been playing the position for years in 2012, despite having just switched from fullback. It's clear he has the physical ability to be a special player.

Barr is an explosive athlete who offers tremendous speed off the edge. He has a great get-off when the ball is snapped and puts tackles on their heels. Barr has good agility to get leverage on his rushes and not let tackles get a good grip on him. He also knows how to finish when he gets to the quarterback. Barr can put signal-callers down hard with textbook hits.

Barr is awesome in pursuit. He has the speed to chase down backs and quarterbacks from behind. When Barr gets free from his block, he closes in an instant. He is like a heat-seeking missile, as his pursuit skills look similar to what Jarvis Jones did at Georgia.

Despite his tremendous junior season, Barr wisely decided to return for his senior year. He has room for improvement even with how good he was in 2012 and isn't a polished linebacker just yet. Barr improved as last season progressed and still needs more development. There are a few areas where he could improve his game.

Specifically, Barr needs to get stronger to defend the run. He has the frame to add 10-15 pounds of bulk and that would be a good idea. The senior needs to get better at runs coming straight at him and shedding blocks in the ground game. Barr also needs to improve his awareness as he can overpursue at times. Considering Barr's lack of experience as an outside linebacker, those issues are understandable and he could make a big jump in 2013.

It would be nice to see Barr add more and refine his pass-rushing moves, too. He has a great speed rush off the edge and can get off tackles on his side, but he could use more technique to shed blocks when he doesn't have leverage. Barr also needs to work on dropping in pass coverage.

Mora and his coaching staff should make Barr a more complete player as a senior. He could be a beast as a pass-rusher with a few more years of direction from his NFL team.



2014 NFL Draft Expectations: Barr's natural pass-rush ability and his shear explosiveness off the edge make him look like a potential high-first-round pick entering the 2013 season. If the senior can add strength and improve his run defense while continuing to get after the quarterback, he could solidify himself as a top-10 pick.

The bloodlines are there for Barr as his father was a standout fullback at Notre Dame who was a fourth-round pick of the Eagles.

Barr's would be perfect for the NFL as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He will need some work dropping in pass coverage, but looks like a natural as a standup edge-rusher. In a 4-3 defense, Barr should be an outside linebacker in a role like Von Miller with the Broncos. Barr could be one of the top prospects in the 2014 class if he puts together another good season
 
Not advocating for or against him, but yes, I would be happy too. He's a special player.

Point is, many people (more than just this source) believe he will be an OLB in a 4-3. Many more say DE in a 4-3.

He used to be a fullback, the guy is an athlete who can play anywhere they decide to put him.
 
theres 2 things that pop out to me that makes me thinks hes better as a 4-3 DE than a 4-3 OLB. 1) "natural edge rusher" 2) "has the frame to add 10-15 lbs"

I don't see much about coverage, drops, hips. Hes raw and he can get after the qb....so let him get at the qb. Now, this report is dated...sounds like it was prior to last college football season. The combine kind of exposed this "explosiveness" debate...he wasn't very explosive at all at the combine. Similar to Ealy who I thought may rise....they both had bad weekends which probably dropped their stock.

Not sure where Cheeno ranks as a credible source but I really like the comparison he made. Jason Taylor coming out of college was a very similar frame/build with the potential to put on more size. Again, if his strength is getting after the qb....then play him in a position that he can get at the qb and get him on a weight training program to gain the weight and POOF!....you got yourself a nice 4-3 DE. Hes a young kid....hes like almost 6'4'' and will be like 250-260 in a couple years (remember..hes only been on defense for like 2 years).....not your prototypical 4-3 OLB.
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1784741/anthony-barr

http://idpmanor.com/content/2014/02/25/2014-idp-draft-preview-anthony-barr-lb-ucla/

http://www.drafttek.com/2014-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-43-Outside-LBs-2014-Draft.asp

http://titansized.com/2014/04/04/tennessee-titans-draft-anthony-barr-lb-ucla/2/

I can link about 100 more... each one saying the same thing... he's an ideal 3-4 OLB, but he can easily play either OLB or DE in a 4-3.

