Coronainsanity

[zyxt9]

Easy Mack... we all know it is impossible to kill anyone when you are on drugs, like going berserk and killing others, driving a car while on drugs, shooting up others with too much of the good stuff due to impaired judgment, lacing drugs with other drugs or similarly doubling up like with uppers and downers, or grabbing a gun that then decides to somehow shoot others all by itself while just coincidentally being in your hand (of course one doesn't have to be on drugs for that to happen, just ask Alec).

But damn, if you are not vaccinated, then you definitely are killing everyone around you!!!

 

[Spartanmack]

Easy Mack... we all know it is impossible to kill anyone when you are on drugs, like going berserk and killing others, driving a car while on drugs, shooting up others with too much of the good stuff due to impaired judgment, lacing drugs with other drugs or similarly doubling up like with uppers and downers, or grabbing a gun that then decides to somehow shoot others all by itself while just coincidentally being in your hand (of course one doesn't have to be on drugs for that to happen, just ask Alec).

But damn, if you are not vaccinated, then you definitely are killing everyone around you!!!

or if you're a rich kid living off your parents wealth - there's no one more dangerous than those people!

edit: except for cops

 

[zyxt9]

From:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-12-17/could-omicron-variant-be-good-for-the-pandemic

Reading through I saw that a doctor of immunology said Omicron could be like a "natural vaccine".

I wonder where I have heard that before....

 

[Michchamp]

You still don't get it. If you choose to get vaxxed and boosted, you have that right.

Just stop trying to force others to do it.

It really is that simple.

I'm not in favor of vaccine mandates (I AM in favor of mask mandates though). Just mocking the stupid scare tactics and malware-ridden links you post here trying to keep other people from getting it. Oh, wait, I thought this was tigermud. I don't know why zyxt responded to my post in response to tigermud.


I'm pretty sure no one is changing any minds here.

 

[sggatecl]

Where would you classify those that have already had it, does it really make much sense for those that have already had Covid to also get the vaccine, I say heck no. Natural immunity is far greater than lab created 6 month spike protein injections. IMHO of course.

Firstly, I want to make it clear I'm not saying people that refused the vaccination should be refused entry to a hospital, I may not have been clear on that. I know many nurses who while burned out and overworked that would be crushed knowing people were turned away. You don't become a nurse with the mindset that you're only going to help the people you like or agree with. I'm simply stating my opinion on the hypocrisy of many of these people clogging up the system.

Emerging evidence shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine after you recover from COVID-19 infection provides added protection to your immune system. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

We're still learning about the efficacy duration of vaccines as well as 'natural immunity'. But the fact remains that the majority of Covid hospitilizations are of those that unvaccinated. I would be interested in seeing the percentage of those unvaccinated hospitalizations that were 1st time infected vs 2nd/3rd/'naturally protected'. It would lend some credence to your suggestion. Slightly off topic but I know that it's been brought up here by others (maybe you, I don't remember) but from what I've read about Omnicron, high transmission and low(er) potency, it would be a boon for those hopeful of a more natural route to herd immunity.

Then where would you classify people that are just simply really concerned about long term effects and don't trust the science of the day that ultimately changes as more time marches on and those long term effects start to show up. Right or wrong a lot of people perceive themselves to be healthy enough or not in a high risk category and would much rather just get the damn thing and hopefully survive and come out the other end with natural immunity vs regularly scheduled spike injections. For those that make that choice I may even entertain the thought of maybe they should then give up their rights to receive medical care to treat covid at a hospital but the medical community would also have to agree to allow those to obtain things like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine if that is what they want.

CDC advisory panel, concerned about rare side effects tied to J&J vaccine, gives preferential nod to mRNA shots


https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/16...vaccine-gives-preferential-nod-to-mrna-shots/

As I've said before, if you don't trust the science to defend you against Covid, don't seek out help from the doctors recommending you get vaccinated to then treat you for Covid. "I don't trust you to help prevent me getting sick but I trust you to treat me." It makes no sense to me.

You keep mentioning the 'six month spike protein injections' like some kind of buzzword. Do you even know what you're talking about? Those spike proteins are gone in less than a month and are simply to help the body identify the virus. That's it. It's just part of the vaccine vehicle of delivery.

 

[sggatecl]

#1 cause of death 18-45 year olds
Fentanyl
More adults between 18 and 45 died of fentanyl overdoses in 2020 than COVID-19, motor vehicle accidents, cancer and suicide


https://time.com/6128982/fentanyl-pandemic-opioid-epidemic/

No wall to wall Fentanyl crises coverage. Only Covid deaths matter.

