Coronainsanity

[tigermud]

Well I think the data is showing the unvacced are primarily at risk.

That said, you know I think the vacc should be one?s personal choice.

I simply reject that data, I believe it's all lies as the lies are required for the narrative and global depopulation agenda. There are people on this planet that believe they have the moral authority to "save the earth" from the useless eaters human existence virus. It's the 4th Reich, it never completely died after WW2, it escaped, went below the equator, regrouped changed tactics and long gamed it. I am completely serious. if you have never seen the history channels hunting hitler series, it's all there.

most will only care only after it impacts them directly, by then it's too late unfortunately.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I said something similar to my doctor last month and he said good luck with that. Plan A did not produce a viable option. onto Plan B

Jackboots, libdems are jackboot
https://rumble.com/vnf6at-ted-cruz-...king-down-on-concerned-and-angry-parents.html

Instead of the hyperbole, Cruz and other Republicans should lead with the data and the facts. The data and facts are on their side.

 

[tigermud]

Instead of the hyperbole, Cruz and other Republicans should lead with the data and the facts. The data and facts are on their side.

I almost didn't post that because I don't really care for Hannity all that much, But they are in fact jackboots so . submit

 

[tinselwolverine]

I almost didn't post that because I don't really care for Hannity all that much, But they are in fact jackboots so . submit

The danger of this malady to kids statistically rounds down to 0%. Around 400 deaths in a population of 75,000,000.

6 - or 5 or 7 - with whatever it is that sgg was talking about. 6 - or 5 or 7 - out of 75 million. Literally.

Leave the jack booted thugs hyperbole to someone who isn?t a US Senator.

 

[Spartanmack]

UK report from Public Health England.

Look at Pages 19 and 20 of the report.

Link

According to this, the death rate for people over 50 who get the Delta variant in the UK is over 20% (590/8551) but only 1,786 people in that category were hospitalized. That seems a bit odd. And for unvaccinated people under 50 who got the Delta bug the death rate is .026% - 1,000x higher for people over 50, that also seems a bit odd.

"Over 50" also seems overly broad - I wonder how that would look if they drilled down into more age bands.

91% of delta cases in people over 50 are vaccinated, most fully vaccinated. What's the vaccination rate in the UK?

 

[Thumb]

The danger of this malady to kids statistically rounds down to 0%. Around 400 deaths in a population of 75,000,000.

6 - or 5 or 7 - with whatever it is that sgg was talking about. 6 - or 5 or 7 - out of 75 million. Literally.

Leave the jack booted thugs hyperbole to someone who isn?t a US Senator.

I honestly can't tell if you're just trolling here or what...it's pretty clear the 5-7 he was talking about in no way correlates to whatever 75 million you're talking about.

Also nice to know those 400 dead kids don't matter "statistically".

 

[tinselwolverine]

I honestly can't tell if you're just trolling here or what...it's pretty clear the 5-7 he was talking about in no way correlates to whatever 75 million you're talking about.

Also nice to know those 400 dead kids don't matter "statistically".

I double checked. It?s actually 587 deaths. The 75,000,000 is the population of the United States under the age of 18.

Stats don?t have a heart, conscience or a soul. They?re just numbers.

They?re numbers used to calculate probabilities.

Kids are 99.9999 % safe.

The VAERS data are also stats.

The shot is not perfectly safe, according to the VAERS reporting.

One could say it?s relatively safe, like flying is relatively safe, or freeway travel is relatively safe, and one could say that according to one?s health category, the shot for many is safer than the Covid. I did the calculation with my own doc, I got the shot.

Based on the VAERS data against the Covid data, it is a blind leap of faith to speculate that the not completely safe shot will make kids safer from something they?ve already virtually 100% safe from.

Based on the VAERS data, it?s way more likely than not that the shot will kill more than 587.

 

[Michchamp]

It seems like we dodged a bullet here with school reopenings, at least for now. The numbers were creeping up (my kids' school publishes active cases among students and faculty), and then dropped, along with the general drop in cases.

Of course, the way things have been going, the less cautious approach generally means the next wave (which will be in two months, or around December) will be worse. Or will be WAY worse when if this inevitably mutates - because that's what viruses constantly do - to affect younger persons more virulently, or spread among them more. You're allowing a virulent illness with a demonstrated propensity to mutate rapidly linger in the population... this is almost inevitable.

It's amusing that we're now 22 months into this in the U.S. and the same people who've been wrong from day one, insisting this was nothing to worry about, we're overreacting, it's not more deadly than the flu, not more virulent, the cautious were "sheep" or "pussies," any government actions to mitigate the spread are "tyranny"... and despite being consistently wrong, and only being able to think in terms of absolutes in the immediate present, rather than probabilities and future outcomes... they're still at it!