Could he be a great DE? I wouldn't doubt it, but there is nothing at all suggesting this kid can't be a great 4-3 OLB too.
 
theres 2 things that pop out to me that makes me thinks hes better as a 4-3 DE than a 4-3 OLB. 1) "natural edge rusher" 2) "has the frame to add 10-15 lbs"

I don't see much about coverage, drops, hips. Hes raw and he can get after the qb....so let him get at the qb. Now, this report is dated...sounds like it was prior to last college football season. The combine kind of exposed this "explosiveness" debate...he wasn't very explosive at all at the combine. Similar to Ealy who I thought may rise....they both had bad weekends which probably dropped their stock.

Not sure where Cheeno ranks as a credible source but I really like the comparison he made. Jason Taylor coming out of college was a very similar frame/build with the potential to put on more size. Again, if his strength is getting after the qb....then play him in a position that he can get at the qb and get him on a weight training program to gain the weight and POOF!....you got yourself a nice 4-3 DE. Hes a young kid....hes like almost 6'4'' and will be like 250-260 in a couple years (remember..hes only been on defense for like 2 years).....not your prototypical 4-3 OLB.

Now that you've mentioned it where is Cheeno? Been awhile.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1784741/anthony-barr

http://idpmanor.com/content/2014/02/25/2014-idp-draft-preview-anthony-barr-lb-ucla/

http://www.drafttek.com/2014-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-43-Outside-LBs-2014-Draft.asp

http://titansized.com/2014/04/04/tennessee-titans-draft-anthony-barr-lb-ucla/2/

I can link about 100 more... each one saying the same thing... he's an ideal 3-4 OLB, but he can easily play either OLB or DE in a 4-3.

Could he be a great DE? I wouldn't doubt it, but there is nothing at all suggesting this kid can't be a great 4-3 OLB too.

really depends on scheme I guess. I cant really judge what our 4-3 olb is until I see it in austins scheme. But judging off of what is has been in the past I would not pick barr to play there opposite Levy. Palmer/Levy were rarely sent as pass rushers and in our division it was a passing down almost every down meaning Bentley was in over palmer a lot. So if youre telling me were picking someone at 10 to do that....welp its a wasted pick imo. If that's the case then I think ur better taking Mosely. Shit id rather have shazier at olb over Barr due to sheer speed and coverage skills. Im fine with Barr if were getting a pass rusher.
 
Is Cheeno really Slick, and Slick is LKP????

How deep does the rabbit hole run?

Actually Ink is all three of us doing a story on sports fanatic behavior on message boards for an Arizona newspaper.
 
Not sure where Cheeno ranks as a credible source but I really like the comparison he made. Jason Taylor coming out of college was a very similar frame/build with the potential to put on more size. Again, if his strength is getting after the qb....then play him in a position that he can get at the qb and get him on a weight training program to gain the weight and POOF!....you got yourself a nice 4-3 DE. Hes a young kid....hes like almost 6'4'' and will be like 250-260 in a couple years (remember..hes only been on defense for like 2 years).....not your prototypical 4-3 OLB.

Cheeno, wasn't trying to put you down here lol. Was trying to say your just as credible as walter but I read it later and it sounded dickish the way it came across lol. too much caffeine today.
 
Actually Ink is all three of us doing a story on sports fanatic behavior on message boards for an Arizona newspaper.

But now that I have admitted to it, they will never believe us.. so I win.
 
Cheeno, wasn't trying to put you down here lol. Was trying to say your just as credible as walter but I read it later and it sounded dickish the way it came across lol. too much caffeine today.

Hell, man, no offense taken. I didn't think it sounded dickish.

As for Barr his best position right now is no doubt a 3-4 OLB, he's a talented speed rusher that can pursue and tackle in the run game but at this point in his development he can get washed and pushed back too much when lined up over bigger tackles and even tight ends...he needs space to be effective.

I do think with 1-2 years in an NFL system training in physique and technique he could be a stud 4-3 DE in the Jason Taylor like mold. If we took him and wanted him to play DE year one he'd have to be put out in the wide nine - I'm not sure if we are still married to that technique - but he needs space to threaten with his first step and speed. We'd also need a sure tackler behind him. At 4-3 OLB like you said Hughes he'd have to blitz early and often to make a real impact. Do we take a high ceiling guy who will ramp up production with time? IDK seems like Mayhew is going all in this year and isn't planning on waiting for a ROI.

