Border chaos

[byco42]

Biden is a global hand puppet.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well then, I guess you should be happy that Biden put a rule in place last year to penalize people who cross the border between checkpoints. Another instance where you don't know the truth and only rely on right wing talking points.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/21/border-immigration-biden-rule-asylum-deport/

I would if it was actually implemented. It wasn?t. It was challenged (probably by his own administration) and struck down by an Obama appointed judge and the Biden admin has not appealed it or taken any other measures to stem the flow of illegal border crossers.

Oops. I guess you can pick up your mic now.

You?re what?s called a useful idiot - the admin does this knowing it will get struck down then doesn?t appeal it or take alternative measures knowing fools like you will never read past the headline (the Bernie Sanders supporter you called a far right Fox News guy does this all the time). Then you go and make an ass of yourself online claiming Biden has secured the border and anyone who actually knows the whole story is a?what?

That?s right, a conspiracy theorist.

Edit: it should also be pointed out that most people apprehended crossing the border illegally aren't immediately deported. They're given a trial date and released into the US under their own recognizance. The courts are so backlogged that these cases are set years out and they rely on the illegal immigrants showing up on their own.

 

[tigermud]

I would if it was actually implemented. It wasn?t. It was challenged (probably by his own administration) and struck down by an Obama appointed judge and the Biden admin has not appealed it or taken any other measures to stem the flow of illegal border crossers.

Oops. I guess you can pick up your mic now.

You?re what?s called a useful idiot - the admin does this knowing it will get struck down then doesn?t appeal it or take alternative measures knowing fools like you will never read past the headline (the Bernie Sanders supporter you called a far right Fox News guy does this all the time). Then you go and make an ass of yourself online claiming Biden has secured the border and anyone who actually knows the whole story is a?what?

That?s right, a conspiracy theorist.

Buck keeps it up NY might even vote for Trump in Nov.

 

[Spartanmack]

And once again, you're proven to be a liar that is willing to say anything to avoid losing an argument.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bi...-court-uphold-asylum-restrictions-2023-11-08/

Oops. I guess you can pick up your mic now. :lmao:

Still doesn't change the fact most illegal border crossers aren't immediately deported. The overwhelming majority are given a court dates years away and released into the country.

Also doesn't change the fact that border crossings are at an all time high, the piece you posted even points out this fact. And the majority aren't being deported and that's not counting the ones that don't get caught.

Do you have any facts that actually matter? Like how many people are crossing the border illegally and how many are deported vs. being released into the country pending a court date years in the future?

Highlighting a minor uptick in deportations, if there even is one compared to a massive increase in illegal immigration is putting lipstick on a pig, and you as the useful idiot are buying it and "owning the right wingers" with these meaningless gestures.

Here's the reality...

some highlights:

- Of the nearly 6 million illegal alien encounters from January 20, 2021, through September 30, 2023, at least 3,095,577 illegal aliens had no confirmed departure from the United States as of September 30, 2023.
- There are at least 617,607 aliens on Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) non-detained docket who have criminal convictions or pending criminal charges, meaning more than half a million criminal aliens are on the streets and free to reoffend in U.S. communities.
- As of December 10, 2023, there were 1,323,264 illegal aliens with final orders of removal who remained in the United States.
- The Department of Homeland Security placed only 6.8 percent of illegal aliens encountered at the southwest border into proceedings to even be screened for asylum eligibility.
- Of the at least 3.3 million illegal aliens released into the United States since January 20, 2021, the Biden Administration failed to remove, through immigration court removal proceedings, roughly 99.7 percent of those illegal aliens.
- The Biden Administration has removed only one illegal alien for every 26 illegal aliens it has allowed to enter the United States.
- As of August 31, 2023, DHS had removed only 2 percent of illegal aliens who failed to appear at their immigration court hearings after successfully establishing a fear of persecution at the border. Ninety-eight percent of those illegal aliens remained in the United States at the end of August 2023

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So Biden is supposedly making it harder for people to claim asylum but is only screening 6.8% for asylum eligibility.

Another funny thing about this is if you read your preferred sources, they'll tell you that the illegal immigrant population has remained relatively stable at 10-11mm over the last decade or so despite the fact that we know since Biden took office alone, there are 3.1mm illegal aliens who have encountered ICE or CBP who haven't left.