My uncle and cousin just got it. My uncle is really sick, but not at the verge of checking himself into the hospital yet. My cousin has a milder case, but couldn't go to the hospital for the birth of his child & his wife, who is positive but asymptomatic has been told by the hospital staff to keep a mask on while holding her baby. Of course the un-cautious "science believers" would deride that as stupid. What are the chances the baby gets sick and dies, right? Fuck it. Better to own the libs by telling the doctors to buzz off and doing what ever they want. it's a free country.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It seems like we dodged a bullet here with school reopenings, at least for now. The numbers were creeping up (my kids' school publishes active cases among students and faculty), and then dropped, along with the general drop in cases.

Of course, the way things have been going, the less cautious approach generally means the next wave (which will be in two months, or around December) will be worse. Or will be WAY worse when if this inevitably mutates - because that's what viruses constantly do - to affect younger persons more virulently, or spread among them more. You're allowing a virulent illness with a demonstrated propensity to mutate rapidly linger in the population... this is almost inevitable.

It's amusing that we're now 22 months into this in the U.S. and the same people who've been wrong from day one, insisting this was nothing to worry about, we're overreacting, it's not more deadly than the flu, not more virulent, the cautious were "sheep" or "pussies," any government actions to mitigate the spread are "tyranny"... and despite being consistently wrong, and only being able to think in terms of absolutes in the immediate present, rather than probabilities and future outcomes... they're still at it!

My uncle and cousin just got it. My uncle is really sick, but not at the verge of checking himself into the hospital yet. My cousin has a milder case, but couldn't go to the hospital for the birth of his child & his wife, who is positive but asymptomatic has been told by the hospital staff to keep a mask on while holding her baby. Of course the un-cautious "science believers" would deride that as stupid. What are the chances the baby gets sick and dies, right? Fuck it. Better to own the libs by telling the doctors to buzz off and doing what ever they want. it's a free country.

There can be something that is legitimately of concern that one can nevertheless over react to. Locking down healthy young healthy adults and crippling small businesses when the worry was about the old and not so healthy is over reacting.

Mandating children be vaccinated with a medication that hasn?t been proven to be safer for them than the already not dangerous malady to them is over reacting.

Sure hope your uncle and cousin do well. I?ve had an upper and lower respiratory infection myself for a couple of days. I?ve cancelled outside activities until my symptoms are gone. A couple of years ago I never would have even considered that.

 

[byco42]

MC sorry to learn about your uncle and cousin. I hope that they improve quickly. Tinsel summated some of what I was going to say. As for those deriders you identified; they are on the fringes of the bell curve, in regards to the claim that COVID is less deadly than the flu.

You speak of ?probabilities and outcomes? ? well, now that it seems apparent that the vaccines are more of a therapeutical than a cure, and that second and third shot are being, in some cases, forced on people to accept, when the wave does come in the winter in the north, one looming question that needs an answer is what, exactly are the vaccines for, especially in the light that so many of the current COVID cases in the Northeast presently are among the vaccinated, and experts are blaming the spike in cases among the vaccinated on the Delta variant.

Which appears to contradict this article. Link

Just more content for discussion.

 

[tinselwolverine]

There can be something that is legitimately of concern that one can nevertheless over react to. Locking down healthy young healthy adults and crippling small businesses when the worry was about the old and not so healthy is over reacting.

Mandating children be vaccinated with a medication that hasn?t been proven to be safer for them than the already not dangerous malady to them is over reacting.

Sure hope your uncle and cousin do well. I?ve had an upper and lower respiratory infection myself for a couple of days. I?ve cancelled outside activities until my symptoms are gone. A couple of years ago I never would have even considered that.

EDIT: Oh, one more thing ? Newsom closing down California beaches in certain counties last summer for purely political reasons, with the data having by that time proven undeniably that there is no safer place on the planet from the Covid than outdoors on the California beach - that would be more than an overreaction ? that was pure political spite.

 

[Spartanmack]

It seems like we dodged a bullet here with school reopenings, at least for now. The numbers were creeping up (my kids' school publishes active cases among students and faculty), and then dropped, along with the general drop in cases.

Seems we dodged that bullet twice now - private schools all over were open all year last year with no evidence that they led to the spread of the virus to kids or teachers.

Of course, the way things have been going, the less cautious approach generally means the next wave (which will be in two months, or around December) will be worse. Or will be WAY worse when if this inevitably mutates - because that's what viruses constantly do - to affect younger persons more virulently, or spread among them more. You're allowing a virulent illness with a demonstrated propensity to mutate rapidly linger in the population... this is almost inevitable.

yeah, except the vaccine doesn't get rid of the virus - no one disputes that. The vaccine it actually makes it easier to spread by making infected people asymptomatic. It could also be a factor in how the virus mutates - there's no evidence to suggest it does anything to prevent that.

It's amusing that we're now 22 months into this in the U.S. and the same people who've been wrong from day one, insisting this was nothing to worry about, we're overreacting, it's not more deadly than the flu, not more virulent, the cautious were "sheep" or "pussies," any government actions to mitigate the spread are "tyranny"... and despite being consistently wrong, and only being able to think in terms of absolutes in the immediate present, rather than probabilities and future outcomes... they're still at it!

