Caldwell wants Top 5 in Penalties

[mhughes0021]

What about Caldwells scheme did you not like? What specifically about his coaching style causes teams to fail?

imo he did a worse job in BAL than he did in INDY. The fact he won 2 games when peyton goes down is a pretty bad coaching job eventhough he had crap at qb. But to come into BAL and completely kill their run game.....he singlehandedly ruined ray rices career. BAL therefor turned into a steaming pile of crap who couldn't even score a TD vs our shitty defense. We hired a coordinator that was about to be fired....dungy probably called them and told them not to fire him until Detroit made up their minds on hiring him. Ill repeat....our HEAD COACH was about to be fired for doing a shitty job as an OC. usually when you hire an OC you get someone on the upswing.....not the opposite.

 

[grandy]

To be fair, the Ravens lost Boldin to FA, Birk to retirement, and Pitta to injury before the season began. Rice suffered a hip injury mid-September that lingered throughout the season and many Ravens fans are not happy with the OL/Run-coordinator Juan Castillo (apparently he came in and changed the blocking scheme).

Not saying Caldwell was blameless in all of this, but the losses of talent and changes in scheme aren't a recipe for success.

 

[Monster]

Wow, Hughes. Remind me never to watch a game with you. It'd probably end with a few of your teeth on the floor. Your constant negative rants get really annoying, even if you have a point sometimes.

 

[turok]

Hughes is nearly the polar opposite from LKP, from reading their posts, but it appears that there are more members who are Lions fans and are at least somewhat closer to Hughes in their opinions regarding the franchise/team than there are who are like LKP. 56 years of frustrating futility apparently can do that to many, if not most Lions fans' psyches..haha!!

But IMO, anyone who posts with as much frequency as Hughes does, is emotionally hog-tied to the Lions franchise and its teams, only b/c I believe that the opposite of liking the Lions is indifference, not disliking or even hating it-them. Being completely indifferent would probably result in his very rarely posting on this forum, if at all.

There are hundreds of thousands or much more likely millions of Lions fans scattered all over the US and world-wide, yet I would estimate that less than 1% of them have registered to post on internet message boards and forums who have threads and topics regarding the NFL and the Lions as subject matter in particular.

Even far fewer bother to post with any degree of regularity, just based on the relatively small amount of DSF members who have more than 1,000 total posts, their being on the very low end, esp. when compared to the total members registered. So a member with upwards of 5000 posts most definitely is a hard-core Detroit/Michigan college and/or pro-sports fan... again this is JMO.

 

[zyxt9]

I find most on here to be very moderate and realistic. Sure on a particular topic one might seem like negative Nelly, but in another they might be positive Polly. Most have mood swings in line with the product put out on the field, when they r winning most posters see the sun, and when the losing starts they see the dark clouds forming once again, they begin to hunker down knowing the more likely outcome to follow. So it might seem to some that the Lions have a winning record 8, 9, or even 10 games in, but that has typically been a tease so when analyzing who the wins and loses were against most start to realize thise early wins were vs inferior teams and the loses were to average or better teams, at which point the recognition is they will fail to make the ayoffs once again.

If the wins were consistently vs the best teams at start of year, we would probably see the optimism last longer. This past year most were believing the then 6-3 Lions were going to screw it up and nkt make the playoffs not due to being Negatice Nellies, but through solid analysis that the wins were not against the top teams, so chances were good they would screw it up in spite of easier schedule and Bears and Packs having injuries that would result in zero wins if similar injuries happened to Lions.

Now they bring in a questionable coach and some are already negative. I'm all for giving him a chance, but most of us have seen this circus before so our expectations are same ol' Lions will be fielded. Can't say there is anything to be hyped up about for now other than knowing Schwartz and others are gone. Hopefully FA and Draft can raise expectations.

