Coronainsanity

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozlbeXrb_5A

Bill thinks that poorer nations are having too many kids, because they don?t have access to contraception. Or, ultimately, abortion. The ?tools? he alludes to. Bill is concerned that the kids being born are a burden on those older than themselves, and fewer of them is a good thing for everyone involved. The population density in Niger, one of his targeted countries where things could become ?impossible? is 17 people per square kilometer.

Here?s an idea for Bill. Just take care of whoever is born in Niger, rather than preventing the event. Care for the babies that are being born. Recommend other natural methods of ?spacing out? births. They are highly effective.

He thinks the worlds? population is at a ?manageable? size of 2.1 kids, with his tell-tale smirk. @ 1:42.

1:05 ?What we need to do ...? to the end. *chills* and not the good ones.

That's a huge difference. Targeted concern for poor places where there are currently 7 kids per family likely heading for disaster is entirely different from a desire for policy to force global population reduction. And it's definitely not a reason for me to question his work/interest in reducing disease, pushing nuclear power, or worrying about food supplies.

 

[byco42]

That's a huge difference. Targeted concern for poor places where there are currently 7 kids per family likely heading for disaster is entirely different from a desire for policy to force global population reduction. And it's definitely not a reason for me to question his work/interest in reducing disease, pushing nuclear power, or worrying about food supplies.

I do not think that the number of kids per family is the “problem”. Make those children part of the “solution” instead and promote other “tools” that can effect the similar result that Gates wants, without artificial means. And still lavish these areas with the technology, goods, and services that Gates really hasn’t identified.

And Gates does want to reduce population growth where he thinks it’s growing too “fast.” “Niger has seven children per family!” “Something must be done about that!”

 

[Spartanmack]

You said you understood that that meant I'd heard of this idea before and your response is ?Nobody said he was the first?. What are you trying to say about me hearing the idea before?

This is one of those really simple things I don't understand unless you explain it to me.

Just that I didn't think Bill Gates was the first person you've heard talk about a climate migrant crisis. I'm aware there are "climate experts" spinning and pinning virtually everything they can, from wars to weather events on climate change.

why is that so difficult? If you want me to be more specific in my response, be more specific in yours.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Just that I didn't think Bill Gates was the first person you've heard talk about a climate migrant crisis. I'm aware there are "climate experts" spinning and pinning virtually everything they can, from wars to weather events on climate change.

why is that so difficult? If you want me to be more specific in my response, be more specific in yours.

Thanks for the completely posturing-free comment about what you think I've heard then. It was very informative and added to the quality of this discussion.

 

[Spartanmack]

Thanks for the completely posturing-free comment about what you think I've heard then. It was very informative and added to the quality of this discussion.

it was no less informative or value added than "he's not the first one..."

 

[Gulo Blue]

I do not think that the number of kids per family is the ?problem?. Make those children part of the ?solution? instead and promote other ?tools? that can effect the similar result that Gates wants, without artificial means. And still lavish these areas with the technology, goods, and services that Gates really hasn?t identified.

And Gates does want to reduce population growth where he thinks it?s growing too ?fast.? ?Niger has seven children per family!? ?Something must be done about that!?

I think that's why past global predictions of population booms leading to starvation haven't happened. Food production skyrocketed beyond expectations and population growth drops everywhere wealth grows. The trend cuts across religions and cultures. If there's no expectation for wealth to grow or food production to increase, I don't think it's safe to assume we'll just find a way again. We're getting better, but people still starve.

 

[Sbee]

I think that's why past global predictions of population booms leading to starvation haven't happened. Food production skyrocketed beyond expectations and population growth drops everywhere wealth grows. The trend cuts across religions and cultures. If there's no expectation for wealth to grow or food production to increase, I don't think it's safe to assume we'll just find a way again. We're getting better, but people still starve.

If everyone ate as much meat as Americans, every square inch of land on earth would have to be used for livestock. we'll have to adapt, either prices, we consume less, or produce genetically cloned meat.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If everyone ate as much meat as Americans, every square inch of land on earth would have to be used for livestock. we'll have to adapt, either prices, we consume less, or produce genetically cloned meat.

I can envision the cloned meat becoming a thing. It has to get cheaper than real meat, but if a 40% increase in population comes with a 70% increase in food consumption, meat could get expensive enough to meet the dropping price of 'meat'.