Time magazine, a TV show (Dopesick - Highly recommend), and a full page of news articles in the last 24 hours when just searching 'fentanyl' would say it's getting pretty good coverage.

It's very concerning, I'm with you. I think 30 years of off and on 'War on Drugs' bullshit has given the country a sense of fatigue on drug abuse. Politicians have exhausted the public on the 'dangers' of marijuana and ecstasy so now that when a real killer like fentanyl (opoids in general) comes along, a lot of people shrug and say "I'd never do it" or "My kids would never do it".

 

[zyxt9]

I was previously unaware that during surgeries, there is a small amount of fentanyl given in most cases. Granted that is under supervision by a professional, just find it interesting.

 

[zyxt9]

Firstly, I want to make it clear I'm not saying people that refused the vaccination should be refused entry to a hospital, I may not have been clear on that. I know many nurses who while burned out and overworked that would be crushed knowing people were turned away. You don't become a nurse with the mindset that you're only going to help the people you like or agree with. I'm simply stating my opinion on the hypocrisy of many of these people clogging up the system.

Emerging evidence shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine after you recover from COVID-19 infection provides added protection to your immune system. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

We're still learning about the efficacy duration of vaccines as well as 'natural immunity'. But the fact remains that the majority of Covid hospitilizations are of those that unvaccinated. I would be interested in seeing the percentage of those unvaccinated hospitalizations that were 1st time infected vs 2nd/3rd/'naturally protected'. It would lend some credence to your suggestion. Slightly off topic but I know that it's been brought up here by others (maybe you, I don't remember) but from what I've read about Omnicron, high transmission and low(er) potency, it would be a boon for those hopeful of a more natural route to herd immunity.



As I've said before, if you don't trust the science to defend you against Covid, don't seek out help from the doctors recommending you get vaccinated to then treat you for Covid. "I don't trust you to help prevent me getting sick but I trust you to treat me." It makes no sense to me.

You keep mentioning the 'six month spike protein injections' like some kind of buzzword. Do you even know what you're talking about? Those spike proteins are gone in less than a month and are simply to help the body identify the virus. That's it. It's just part of the vaccine vehicle of delivery.

For many, it is less trust in doctors and science and more distrust of politicians. Fraudchi is more politician than doctor, hence the mistrust in anything that fucknut says. The MSM overhype Fear Market System only adds to the problem.

For example, if individuals who have resisted the mandates did not experience all of the political and MSM BS but instead only experienced going to their doctor and the doc said "I think taking this vaccine is the right decision for you." then they would have gotten the vax.

Yes, there are those who are just automatically anti-vax who would refuse it no matter what, and no amount of science would ever convince them otherwise.

The problem is, and has been from the beginning, the potential to remove Freedom of Choice and enforce a mandate. And despite the initial comments that it would never be mandated, we continually see the Liberal politicians creating and enforcing mandates.

THAT is where the issue is. And all the hyperbole from the pro-Liberal side is that people are anti-vax and push more ways to try forcing the vax on those yet to get it. And at no point do they provide any accommodation for medical exemptions.

It really is not that difficult to say a person needs to show proof of vax OR proof of medical exemption. Nope! If you do not have your VAX paperwork then you will not be allowed access to places. THAT is a massive problem, especially since their original claim that vaxxed do not spread the virus, which has been 100% scientifically proven to be false.

The fault is not in those opposing the vax, but in the politicians and MSM pushing a vaccine mandate. The government does not have the right to force the vax upon the people by mandating it. Nor does the government have the right to discriminate against people who do not have the vax.

The other problem is the anti-vax movement is the loudest voice of opposition. There are many anti-Mandate people who have gotten the vax, which is perfectly acceptable. I think it might be more powerful and beneficial if they refused to access areas they are able to access but non-vaxxed are not allowed. If they really are anti-Mandate, then their voices need to be heard and their actions need to be felt... but they do have the right to do what is best for themselves. This is just an opinion statement about what would make their position stronger politically.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It really is not that difficult to say a person needs to show proof of vax OR proof of medical exemption. Nope! If you do not have your VAX paperwork then you will not be allowed access to places. THAT is a massive problem, especially since their original claim that vaxxed do not spread the virus, which has been 100% scientifically proven to be false.