 

[mhughes0021]

I find most on here to be very moderate and realistic. Sure on a particular topic one might seem like negative Nelly, but in another they might be positive Polly. Most have mood swings in line with the product put out on the field, when they r winning most posters see the sun, and when the losing starts they see the dark clouds forming once again, they begin to hunker down knowing the more likely outcome to follow. So it might seem to some that the Lions have a winning record 8, 9, or even 10 games in, but that has typically been a tease so when analyzing who the wins and loses were against most start to realize thise early wins were vs inferior teams and the loses were to average or better teams, at which point the recognition is they will fail to make the ayoffs once again.

If the wins were consistently vs the best teams at start of year, we would probably see the optimism last longer. This past year most were believing the then 6-3 Lions were going to screw it up and nkt make the playoffs not due to being Negatice Nellies, but through solid analysis that the wins were not against the top teams, so chances were good they would screw it up in spite of easier schedule and Bears and Packs having injuries that would result in zero wins if similar injuries happened to Lions.

Now they bring in a questionable coach and some are already negative. I'm all for giving him a chance, but most of us have seen this circus before so our expectations are same ol' Lions will be fielded. Can't say there is anything to be hyped up about for now other than knowing Schwartz and others are gone. Hopefully FA and Draft can raise expectations.

welp when we started 4-4 in 2012 I correctly predicted a 4-12 final record.

I then followed that up to correctly predict a 7-9 season in 2013.

Sooo....call me whatever the fuck you guys want .....but that's about as "Realistic" as you can get.

 

[mhughes0021]

To be fair, the Ravens lost Boldin to FA, Birk to retirement, and Pitta to injury before the season began. Rice suffered a hip injury mid-September that lingered throughout the season and many Ravens fans are not happy with the OL/Run-coordinator Juan Castillo (apparently he came in and changed the blocking scheme).

Not saying Caldwell was blameless in all of this, but the losses of talent and changes in scheme aren't a recipe for success.

boldin is an aging WR that in his prime ran a 4.71 40. One year did he catch over 900 yards for them and his high was 7 tounchdowns....for what he was worth....he wasn't getting much production and that's why BAL made the smart decision not to keep him.

Pitta is a good TE...but hes not THAT good where you pin a losing season on him cause he was injured.

Flacco played worse on caldwells watch....that's all I know.

If he was any good they would have kept him to rebuild and to guide luck into the next chapter of colts football. But they didn't...they got rid of him...just like Baltimore did. A retread is one thing....but this is a retread that has failed pretty badly 2 out of his last 3 years.

 

[mhughes0021]

Hughes is nearly the polar opposite from LKP, from reading their posts, but it appears that there are more members who are Lions fans and are at least somewhat closer to Hughes in their opinions regarding the franchise/team than there are who are like LKP. 56 years of frustrating futility apparently can do that to many, if not most Lions fans' psyches..haha!!

But IMO, anyone who posts with as much frequency as Hughes does, is emotionally hog-tied to the Lions franchise and its teams, only b/c I believe that the opposite of liking the Lions is indifference, not disliking or even hating it-them. Being completely indifferent would probably result in his very rarely posting on this forum, if at all.

There are hundreds of thousands or much more likely millions of Lions fans scattered all over the US and world-wide, yet I would estimate that less than 1% of them have registered to post on internet message boards and forums who have threads and topics regarding the NFL and the Lions as subject matter in particular.

Even far fewer bother to post with any degree of regularity, just based on the relatively small amount of DSF members who have more than 1,000 total posts, their being on the very low end, esp. when compared to the total members registered. So a member with upwards of 5000 posts most definitely is a hard-core Detroit/Michigan college and/or pro-sports fan... again this is JMO.

correct....I love the lions. I just hate the people that run it which has led to this shitshow we watch every sunday.

 

[zyxt9]

welp when we started 4-4 in 2012 I correctly predicted a 4-12 final record.

I then followed that up to correctly predict a 7-9 season in 2013.

Sooo....call me whatever the fuck you guys want .....but that's about as "Realistic" as you can get.