This game vs. Stanford shows all his warts and you will second guess his value:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESvEftlYmco

Then you have this game vs USC and you can see how he can be a disruptive force.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GauOGG01fX8

You need some good coaches and scouts to guess his true value and project his production in his first couple years. Mayhew (rightly) only trusts guys who jump off the film (Ziggy was that guy last year) Barr can be an enigma at times.
 
i pretty much agree with everything cheeno said above
Mayhew (rightly) only trusts guys who jump off the film (Ziggy was that guy last year) Barr can be an enigma at times.
but no offense, i think this statement is blatantly wrong about Ziggy. i think the reason we picked Ziggy was two fold... first, he was a physical freak, but there was no direct indication that he would pan out in the NFL with limited football experience (and he still may not). second, and more telling in my opinion, the staff felt extremely comfortable with him as a raw player after coaching him in the senior bowl.

coaches input based on first hand experience trumps anything seen on film. but i do agree with what you said about Barr. he looks good, but then disappears... and enigma for sure. may be too good of a player to pass up at 10 though, or maybe other teams feel the exact same way and he drops to the 2nd (i've seen a few mocks that have him dropping that far). who knows. with coaching and extra weight/muscle, he'll probably be a beast in 2-3 years though.
 
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i pretty much agree with everything cheeno said above

but no offense, i think this statement is blatantly wrong about Ziggy. i think the reason we picked Ziggy was two fold... first, he was a physical freak, but there was no direct indication that he would pan out in the NFL with limited football experience (and he still may not). second, and more telling in my opinion, the staff felt extremely comfortable with him as a raw player after coaching him in the senior bowl.

coaches input based on first hand experience trumps anything seen on film. but i do agree with what you said about Barr. he looks good, but then disappears... and enigma for sure. may be too good of a player to pass up at 10 though, or maybe other teams feel the exact same way and he drops to the 2nd (i've seen a few mocks that have him dropping that far). who knows. with coaching and extra weight/muscle, he'll probably be a beast in 2-3 years though.

I don't really follow the mock sites at all, or as I call them the "Your guess is as good as mine, and maybe better" sites. But I would have a hard time seeing Barr fall to the second round.

I can't see a scenario where he drops out of the top 15. I think the Giants at 12 are the rock bottom for him. He may not last until 10. He could land in Jacksonville in a trade down scenario with either Minny or Atlanta, depending on the top picks.

I know there are a lot of draftnick reporters writing about how he's not as good as people think, but they are saying the same things about Clowney, Watkins, Lewand, etc... Their job seems to be to write something negative about every prospect every year.

You listen to those guys, and no one should ever pick, because no one is really 100% worth the first rounder.
 
I don't really follow the mock sites at all, or as I call them the "Your guess is as good as mine, and maybe better" sites. But I would have a hard time seeing Barr fall to the second round.

I can't see a scenario where he drops out of the top 15. I think the Giants at 12 are the rock bottom for him. He may not last until 10. He could land in Jacksonville in a trade down scenario with either Minny or Atlanta, depending on the top picks.

I know there are a lot of draftnick reporters writing about how he's not as good as people think, but they are saying the same things about Clowney, Watkins, Lewand, etc... Their job seems to be to write something negative about every prospect every year.

You listen to those guys, and no one should ever pick, because no one is really 100% worth the first rounder.

I do like 15-25 better than 1-10 if im being honest (obviously Watkins and clowney are the 2 "elite" guys in the top 10). Hageman and Pryor are the 2 guys I love this year and we could add some value with a trade down. Problem is no one will want to trade up to 10.
 
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I do like 15-25 better than 1-10 if im being honest (obviously Watkins and clowney are the 2 "elite" guys in the top 10). Hageman and Pryor are the 2 guys I love this year and we could add some value with a trade down. Problem is no one will want to trade up to 10.

Unless someone slides you are right. There's no one trying to move up this year. It's a deep draft. Teams are going to get very good players where they stand.
 
Unless someone slides you are right. There's no one trying to move up this year. It's a deep draft. Teams are going to get very good players where they stand.

I think there are 2 elite players (Clowney and Watkins), 3 very good players ( Mack and the two tackles) and then just a really deep draft of good/solid players.
 
I would add the following names to the "very good" list:

Evans
Barr
Lewan
Matthews (it could be great-grandma Matthews, she will be elite at whatever her position)
Robinson
Bortles
Bridgewater
Ebbron
Gilbert
Clinton-Dix
Pryor
Donald
Mosley
Lee
Ford
Nix

... All of these guys have a great chance of being above average in the NFL, and all of them look like "very good" prospects. Several of them I would say could be elite, especially Mack, Matthews, and Clinton-Dix.
 
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