The people who were wrong from day 1 were the people calling Trump a racist for shutting off air travel to/from China, telling people to gather in mass crowds in NY and San Fran to celebrate Chinese New Year and of course, diversity! They're the same people who made nursing homes take COVID positive patients, they also said racism was a bigger public health crisis than COVID to justify large mass gatherings for mostly peaceful riots this summer, they also advocated and enforced lockdowns that didn't stop the spread but had knock on effects that severely damaged the economic stability of the country and the devastated millions of families. They're the same people who are allowing 400k migrants to enter the country illegally every month without testing them for this super dangerous virus - Fauci himself said this isn't an area of concern. They're the same people who just vacated a law in California that required people infected with AIDS to disclose their infected status to sexual partners and are calling people who don't want to wear a mask or take the vaccine "bio terrorists." They're the same people who called Trump an authoritarian and a threat to our democracy all while mandating masks (they first told us weren't useful) and vaccines while working with big tech to censor facts and opinions they don't like. Those are the people who have been wrong from day 1 and they continue to get it wrong. They're all liars and hypocrites and now we're supposed to listen to them when they want to force our kids to take a vaccine that hasn't been tested for long term side effects when they have absolutely no data that suggests they need it.

These are fact based arguments people want be discussed and used to inform decisions. No one is trying to "own the libs". The idea that it's the right is politicizing this pandemic and the left is just following the science is absurd.

I hope your uncle and cousin both make a full recovery.

 

[tigermud]

A savvy UK quantitative data analyst named Joel Smalley recently uploaded a video highlighting data from John Hopkins University showing insane spikes in Covid-19 deaths after countries introduced Covid vaccines.


https://youtu.be/WR-pqrMWu3E

 

[tigermud]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

"Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States"

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days."

Jackboot thugs demand you get the vaccine or else. Fukcing jackboot assholes

 

[tigermud]

On Thursday, Los Angeles Sheriff Alex Villanueva announced that he would not enforce the vaccine mandate passed by the city council because ?the issue has become so politicized.?
On Wednesday, the city council (which I continue to stress to my podcast audience we have to be active and take over local seats) approved a measure requiring anyone older than 12 entering any indoor public venues, besides grocery stores and pharmacies, to be vaccinated starting November 4th.

https://www.waynedupree.com/2021/10/la-sheriff-says-hes-not-enforcing-vaccine-mandate/

 

[tigermud]

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/07/31/the-covid-scam-is-unraveling/

 

[tinselwolverine]

Seems we dodged that bullet twice now - private schools all over were open all year last year with no evidence that they led to the spread of the virus to kids or teachers.



yeah, except the vaccine doesn't get rid of the virus - no one disputes that. The vaccine it actually makes it easier to spread by making infected people asymptomatic. It could also be a factor in how the virus mutates - there's no evidence to suggest it does anything to prevent that.



The people who were wrong from day 1 were the people calling Trump a racist for shutting off air travel to/from China, telling people to gather in mass crowds in NY and San Fran to celebrate Chinese New Year and of course, diversity! They're the same people who made nursing homes take COVID positive patients, they also said racism was a bigger public health crisis than COVID to justify large mass gatherings for mostly peaceful riots this summer, they also advocated and enforced lockdowns that didn't stop the spread but had knock on effects that severely damaged the economic stability of the country and the devastated millions of families. They're the same people who are allowing 400k migrants to enter the country illegally every month without testing them for this super dangerous virus - Fauci himself said this isn't an area of concern. They're the same people who just vacated a law in California that required people infected with AIDS to disclose their infected status to sexual partners and are calling people who don't want to wear a mask or take the vaccine "bio terrorists." They're the same people who called Trump an authoritarian and a threat to our democracy all while mandating masks (they first told us weren't useful) and vaccines while working with big tech to censor facts and opinions they don't like. Those are the people who have been wrong from day 1 and they continue to get it wrong. They're all liars and hypocrites and now we're supposed to listen to them when they want to force our kids to take a vaccine that hasn't been tested for long term side effects when they have absolutely no data that suggests they need it.

These are fact based arguments people want be discussed and used to inform decisions. No one is trying to "own the libs". The idea that it's the right is politicizing this pandemic and the left is just following the science is absurd.

I hope your uncle and cousin both make a full recovery.

Okay?it?s a little bit about owning the libs, come on.

I know, I know, ?the data?blah blah?the science?blah blah??

It?s still a little about owning the libs. The libdem chicom sheople

 

[Spartanmack]

Okay?it?s a little bit about owning the libs, come on.

I know, I know, ?the data?blah blah?the science?blah blah??

It?s still a little about owning the libs. The libdem chicom sheople

Perhaps a little. I'll concede it's about "owning the libs" only to the extent "owning the libs" = disproving their farcical nonsense with science and data. But that's as far as I'll go.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Perhaps a little. I'll concede it's about "owning the libs" only to the extent "owning the libs" = disproving their farcical nonsense with science and data. But that's as far as I'll go.

Newsom is this on steroids, HGH and crank.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...099s-antiviral-effect-against-SARS-CoV-2.aspx