Easy Hughes, u and I have agreed more than disagrred. I wasn't calling u out, so sober up just a little bit cuz I'm not ur welp, nor anyone else's.

Predictions, as impressive as they may be over a short span, will always be nothing more than an opinion regardless of how much analysis is done. I'm not a big fan of the Caldwell hire, but he was a better option than most and infinitely better than keeping schwartz another year as he obviously lasted a year longer than he should have due to the stupid contract he had been given. Never should a player or coach be given an extension based on one good year, that is what and why incentive clauses are designed to provide compensation for performance, but LKP types will forever defend the extension decision.

Let's see what Caldwell does with this team though before sending him out the door. Defining him as a failure as a Lions HC at this point, while probably an accurate prediction, is an opposite equivalent to giving him an extension based on his comments on Stafford so far. Let's base his rewards or firings on actual performance instead of opinions and theories.

 

[mhughes0021]

Easy Hughes, u and I have agreed more than disagrred. I wasn't calling u out, so sober up just a little bit cuz I'm not ur welp, nor anyone else's.

Predictions, as impressive as they may be over a short span, will always be nothing more than an opinion regardless of how much analysis is done. I'm not a big fan of the Caldwell hire, but he was a better option than most and infinitely better than keeping schwartz another year as he obviously lasted a year longer than he should have due to the stupid contract he had been given. Never should a player or coach be given an extension based on one good year, that is what and why incentive clauses are designed to provide compensation for performance, but LKP types will forever defend the extension decision.

Let's see what Caldwell does with this team though before sending him out the door. Defining him as a failure as a Lions HC at this point, while probably an accurate prediction, is an opposite equivalent to giving him an extension based on his comments on Stafford so far. Let's base his rewards or firings on actual performance instead of opinions and theories.

lol wasn't referring to you Z...just saying in general people here can call me whatever they want....but im fairly accurate in most things I say and will gladly eat crow when im wrong. Levy im starting to get close to being wrong on....but ill let it go longer than 1 year before I declare myself wrong. 3 bad years still outweighs the 1 good one imo lol.


winning 7 games vs the competition we had and our SoS is pathetic. After watching the games we did in the championship rounds can you place us anywhere even in the same universe to those teams? I cant....

 

[grandy]

boldin is an aging WR that in his prime ran a 4.71 40. One year did he catch over 900 yards for them and his high was 7 tounchdowns....for what he was worth....he wasn't getting much production and that's why BAL made the smart decision not to keep him.

Pitta is a good TE...but hes not THAT good where you pin a losing season on him cause he was injured.

Flacco played worse on caldwells watch....that's all I know.

If he was any good they would have kept him to rebuild and to guide luck into the next chapter of colts football. But they didn't...they got rid of him...just like Baltimore did. A retread is one thing....but this is a retread that has failed pretty badly 2 out of his last 3 years.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2014/1/7/5284614/2013-2014-year-end-review-joe-flacco

There's a year-end review for Flacco if you want to read.

Keep in mind Flacco played exceptionally well at the end of last season and into the playoffs with Caldwell as OC. That leads me to think that it was a Flacco/personnel problem this past season, and changing blocking schemes didn't help either. We'll see how the Ravens do next season with a new OC.

As far as the Indy thing goes, the more I read, the more it looks like Caldwell was the scapegoat in that whole fiasco, essentially management wanting to tank the season when Peyton went down. Remember the whole "Suck for Luck" campaign?

Now if you want to talk about Wake Forest, that's all on Caldwell IMO, even a good coach should be able to win some games at a basketball-centered school...but I can't really knock him for the last 3 years or so, too much gray area when it comes to blame.

 

[grandy]

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/06/the-post-pitta-problem-its-a-big-one/

MMQB article from last August with a detailed prediction of Baltimore's offensive troubles

 

[zyxt9]

lol wasn't referring to you Z...just saying in general people here can call me whatever they want....but im fairly accurate in most things I say and will gladly eat crow when im wrong. Levy im starting to get close to being wrong on....but ill let it go longer than 1 year before I declare myself wrong. 3 bad years still outweighs the 1 good one imo lol.


winning 7 games vs the competition we had and our SoS is pathetic. After watching the games we did in the championship rounds can you place us anywhere even in the same universe to those teams? I cant....

