Coronainsanity

[tomdalton22]

they helpfully cited the authority on the second line of the title of the order:

"ORDER UNDER SECTION 361 OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE ACT 42 USC 264
AND 42 CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS 70.2"​

the CARES Act suspended foreclosures against landlords (and homeowners), among other points of relief. they still owe the money of course, but so do the tenants, so in theory, it will either all work itself out, right?

Landlords have a very difficult time collecting from deadbeat tenants. Banks can foreclose on properties. My guess is the housing bubble will burst about 12-18 months after the CARES act expires. Foreclosures will drive prices down.

 

[byco42]

they helpfully cited the authority on the second line of the title of the order:

"ORDER UNDER SECTION 361 OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE ACT 42 USC 264
AND 42 CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS 70.2"​

the CARES Act suspended foreclosures against landlords (and homeowners), among other points of relief. they still owe the money of course, but so do the tenants, so in theory, it will either all work itself out, right?

So this is more of a forbearance? If so, never mind. EDIT: I mean, here's an example of the government dropping a cinderblock on your foot and handing you an ice pack.

 

[byco42]

Landlords have a very difficult time collecting from deadbeat tenants. Banks can foreclose on properties. My guess is the housing bubble will burst about 12-18 months after the CARES act expires. Foreclosures will drive prices down.

I agree on the bubble. Two many dollars in the M1 bucket, which, IMO, artificially inflates housing prices.

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[zyxt9]

Both UM and MSU are mandating vaccines for all faculty, staff and students, AND masks in all indoor spaces this fall (link). So is Wayne State; the other Michigan universities are more wishy-washy about it.

I guess none of those professors or administrators read the Daily Wire, watch tinfoil hat youtube videos, or take CDC statements out of context... OR read this board, and so they don't know masks are "totally useless" and vaccinations are a Chicom control mechanism.

According to various articles, Counterfeit vaccine cards are $50-$500 (link) if you want to secretly "own the libs" and have money burning a hole in your pocket.

You could just get vaccinated for free, and go about your business all the same. but to each his own...

If you need to keep up your rep among your Republitard buddies, you could just get vaccinated for free, then lie to them that you're not vaccinated & say your card is counterfeit.

what tangled webs we weave...

Wait...so, everyone has to be vaccinated AND wear masks? Talk about a serious WTF mandate.

And I will not be surprised to learn about counterfeit vaccination records. Drugs, guns, money, and other things have a black market, so will any mandatory vaccination records. When the oppressors push too hard, the will of the oppressed will push them toward illegal measures, regardless of how harmful such measures may be to themselves or others, or how expensive the penalty / fine associated if one is caught.

I wonder when they will mandate everyone who is outside their home must move around in a 12' diameter bubble, while wearing a mask and having proof of their vaccinations. I mean, it really is a beneficial concept since there are thousands of people who are hit by cars each year across the US and being hit by a car as a pedestrian has a far higher Mortality Rate than COVID.

So a bubble will protect everyone from COVID as well as cars!!!

And if I put a layer of ballistics gel inside it for the first 2' of the thickness, it would also solve the gun violence problem!!!

That's it! I'm opening a company that manufactures these bubbles tomorrow!!!!!

 

[Spartanmack]

Florida has been dodgy reporting their own data, so I don't know why you'd accept anything coming from DeSantis' administration, especially since it's so obvious he's already angling for the GOP nomination in 2024.

Where's your evidence for that? the chart you linked below matches the florida reported numbers, not the CDC numbers. Let me guess, they haven't actually been dodgy but since they refused to lock down (with better outcomes), you think it's OK to lie about them. DeSantis made science informed decision that didn't conform to your ill-advised and ineffective preferred solution, so why not make up some stories about how he's an evil corporate shill, then move on when asked for evidence. That about sum it up?

Florida has been far and away the worst for new cases over the last month, even before this, although they only update their data weekly, not daily like CA and TX, the next two worse.

Florida is still not in the top 25 states in deaths per capita. Texas, the state you hate almost as much but "choose" to live in is 25th. The top 3 are all major lockdown states - including two that forced nursing homes to lockdown but accept COVID positive residents.

Florida also threatened and seized property of their former health director at gun point when she blew the whistle on their numbers, so I don't know why you'd trust anything from there, except that you're complete tool who falls for partisan politics completely, and actually believes "your side" is innocent of the things the other side does.

So? Her property was seized while authorities were executing a warrant as part of a criminal investigation against her. And in case you didn't know this, virtually every warrant is executed at gun point. It's not necessarily right, but its also not remotely unique or out of the ordinary. She is getting her day in court.