Now, I know facts are "conspiracy theories" in your mind but 142,000 deportations in a year while up from the prior year but still below levels under the previous administration, isn't a very big number when you're seeing new records of known illegal border crossings each month. Preliminary figures for December 2023 have it at 302,000.

Joe's really cracking down on illegal immigration.

 

[Spartanmack]

See how he immediately pivots when he gets proven wrong? Yeah, I know you all saw that.

lol, you?re the one who pivoted the conversation from the shit show at the border to a meaningless and barely enforced policy. In fact your post is an attempt to pivot away from the data that destroys your narrative.

I brought it back to the real issue with the facts I asked you for that you?ve conveniently dodged since you started posting here.

It?s lie, deflect, ignore facts, sprinkle in some ad hominem, rinse and repeat for you.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yep, the situation at the border is all Biden's fault. You certainly shouldn't place blame on Republicans for not doing anything to try and fix the issue when they were in charge.

Best idea those clowns have had is to build a wall across thousands of miles of remote land that isn't even used for illegal crossings.

nice deflection but you haven't been around long enough to know who I blame for the border prior to Biden taking over. And obviously with this attempt to deflect, you're still unwilling to address the facts but at least you seem to be admitting that the border is a shit show - that's progress.

But even if I didn't fault Republicans, who is in charge now matters. And who is in charge of the border right now? What has he done to secure the border? What's happened to the border since Biden came into office - is it better, worse, the same?

 

[tigermud]

it is completely Bucks fault on day one in 2021 he executive ordered away all the things trump had in place to keep it under somewhat control. Biden could undo that mistake with the stroke of a pen, it's completely his fault 100% Keep it up and NY may even turn Orange do not understatement the level of anger this is and will continue to generate among the legal populous.

 

[tigermud]

https://youtu.be/v5rV5aVRYeg?si=ALLLZhg8l1OmsFdo

 

[tigermud]

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1747755685704843700?s=20

 

[Spartanmack]

Title 42 was in place because a national emergency was declared due to Covid. Suggesting that Biden should just make something up to justify putting it back in place shows just how devoid of morals and ethics Republicans are.

Then again, we already knew that based on their continued support of a dude who tried to steal an election and then did steal classified documents.

It's not just title 42. In his first week he got rid of zero tolerance, halted repair and construction of the wall and ordered a review of all other Trump era policies. He also tried to eliminate "remain in Mexico" on day 1 of his Presidency, was denied, appealed that ruling and won - now illegals remain here for years awaiting trials no one expects them to show up for.

And how have his policies worked out?

In the four months prior to Biden taking office, we were seeing an average of 70k illegal crossings. That's less than Biden's current weekly average - it's increased over 4x!. That's outrageous and can be seen as nothing less than a complete disaster. The border is wide open and it's by design.

 

[tigermud]

That?s right it?s by design, designed to bankrupt America and leave in total ruin so they can let all the Klaus demons build back build under a new global equality assured misery for all authoritarian social credit score green fist rule

 

[Spartanmack]

Sorry to tell you but when you post a known liar and conspiracy theorist, you automatically lose the debate. What's next, gonna hit us with some Alex Jones?

Anyone who says anything you disagree with is a liar and a conspiracy theorist.

 

[byco42]

There's so much open source material on how the government has conspired to preserve itself at our expense that anyone who doesn't realize this either is in denial or has not done the research.

 

[tigermud]

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024...of-collapse-due-to-illegal-immigrants-n605887

 

[Spartanmack]

Just went back and skimmed through everything that came out of the 115th Congress when Republicans had complete control, and wouldn't you know it, not a single bill signed into law to address immigration issues at the southern border.

Funny how they only care about immigration when a Democrat is sitting in the Oval Office.

Well this is demonstrably false. At least one budget bill after executive order 13767 included funding for the border wall.

And since you obviously missed it, Executive Order 13767 which Trump on Jan 25, 2017 directs

"executive departments and agencies ... to deploy all lawful means to secure the Nation's southern border, to prevent further illegal immigration into the United States, and to repatriate illegal aliens swiftly, consistently, and humanely", and states that "It is the policy of the executive branch to secure the southern border of the United States through the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border."

Granted that?s not a bill passed by Congress but with that executive order, its somewhat understandable that Congress focus attention on other issues? Personally I would have like to see them do more and not just with the border - it was their first chance since Bush 2 to push through meaningful healthcare reform and while they got the TCJA passed, that didn?t go nearly far enough.