What's proof of medical exemption look like and how many people have one?

Also, my understanding was never that the vaxxed do not spread the virus. I don't doubt that you found someone that said that, but come on.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The fault is not in those opposing the vax

100% it is.

 

[zyxt9]

What's proof of medical exemption look like and how many people have one?

Also, my understanding was never that the vaxxed do not spread the virus. I don't doubt that you found someone that said that, but come on.

Gee, what does proof of being vaxxed look like? They cannot provide some type of equivalent issued for those with a legit medical exemption? Come on.

If it is understood by science that people who are vaxxed spread it, then why are so many politicians creating bans against the non-vaxxed solely using their unscientific excuse that the unvaxxed spread it? I mean... come on.

 

[zyxt9]

100% it is.

No, there is ZERO benefit in terms of spread, so who fucking cares if someone has made a personal choice to not be vaxxed? Seriously, they have the right to their choice, even if it means they might become very sick or even die. It is their choice. You, and all the others bitching about this since the beginning, have no right to try forcing the vax on anyone.

It does NOT prevent spread. It reduces potential complications, but that is a personal choice no different from choosing to not take chemo for cancer. You have no right to blame them nor force them into YOUR opinionated self-righteousness.

 

[Gulo Blue]

No, there is ZERO benefit in terms of spread, so who fucking cares if someone has made a personal choice to not be vaxxed?

We're not operating believing the same 'facts'. My understanding is that vaccinated people progress through the contagious phase faster, which is a benefit in terms of spread.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Gee, what does proof of being vaxxed look like?

You either got a shot or you didn't. That's pretty easy. Medical risk involves a lot of grey area. You want proof of what side of a line people fall on when it's not established where that line even is.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I mean, at this point, there's so much information out there. Just pull up a map of current cases and vaccine rates on a county by county level if you don't believe the peer reviewed journals.

 

[Michchamp]

The covid monoclonal antibodies use 'immortalized' stem cells or am I thinking of something else? It's interesting to me that the vaccine is seen as radical unproven medicine in comparison.

Was thinking about this post this morning. THe monoclonal antibodies cure is a little bizarre, no? I don't really remember there being any discussion around it, it was just the thing to do. And it's somehow become politicized.

And - correct me if I'm wrong - monoclonal antibodies aren't FDA approved either; they have the same "authorization" from the FDA that the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J vaccines do. And only then as a for people who are actually immunocompromised enough that they cannot get vaccinated (link). How this became the "drug of choice" for Republicans, I just don't understand. Is it because Trump got it? Trump told them to get vaccinated! The vaccines were pushed by his Administration!

And to your point, why is one some radical untested cure, and the other not? when you take a monoclonal antibody treatment, you're being injected with antibodies cloned from someone else's (or something else's) white blood cell, in the hope that the antibodies block the coronavirus from infecting your cells.

In contrast, the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines work differently:

Coronavirus is studded with ?spike proteins? that it uses to enter human cells. Covid-19 vaccines target this spike protein.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines use synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA), a genetic material that contains information about the spike protein.

The vaccines provide the body with instructions to produce a small amount of this protein which, once detected by the immune system, leads to a protective antibody response.
​

In both cases, you're injecting foreign proteins into your body.

I've read about both, and have to conclude that while I understand they work by different mechanisms, I do not have the knowledge to decide for myself whether one is "safer" for me than another, but I do know that I'd rather not get infected by coronavirus in the first place, and get sick, based on everything I've read, the people who've died, friends who've gotten it and been sick for weeks, and the fact that we're truly ignorant of the long term consequences COVID has on the body - especially the lungs and the brain. The loss of taste isn't a harmless side effect... it's evidence the virus FUCKING damaged your brain.

Before I got the vaccine, my doctor advised it, and a family member who was pregnant told me her doctor said to get vaccinated, without thinking, and when she mentioned concerns of it being untested on pregnant women, he dismissed that off hand, said it's baseless speculation, but the risk to pregnant women from COVID (who have suppressed immune systems due to pregnancy) was very real. SHe got the vaccine last spring, and her baby was born, healthy, a few months later.

So... yeah. Based on all that, I got vaccinated.

 

[Michchamp]

Southwest Airlines CEO tests positive for COVID just after testifying to the Senate that the airplane mask mandate is no longer needed. Idiot.

I actually just flew Southwest (first flight since the pandemic started) a week ago. It went fine. I wore two masks: a KN95 for protection and filtration, and a surgical-type mask over it for additional fit.