This last bit sounds a lot like the rant you went on over the Donzinger case where you left out all the details of the crimes he was accused and found guilty of in order to make it look like the court was railroading a guy whose only crime was beating a big oil company in court. Turns out Donzinger led a massive bribery scam with corrupt Ecuadorian judges, falsified evidence, buried unfavorable evidence and then got control of the awarded funds and kept it all for himself without paying the indiginous victims a dime or paying to clean up a single site.

I'm sensing another pattern here...

 

[tigermud]

A new report by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh has found that the most highly educated Americans are also the most vaccine hesitant.

The researchers canvassed no fewer than 5 million Americans who responded to surveys on whether they were ?probably? or ?definitely not planning on getting a COVID vaccine.

The results will shock many.

?More surprising is the breakdown in vaccine hesitancy by level of education,? reports UnHerd. ?It finds that the association between hesitancy and education level follows a U-shaped curve with the highest hesitancy among those least and most educated. People a master?s degree had the least hesitancy, and the highest hesitancy was among those holding a PhD.?

In addition, while the lowest educated saw the largest drop in vaccine hesitancy for the first five months of 2021, those with PhD?s were the most likely to not change their minds.

The study also reveals that the most common concern for those who are hesitant to take the vaccine is potential side-effects, with a lack of trust in government close behind in second.

The results of the investigation completely debunk the notion, amplified by media narratives, that only ?dumb? people are vaccine hesitant.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf

 

[Spartanmack]

So this is more of a forbearance? If so, never mind. EDIT: I mean, here's an example of the government dropping a cinderblock on your foot and handing you an ice pack.

forbearance isn't a magic pill by any means - it still affects your credit. During the pandemic, we chose to take advantage of forbearance and putting ~1/3 in savings and investing the rest of our mortgage payments. Then when the lockdowns eased we listed our house, cashed in the investments, made all of our catchup payments (~4 months) and sold our house.

When we applied for a mortgage, we had to jump through all kinds of additional hoops because lenders freaked out about the forbearance - even though we were current on our mortgage prior to closing on our house, had closed on the house and had plenty of liquidity and income for the new loan. I can only imagine how difficult it will be on landlords who took the forbearance and later defaulted because they'll end up settling for less or nothing with tenants who won't have the money to pay back rent after the moratorium.

 

[Spartanmack]

Florida has been dodgy reporting their own data, so I don't know why you'd accept anything coming from DeSantis' administration, especially since it's so obvious he's already angling for the GOP nomination in 2024.

Florida has been far and away the worst for new cases over the last month, even before this, although they only update their data weekly, not daily like CA and TX, the next two worse.

Florida also threatened and seized property of their former health director at gun point when she blew the whistle on their numbers, so I don't know why you'd trust anything from there, except that you're complete tool who falls for partisan politics completely, and actually believes "your side" is innocent of the things the other side does.

Here's a quick follow up that indicates the CDC, has corrected their COVID case numbers for Florida. Did you get that - it was the CDC, not Florida that corrected their numbers??? Maybe your assertion that DeSantis and the Florida DOH are lying is entirely baseless, despite the compelling evidence you cited as proof he's lying (or forcing the Fla DOH to lie) - because he's probably going to run for the GOP nom in 2024. If that's not proof he's lying, what is?

Of course, in your mind, this along with all the other flip-flopping the CDC has done isn't evidence that maybe you shouldn't trust the CDC. No, no it's definitely DeSantis who has been consistent AND right, that can't be trusted.

 

[Gulo Blue]

add this to the list of things to consider while you're following the money

Rand Paul slow walked his disclosure that he had a financial interest in remdesivir this whole time.
https://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-discloses-16-months-030124977.html

 

[Gulo Blue]

A new report by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh has found that the most highly educated Americans are also the most vaccine hesitant.

That's interesting. I might expect some bump because Ph.D.s in general are contrarian, never-certain people slow to form positions, but not that much of a bump. I'd also think there'd be some correlation between masters and PhDs. Good find.

 

[tinselwolverine]

add this to the list of things to consider while you're following the money

Rand Paul slow walked his disclosure that he had a financial interest in remdesivir this whole time.
https://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-discloses-16-months-030124977.html

Follow the money to where about what?

Nothing Paul has been in the news about relating to Covid has anything to do with Remdesivir.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Follow the money to where about what?

Nothing Paul has been in the news about relating to Covid has anything to do with Remdesivir.

No, just undermining vaccine and mask use. Not related at all.

 

[Spartanmack]

Follow the money to where about what?