But the idea that Biden has done more or we should somehow be pleased with meaningless gestures despite the obviously horrible and catastrophic results or that Republicans have not only not done more but didn?t do anything regarding the border is maybe the dumbest thing anyone has posted on this board.

 

[Spartanmack]

Just to make sure you're informed, an EO is not close to being the same thing as passing legislation. Also hilarious for you to point to an EO when I guarantee your undies get all in a twist when a Democrat signs an EO.

Oh and lets also be sure to remember that Trump is out there right now telling Republicans not to vote for any border deals because it will only make Biden look good. That's how much the radical right cares about actually fixing the border.

Good pivot, but we can all see you were wrong about the there being nothing passed by Congress.

Not sure why Trump would be saying that - it's not like the Dems would ever pass any border legislation they would find amenable. Plus, I think most conservatives would easily see through whatever window dressing the Dems are putting out there as the election year voting buying empty gesture it is - like his most recent attempt to cancel student loans for deadbeat borrowers.

 

[tinselwolverine]

When all you consume is Fox "News" and right wing memes, I guess it's understandable why you would think the border is "wide open" and that Biden and his administration are doing nothing to stop it.

Then again, you also think that fentanyl only started being an issue under Biden when it actually saw a dramatic rise under Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/895945/fentanyl-overdose-deaths-us/


Bit of advice, maybe stop getting your news from a place that just paid 787 million dollars for being a bunch of liars.

Yeah, I don?t know how much this guy gets his news from Fox News, and this clip isn?t from Fox News.

Probably some other right wing echo chamber.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvtLse9Llo&pp=ygUebmV3IHlvcmsgbWF5b3Igc291dGhlcm4gYm9yZGVy

 

[Spartanmack]

When all you consume is Fox "News" and right wing memes, I guess it's understandable why you would think the border is "wide open" and that Biden and his administration are doing nothing to stop it.

Then again, you also think that fentanyl only started being an issue under Biden when it actually saw a dramatic rise under Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/895945/fentanyl-overdose-deaths-us/


Bit of advice, maybe stop getting your news from a place that just paid 787 million dollars for being a bunch of liars.

I cut the cord more than 6 years ago and didn't watch Fox News when I had cable, but thanks for the advice. You obviously get your news from MSM and other left wing outlets if you think Biden quadrupling the number of border crossings isn't a disaster (I know you don't like using facts, but you can see them in post 169) or that massive spikes in fentanyl deaths is just more evidence that the border is secure and radical far right Trumpers are just watching too much Fox News...

Bit of advice, stop giving advice until you actually know something about something.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Hmmmmm not sure what point you're making here but a mayor asking for help with immigrants doesn't equate to the border being "wide open".

As we've already covered, this is all because republicans don't actually want to fix the issue as then they'd have to find something else to distract their supporters with.

My point is exactly what I specifically said - this guy doesn?t form his opinions from Fox News.

Also, the guy in the clip isn?t a Republican.

 

[Spartanmack]

Hmmmmm not sure what point you're making here but a mayor asking for help with immigrants doesn't equate to the border being "wide open".

As we've already covered, this is all because republicans don't actually want to fix the issue as then they'd have to find something else to distract their supporters with.

Wait a second, I thought the issue was a conspiracy theory. Are you quietly shifting the goal posts in reaction to Biden's most recent comments because don't look now...that's right, after saying the border is secure for years, Biden finally says it's not, but he blames Republicans.

Not sure how to reconcile that one - the border has been secure for the first 3 years of his tenure, 2 of which were with Dem control of the House and Senate and Republicans were overreacting. Now it's suddenly not secure and apparently hasn't been for years - and it's Republicans fault when he's been in power for 3 years while it was so secure he felt comfortable unwinding several of the Trump era measures. Was it the Supreme Court that screwed up the border?

I'll check out youtube clips of Ari Melber and other low IQ CNN personalities, maybe check out some Joe Scarborough sound bytes to get the answers. Or maybe I'll just wait for our Foreigner superfan to regurgitate them. Don't worry, no one will notice your sudden change of tune and obvious hypocrisy and even if they do, just accuse them of engaging in conspiracy theories and sprinkle in some clever jokes about the bad Orange man.