I'd try it.

 

[tomdalton22]

I have heard meatless meat advertised on XM radio. I think it's called Gardein? Has anybody here tried it?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I have heard meatless meat advertised on XM radio. I think it's called Gardein? Has anybody here tried it?

No, but I've tried other plant based stuff from Beyond Meat and Impossible Burger. They're ok for what they are. Better than what came before. I think they got genetically modified soybeans and yeast to produce heme, which is a component in hemoglobin they claim give meat it's flavor. That's the marketing anyway.

The cloned stuff isn't commercial yet and probably isn't even close, but it's a theoretical path to a better product.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The difference between a really good hamburger and a Whopper is greater than the difference between a Whopper and the Impossible Whopper.

I might go so far as to say that if you gave me an Impossible Whopper and didn't tell me, I might not notice, but that might say more about the Whopper than the Impossible Whopper.

 

[byco42]

I’m doing my part, apparently. Not a meat eater since May, 2019.

 

[Spartanmack]

I’m doing my part, apparently. Not a meat eater since May, 2019.

all meat, just beef, land animals?

Maybe vegetarians should be able to sell CO2 credits to meat eaters so they can offset their meat consumption like Bill Gates does with his bio-fueled fleet of private jets which actually aren't good for the environment or battling climate change.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Maybe vegetarians should be able to sell CO2 credits to meat eaters so they can offset their meat consumption like Bill Gates does with his bio-fueled fleet of private jets which actually aren't good for the environment or battling climate change.

Strange that I just read about this in his book then.

 

[Spartanmack]

Strange that I just read about this in his book then.

What is strange about it? It?s not the first time he?s talked about biofuels or carbon credits. I haven?t read the book (probably going to wait for the movie) but I?ve read or seen interview pieces where he?s talked about those things to excuse why he doesn?t practice what he preaches.

 

[Gulo Blue]

What is strange about it? It’s not the first time he’s talked about biofuels or carbon credits. I haven’t read the book (probably going to wait for the movie) but I’ve read or seen interview pieces where he’s talked about those things to excuse why he doesn’t practice what he preaches.

No, the topic of the link you posted, that biofuels in one place can stress the food supply, which hurts poor people, and ultimately probably results in trees getting cut down somewhere else which results in even more CO2 being released.

 

[byco42]

all meat, just beef, land animals?

Maybe vegetarians should be able to sell CO2 credits to meat eaters so they can offset their meat consumption like Bill Gates does with his bio-fueled fleet of private jets which actually aren't good for the environment or battling climate change.

All land- and air-animal protein. Very selected fish, those nearer the bottom of the food chain.

 

[Spartanmack]

All land- and air-animal protein. Very selected fish, those nearer the bottom of the food chain.

was it hard? I thought about cutting back on beef and pork, but what I've been reading lately about diet seems to indicate that animal fat and protein are beneficial in fairly large proportion to overall diet. Unsurprisingly, the science behind the FDA diet pyramid is not particularly sound - apparently it's based on a limited population and the results of the study it's based on have never been successfully replicated.

Avoiding processed foods and certain grains like corn, including grain feed beef is an important part so that could be as hard or harder than quitting bacon and pork chops.

 

[Gulo Blue]

was it hard? I thought about cutting back on beef and pork, but what I've been reading lately about diet seems to indicate that animal fat and protein are beneficial in fairly large proportion to overall diet. Unsurprisingly, the science behind the FDA diet pyramid is not particularly sound - apparently it's based on a limited population and the results of the study it's based on have never been successfully replicated.

Avoiding processed foods and certain grains like corn, including grain feed beef is an important part so that could be as hard or harder than quitting bacon and pork chops.

I think the food pyramid was retired like a decade ago. Don't know what replaced it. It was a replacement for the 4 food groups.

When did they discover gut biomes? I wonder if it was all upended by gut biomes.

 

[Spartanmack]

If everyone ate as much meat as Americans, every square inch of land on earth would have to be used for livestock. we'll have to adapt, either prices, we consume less, or produce genetically cloned meat.

according to what? In 2015 beef consumption was 24.8B tons with net imports being just 1.17B (imports were 3.37B while exports were about 2.3B), less than 5% of consumption. Considering that both pork and chicken pounds per acre are considerably higher than beef, I'm calling bull shit on this one, seems highly unlikely even if you're counting feedstock acreage.