Oh absolutely agree there is a huge gap in talent and coaching between Lions and the 4 CCG teams. Tough to overcome that gap in one or two years, and at that time this team will be reinventing itself yet again due to rookie contracts expiring and having to find cheap talent to fill the void from guys let go because they want more money after their rookie deal is done.

This is where all the restructure talk just results in spinning the wheels and same ol'lions still doing same ol' thing. I honestly don't think they are going to a super bowl until after at least one of the big 3 is no longer with the team. Sucks too cuz CJ deserves better than he is getting from the team,just like Barry experienced. On the flip side, CJ could cut his pay to get better talent and a ring, but mayhew would likely spend it all on only one more superstar instead of raising the talent level of the entire team or at least some areas of deficiency.

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2014/1/7/5284614/2013-2014-year-end-review-joe-flacco

There's a year-end review for Flacco if you want to read.

Keep in mind Flacco played exceptionally well at the end of last season and into the playoffs with Caldwell as OC. That leads me to think that it was a Flacco/personnel problem this past season, and changing blocking schemes didn't help either. We'll see how the Ravens do next season with a new OC.

As far as the Indy thing goes, the more I read, the more it looks like Caldwell was the scapegoat in that whole fiasco, essentially management wanting to tank the season when Peyton went down. Remember the whole "Suck for Luck" campaign?

Now if you want to talk about Wake Forest, that's all on Caldwell IMO, even a good coach should be able to win some games at a basketball-centered school...but I can't really knock him for the last 3 years or so, too much gray area when it comes to blame.

Ok....so his bad years dont count but im supposed to think it was all him that led the Indy team to the super bowl and 10 wins the following year? Rigggggght. Just tell me what hes done well?...a half of year at Baltimore?

 

[cheeno]

I like Caldwell. The man knows his limitations. He's obviously not going to be too involved in the playcalling or we would have hired our OC by now. He doesn't know jack about defense but he knows our secondary stinks so he brings in the best secondary guy he knows. He knows that secondary guy needs help with playcalling so he brings in a former DC as our linebackers coach. He's setting himself up to be the quiet guy behind the scenes who works with Stafford...way better than the other guy who came off like the CEO of Enron.

 

[mhughes0021]

I like Caldwell. The man knows his limitations. He's obviously not going to be too involved in the playcalling or we would have hired our OC by now. He doesn't no jack about defense but he knows our secondary stinks so he brings in the best secondary guy he knows. He knows that secondary guy needs help with playcalling so he brings in a former DC as our linebackers coach. He's setting himself up to be the quiet guy behind the scenes who works with Stafford...way better than the other guy who came off like the CEO of Enron.

The oc part scares me....maybe he is looking to have a big imprint on this offense which is why we still dont have an oc.

 

[cheeno]

The oc part scares me....maybe he is looking to have a big imprint on this offense which is why we still dont have an oc.

I think the QB coaches from playoff teams are in play.

 

[grandy]

Ok....so his bad years dont count but im supposed to think it was all him that led the Indy team to the super bowl and 10 wins the following year? Rigggggght. Just tell me what hes done well?...a half of year at Baltimore?

Did you not just read what I wrote about Wake Forest?

 

[mhughes0021]

Did you not just read what I wrote about Wake Forest?

ya but I meant the bad indy year that got him fired and the bad BAL year where he was about to get fired until we so graciously took him off their hands.

 

[grandy]

ya but I meant the bad indy year that got him fired and the bad BAL year where he was about to get fired until we so graciously took him off their hands.

Yeah, and those weren't all on Caldwell like I mentioned. He played a role, but I wouldn't put the majority of blame on him.