cbs says joepa has died

[tinselwolverine]

I guess I have the slightest degree of empathy for the Penn State fan base, and also participants who went through the program who had no idea what was or had been going on - except for Matt Millen, because of the way he fucked up the Detroit Lions.

As for the family, I guess I have a little empathy for them; they probably had no idea what was going on.

I have less than no sympathy for Paterno. Actually, I think he got off easy.

 

[TheVictors]

In re-reading my post, I feel I should clarify ... I don't feel bad for the fans because of the state of the program and Paterno's role. I do feel bad for the fanbase of Alumni and others who just loved Penn State football all along and who supported Paterno 60.5yrs.

 

[Michchamp]

I absolutely feel bad for Penn St. fans. They had no reason to know. Not to mention, it could have been us.

I don't really feel bad for them, by-and-large. I'm sure there are some innocent kids who idolized the Paterno they knew from TV, were too young to understand what he did wrong (or failed to do right), and it sucks for them.

but the rest of them... the ones rioting and blaming the victims here... yikes. You cheer for a program, you ignore the rampant criminal issues surrounding it, you get no sympathy when this happens (from me at least).

Also: I don't think this could've been us. Michigan football gets WAY more scrutiny from the Detroit media than Penn State receives. Michigan football isn't as big relative to the Detroit press as PennSt is in State College; no one around there would dare touch it. Even if Paterno came here in 1969, AND hired Sandusky along the way, they wouldn't have been to keep things under raps if they were only 40 miles outside Detroit. it would've blown up in 2000, or whenever the allegations first came about.

 

[redandguilty]

I absolutely feel bad for Penn St. fans. They had no reason to know. Not to mention, it could have been us.

I don't really feel bad for them, by-and-large. I'm sure there are some innocent kids who idolized the Paterno they knew from TV, were too young to understand what he did wrong (or failed to do right), and it sucks for them.

but the rest of them... the ones rioting and blaming the victims here... yikes. You cheer for a program, you ignore the rampant criminal issues surrounding it, you get no sympathy when this happens (from me at least).

Also: I don't think this could've been us. Michigan football gets WAY more scrutiny from the Detroit media than Penn State receives. Michigan football isn't as big relative to the Detroit press as PennSt is in State College; no one around there would dare touch it. Even if Paterno came here in 1969, AND hired Sandusky along the way, they wouldn't have been to keep things under raps if they were only 40 miles outside Detroit. it would've blown up in 2000, or whenever the allegations first came about.

OK, then this could have been us in 2000. ...and I think we would have had people rioting just like they did. To argue that we would have had less of that than them would require having a clue about how many Penn State fans acted that way. I think that number has been exaggerated through media. Rioters were few. One media van got tipped over. The rally at Paterno's house was not a riot and it probably would have happened in Ann Arbor. Those people don't want to believe JP would just look the other way, which is different from them being ok with it.

 

[hungry]

I still believe that there are a lot of facts that we do not know. Some act like they know a lot more than they do.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't really feel bad for them, by-and-large. I'm sure there are some innocent kids who idolized the Paterno they knew from TV, were too young to understand what he did wrong (or failed to do right), and it sucks for them.

but the rest of them... the ones rioting and blaming the victims here... yikes. You cheer for a program, you ignore the rampant criminal issues surrounding it, you get no sympathy when this happens (from me at least).

Also: I don't think this could've been us. Michigan football gets WAY more scrutiny from the Detroit media than Penn State receives. Michigan football isn't as big relative to the Detroit press as PennSt is in State College; no one around there would dare touch it. Even if Paterno came here in 1969, AND hired Sandusky along the way, they wouldn't have been to keep things under raps if they were only 40 miles outside Detroit. it would've blown up in 2000, or whenever the allegations first came about.

OK, then this could have been us in 2000. ...and I think we would have had people rioting just like they did. To argue that we would have had less of that than them would require having a clue about how many Penn State fans acted that way. I think that number has been exaggerated through media. Rioters were few. One media van got tipped over. The rally at Paterno's house was not a riot and it probably would have happened in Ann Arbor. Those people don't want to believe JP would just look the other way, which is different from them being ok with it.

And if Jesus had had a machine gun, he could have shot those Roman fuckers right in the balls before they tacked him up on the cross.

The "rioters" were a (relatively) small group of young dumbasses who got caught up in the moment of a fairly momentous event...(I guess that's a little reduncant but fuck it anyway).

They don't reflect the Penn State fanbase as a whole...

 

[wheels002]

It has become clear since the scandal has come to light that the old man had way to much power on campus than he should have had. His players were allowed to run around campus and do what ever they wanted without fear of repercussion because Joe would bail them out or strong arm anyone who tried to stand up to him. It seems to me that his legacy and the win record was the most important thing to him. But you cant also over look the good things he did do for Penn St and the community

I am willing to bet now that he has passed more will come out in regards to things he covered up. I have no doubt that it happens on every campus but more so at PSU because of the small guarded community around the college and the almost mythical status that Joe Pa had.

 

[TheVictors]

I still believe that there are a lot of facts that we do not know. Some act like they know a lot more than they do.

Agreed. Just as some act as if nothing happened (or chooses to pretend that's the case)

Cute, cuddly little JoePa is an Ivy Leaguer, after all, and managed to stay in office for six decades ....he's no dummy. I doubt he knew how to respond to Sandusky's deplorable behavior based partly on his age and generation that wouldn't know how to react.

 

[redandguilty]

When this video came out, it was early in the story, and even less clear what Paterno knew. Now that it's pretty clear that he knew enough to act on, it's difficult to make sense of what he says here and why he's grinning.


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[Michchamp]

hey did you guys see the new report?

now cbs is saying JoePa is actually alive and has joined a Hall & Oates tribute band in Philadelphia.

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