Nothing Paul has been in the news about relating to Covid has anything to do with Remdesivir.

follow the money bro, Mrs. Paul bought between $1k and $15k worth of Gilead, and lost money on the position, which would mean she has sold the stock - unless the writer doesn't know the difference between realized and unrealized losses and said "Kelly Paul ended up losing money" instead of "so far, Kelly Paul has a paper loss on the position" So if he sold it, clearly he hasn't had a financial interest in Remdesivir "this whole time" yet he continues to maintain consistent position and messaging, probably to cover his tracks.

If she bought the high end of the range and the stock went up 70% (way more than any COVID related drug maker stock I'm aware of), Rand and his wife would have pocketed a cool $10.5k. Follow the money!

 

[tinselwolverine]

No, just undermining vaccine and mask use. Not related at all.

You?re right.

They?re not related at all.

He has chosen not to get the vacc himself because he probably has natural immunity.

I?m 60 years old. I never got a measles, mumps nor chicken pox vaccine.

Know why? I had them all as a kid, before the vaccines were readily available. I have natural immunity to all of them.

I defy you to show me any evidence that Paul recommends against the vacc for those without natural immunity

He should undermine the useless and worthless masks. There is zero data they?re an effective mitigant, and mountains of data that they?re not.

Are you going to complain that he undermines voodoo as a Covid mitigant because his wife has some financial interest in Remdisivir next?

 

[Gulo Blue]

You?re right.

They?re not related at all.

He has chosen not to get the vacc himself because he probably has natural immunity.

I'm glad you understand that. You think everyone does? Or is he one of the go-to people for anti-vaxers to cite and share videos of because people don't track the caveats?

 

[byco42]

No, just undermining vaccine and mask use. Not related at all.

I think it as much about the monolithic and axiomatic position of government, big med, big pharma, and big tech in this and other matters. It's the "you will be assimilated" or "pay the consequences" stance it is taking and that it demands of us that Paul resists.

Paul is "undermining" nothing. He's above board, expressing his opinion, that we are free to accept or not. The converse courtesy is non-existent.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think it as much about the monolithic and axiomatic position of government, big med, big pharma, and big tech in this and other matters. It's the "you will be assimilated" or "pay the consequences" stance it is taking and that it demands of us that Paul resists.

Paul is "undermining" nothing. He's above board, expressing his opinion, that we are free to accept or not. The converse courtesy is non-existent.

Above board? Keeping this financial position secret is not above board.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm glad you understand that. You think everyone does? Or is he one of the go-to people for anti-vaxers to cite and share videos of because people don't track the caveats?

I don?t know.

I suppose I could do a poll.

I think it?s more likely he?s the one of the go-to people for worthless mitigation supporting public health officials, teacher never returning to the classroom with an argument based on voodoo supporting public employee union leaders, to cite and share videos of because people don?t track the caveats.

 

[byco42]

Above board? Keeping this financial position secret is not above board.

Now you are being obtuse.

And the "financial position" he kept "secret" appears to be a disadvantageous one.

"Last year Dr. Paul completed the reporting form for an investment made by his wife using her own earnings, an investment which she has lost money on. This was done in the appropriate reporting time window," Cooper (a Paul assistant) said in a statement.

"In the process of preparing to file his annual financial disclosure for last year, he learned that the form was not transmitted and promptly alerted the filing office and requested their guidance. In accordance with that guidance he filed both reports today."

News of the delayed financial disclosure drew swift backlash from government ethics experts and advocates on Wednesday.

"The senator ought to have an explanation for the trade and, more importantly, why it took him almost a year and a half to discover it from his wife," James Cox, a law professor at Duke University, told The Washington Post, which first reported the disclosure.​

Maybe Cox has not read this article in which he was quoted for Paul's explanation.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Now you are being obtuse.

And the "financial position" he kept "secret" appears to be a disadvantageous one.

"Last year Dr. Paul completed the reporting form for an investment made by his wife using her own earnings, an investment which she has lost money on. This was done in the appropriate reporting time window," Cooper (a Paul assistant) said in a statement.

"In the process of preparing to file his annual financial disclosure for last year, he learned that the form was not transmitted and promptly alerted the filing office and requested their guidance. In accordance with that guidance he filed both reports today."

News of the delayed financial disclosure drew swift backlash from government ethics experts and advocates on Wednesday.

"The senator ought to have an explanation for the trade and, more importantly, why it took him almost a year and a half to discover it from his wife," James Cox, a law professor at Duke University, told The Washington Post, which first reported the disclosure.​

Maybe Cox has not read this article in which he was quoted for Paul's explanation.

Why the quotes around financial position and secret? It's exactly what he did. If you wanted to give an example of something not above board, this would be a good one. It's what that phrase means.