In the past, I've gotten some nasty bacterial infections & illnesses from flying; it's happened to me several times in life. I think I'm going to wear masks on an airplane forever after this. I really don't see a downside to doing so. I don't care what other people think.

ironically, I guess, the last time in my life I got sick was November 2019 (after flying). I thought it was the flu, but the doctors weren't sure, and proscribed antibiotics as well as tamiflu. I took them even though I was doubtful it was a bacterial infection, and improved almost immediately.

I have worn a KN95 mask pretty regularly going back to Spring 2020, and this timeframe - Jan. 2020 to the present, almost two full years - is the first time in my life I've gone THAT long without getting sick, not even a cold.

 

[tigermud]

Firstly, I want to make it clear I'm not saying people that refused the vaccination should be refused entry to a hospital, I may not have been clear on that. I know many nurses who while burned out and overworked that would be crushed knowing people were turned away. You don't become a nurse with the mindset that you're only going to help the people you like or agree with. I'm simply stating my opinion on the hypocrisy of many of these people clogging up the system.

Emerging evidence shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine after you recover from COVID-19 infection provides added protection to your immune system. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

We're still learning about the efficacy duration of vaccines as well as 'natural immunity'. But the fact remains that the majority of Covid hospitilizations are of those that unvaccinated. I would be interested in seeing the percentage of those unvaccinated hospitalizations that were 1st time infected vs 2nd/3rd/'naturally protected'. It would lend some credence to your suggestion. Slightly off topic but I know that it's been brought up here by others (maybe you, I don't remember) but from what I've read about Omnicron, high transmission and low(er) potency, it would be a boon for those hopeful of a more natural route to herd immunity.

As I've said before, if you don't trust the science to defend you against Covid, don't seek out help from the doctors recommending you get vaccinated to then treat you for Covid. "I don't trust you to help prevent me getting sick but I trust you to treat me." It makes no sense to me.

You keep mentioning the 'six month spike protein injections' like some kind of buzzword. Do you even know what you're talking about? Those spike proteins are gone in less than a month and are simply to help the body identify the virus. That's it. It's just part of the vaccine vehicle of delivery.

Thank you Sgg, no no never thought you were saying that, I know I've heard it suggested elsewhere and I wasn't completely opposed to the thought provided we stop clamping down and making it darn near impossible to obtain alternative treatments if requested, if people want HCQ or Inver they should be allowed to obtain it without too much hassle.

I'll definitely take my chances on not being vax'd even more so now that I've had it. I've heard those that say you'll be over the top protected if you've had it and get vax'd. To that I say risk/reward not worth it, thanks anyway.

I hear ya, did my part there, did not seek any assistance from the doctor in anyway when I had it. I'll admit there was a day or two I had to ask myself if I made the right choice and had to trust my gut and natural remedies more than ever but that was the bed I made and knew I had to lay in it. I know what you're saying though, stubbornness, conviction or both, it's not for everyone.

I only keep calling it a spike protein injection for lack of a better description. It's doesn't provide lasting immunity so it's not really a vaccine, well up till the CDC recently changed their definition of what a vaccine is that is. By the original true definition of vaccine, since it doesn't provide lasting immunity what is it then?

It's a treatment, a prevent defense, a spike protein injection. idk whatever else you'd like to call it, it's not a vaccine by the original CDC's definition.

Before the change, the definition for ?vaccination? read, ?the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.? Now, the word ?immunity? has been switched to ?protection.?

IMHO the more boosters one gets the greater the long term negative effects become. I also highly recommend dopesick, it's not the same but I do see some parallels, whatever bigPhrama and the FDA says is safe an effective well then it must be safe and effective. All and all it's not really the doctors I don't trust, I think the vast majority mean well, I don't trust the information they are given when it comes to anything Phrama has a big hand in.

semi annual injections are not good long term strategy IMO.

 

[zyxt9]

You either got a shot or you didn't. That's pretty easy. Medical risk involves a lot of grey area. You want proof of what side of a line people fall on when it's not established where that line even is.

Better those who should be medically exempt take the shot and die. Got it.

 

[zyxt9]

I mean, at this point, there's so much information out there. Just pull up a map of current cases and vaccine rates on a county by county level if you don't believe the peer reviewed journals.

Yes, the problem is you and your ilk are blind to the real science pointing out that your science if full of holes and is based more around authoritarianism than freedom.