Can we all agree on this one thing?

[Michchamp]

Regardless of "who started it," separating little kids from their parents and putting them in cages is bad and wrong, and our government should not do this horribly traumatic thing to any immigrant families, regardless of why they are within our borders?

 

[Michchamp]

Semantics argument waiver:

If you can't bring yourself to agree, but are looking at an "angle" to attack this statement, because while you're a hyper-partisan Republican, on some level you are not also a monster and don't agree that taking a toddler away from their parents and locking them up is humane thing to do, let me state up front that I can change the word "cages" in my post to any of the following without fundamentally altering the point: jail cells, pens, rooms, restricted areas, or "restricted areas bounded by cage-like chain link fences."

 

[tomdalton22]

Regardless of "who started it," separating little kids from their parents and putting them in cages is bad and wrong, and our government should not do this horribly traumatic thing to any immigrant families, regardless of why they are within our borders?

I think we can

 

[Michchamp]

I think we can

I'm glad. also glad you don't want to quibble about whether they're being held in "cages" or "something else that defies definition."

 

[Gulo Blue]

I saw two stories with numbers of kids separated and if they can be trusted, it didn't just start now, but the rate of kids getting separated is over 13 times as many as it was a year ago. It was like 3 or 4 a day, and now it's close to 50 a day.

 

[turok]

The Trump administration blaming Dems for this practice is fucking ludicrous, They are using these young children/babies as hostages to force their support in funding the border wall.

 

[TheVictors]

Fuck Trump, the feckless cunt.

 

[biggunsbob]

The Jesus loving Christians have a lot of explaining to do when they get in front of God.

 

[turok]

Deputy accused of sexually assaulting girl, 4, threatening to have mother deported if she spoke up


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...poke-up/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.90108cdc0b49

 

[sggatecl]

I don't doubt that there will be a couple tough guys here that will say 'their parent's shouldn't have broke the law, oh well.'

 

[biggunsbob]

Deputy accused of sexually assaulting girl, 4, threatening to have mother deported if she spoke up


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...poke-up/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.90108cdc0b49

So freaking sad. Thanks for finding this .. I missed it . Damn it all. Hope the guy gets the largest posssible sentence if found guilty. Looks like a clear cut case .

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't doubt that there will be a couple tough guys here that will say 'their parent's shouldn't have broke the law, oh well.'

Not on this board, I hope.

 

[turok]

Trump administration wants asylum-seekers to go to designated intakes, but the routes to them from Mexico are fraught with danger from predatory criminals and wild animals, so they try entering in safer but isolated and unauthorized areas.

 

[turok]

So freaking sad. Thanks for finding this .. I missed it . Damn it all. Hope the guy gets the largest posssible sentence if found guilty. Looks like a clear cut case .

b/c of the zero-tolerance stance taken by the Trump administration, rapes, beatings, harassment, and sexual assaults of the undocumented women and children have increasingly gone unreported since early last year.

 

[tomdalton22]

b/c of the zero-tolerance stance taken by the Trump administration, rapes, beatings, harassment, and sexual assaults of the undocumented women and children have increasingly gone unreported since early last year.

how do you know they are going unreported? Is there a secret report of unreported incidents that only you know about?

 

[turok]

how do you know they are going unreported? Is there a secret report of unreported incidents that only you know about?

Did you read the entire article that I linked to?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Did you read the entire article that I linked to?

The only article I saw that you posted to was about a deputy sheriff who abused a child.

That is a terrible terrible tragedy if it’s true but nothing in the article matched what you claimed in post number 14.

 

[tinselwolverine]

b/c of the zero-tolerance stance taken by the Trump administration, rapes, beatings, harassment, and sexual assaults of the undocumented women and children have increasingly gone unreported since early last year.

I heard this funny story about Bill Clinton's philosophy on respect for facts, but it could apply to any partisan on either side who refuses to let facts get in the way of making a point:

"Always tell a small lie when the truth will do."

"Always tell a big lie when a small lie will do."

Your claim is impossible to be true on the face of it.

The zero tolerance stance goes back to April 18 of this year, not to the beginning of last year.

That doesn't mean that families weren't separated before - it's been going on for years - but it didn't just start when Sessions announced the "zero tolerance" stance on April 18.

Also the zero tolerance stance refers to families being separated - more specifically, all adults seeking entry without proceeding through the lawful channels being prosecuted for a misdemeanor, as opposed to the previous policy of catch and release - not people trying to gain access to crossing the US border being subject to atrocities, which has also been going on for years.

 

[turok]

The only article I saw that you posted to was about a deputy sheriff who abused a child.

That is a terrible terrible tragedy if it?s true but nothing in the article matched what you claimed in post number 14.

"In the past year, law enforcement agencies from California to New Jersey have indeed reported drops in crime reporting among predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods."


"In a nationwide survey conducted by the American Civil Liberties Union and National Immigrant Women?s Advocacy Project, 70 percent of prosecutors said sexual assault is now underreported and harder to investigate than before Trump took office."


. "In Houston, the number of Hispanics reporting rape in 2017 decreased nearly 43 percent from 2016, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo said last year. Those reporting other violent crimes dropped by 13 percent.
?It looks like they?re going further into the shadows? Acevedo told The Washington Post in May of last year."

 

[tomdalton22]

"In the past year, law enforcement agencies from California to New Jersey have indeed reported drops in crime reporting among predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods."


"In a nationwide survey conducted by the American Civil Liberties Union and National Immigrant Women?s Advocacy Project, 70 percent of prosecutors said sexual assault is now underreported and harder to investigate than before Trump took office."


. "In Houston, the number of Hispanics reporting rape in 2017 decreased nearly 43 percent from 2016, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo said last year. Those reporting other violent crimes dropped by 13 percent.
?It looks like they?re going further into the shadows? Acevedo told The Washington Post in May of last year."

another explanation could be that crime has decreased since Trump took office