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Coronainsanity

I mean, at this point, there's so much information out there. Just pull up a map of current cases and vaccine rates on a county by county level if you don't believe the peer reviewed journals.

You do realize that if this was not a so-called "emergency" situation, these vaccines would have been stopped due to the number of side effects, including death, that they cause.

You also realize that the mortality rate for Covid continues to drop, right? This despite Fraudchi claiming the death rate will break records. I do not think he understands what death rate actually is based on that comment. Maybe...MAYBE he meant the total deaths. Surely he did not mean Omicron would cause a record death rate. I mean, shit, it doesn't even reach 10% of what Ebola's death rate is for crying out loud. Ebola has a range of death rate anywhere from 25-90% and averages 50%. Even if you take the lowest number, 25%...Covid does not have 10% of that death rate.

Omicron also is showing lower death rates than the other variants. So how am I supposed to respect Fraudchi and his followers when they do not even understand the science or are purposefully misrepresenting facts? So which peer reviewed journals am I supposed to read exactly? The ones that flat our lie, skew facts, and have totally abused the Scientific Method while encouraging the abandonment of Human Rights and Freedom?
 
fucking two years into this pandemic, and imbeciles are still focusing on (immediate) deaths from COVID, as if that were the only problem, and everything would have been fine had we just done nothing, going about our lives as usual, even as everyone got sick as fuck, the hospitals filled up beyond capacity, and the bodies piled up.
 

so the death rate for unvaccinated people is .00347%, down from a peak of .01% in August for all age groups - and that's including all the people that died WITH covid but from other causes. It's practically zero, but it is 6x the also practically zero death rate for people who took the mRNA vax. So I should definitely risk myocarditis and/or pericarditis and who knows what long term side effects for a virus that's almost definitely not going to kill or make me seriously ill (I had it, it did neither) by taking a vaccine that's not going to prevent me from getting or spreading the virus. Or I could just not go to nba games or Broadway shows i wasn't going to anyway?

Maybe these vaccines are only really needed for the most vulnerable. What a novel concept.

Edit: when you play around with the age groups, you can clearly see how stupid it is that we give these vaccines to kids - anyone under 30 really has no need for these drugs.
 
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Yes, the problem is you and your ilk are blind to the real science pointing out that your science if full of holes and is based more around authoritarianism than freedom.



Since when should science be based around either? Freedom or authoritarianism have nothing to do with it.
 
Since when should science be based around either? Freedom or authoritarianism have nothing to do with it.

Right.

?Yes, the problem is you and your ilk are blind to the real science pointing out that your ?science? is full of holes and is based more around authoritarianism than data.?

I was resisting the public school English teacher in me, but since you mentioned it anyway?
 
so the death rate for unvaccinated people is .00347%, down from a peak of .01% in August for all age groups - and that's including all the people that died WITH covid but from other causes. It's practically zero, but it is 6x the also practically zero death rate for people who took the mRNA vax. So I should definitely risk myocarditis and/or pericarditis and who knows what long term side effects for a virus that's almost definitely not going to kill or make me seriously ill (I had it, it did neither) by taking a vaccine that's not going to prevent me from getting or spreading the virus. Or I could just not go to nba games or Broadway shows i wasn't going to anyway?

Maybe these vaccines are only really needed for the most vulnerable. What a novel concept.

Edit: when you play around with the age groups, you can clearly see how stupid it is that we give these vaccines to kids - anyone under 30 really has no need for these drugs.


But as epidemiologists and public health profressionals have been pointing out since the beginning, that's the death rate WITH some significant percentage of the population taking precautions, vaccines mitigating more serious infections & deaths, and some public health measures in place to curb the spread.


If we were to do away with those - as you and your ilk are constantly demanding - the death rate will be higher, possibly even catastrophic. Plus there are the deaths from other treatable diseases and injuries that can't happen because the hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID patients.
 
Since when should science be based around either? Freedom or authoritarianism have nothing to do with it.

Science is/has been abused by authoritarian governments throughout history. Whether it is used as actual weapons to kill people, as ways to observe and monitor their lives, perform experiments on the people, or prevent their ability to travel from place to place. There are many ways science and technology are used to control populations and infringe on freedoms.

It is not a binary thing where only ethical and humane science is allowed into the world. Nor is it something where all answers are generated without any ambiguity or doubt in the results. There are many ways in which science is used for good, and many in which it is used for evil. To "follow the science" in this situation, one should be capable of seeing both the good and bad, that there is not a pure and perfect solution to all of this. It should register that while the majority of individuals should have the vaccine for their own betterment, there are also those who should not take it due to side effects and potential for death.

There are states where Death by Lethal Injection has been replaced by allowing the individual to choose the manner of their death. Some have chosen other methods, but these individuals have at least been provided their preferred choice.

The choice between potentially dying from Covid or potentially dying from taking the vaccine is equally important. If it is sufficient for individuals on Death Row, then it should be demanded by all those who support freedom of choice. It is not acceptable for me to determine if anyone else gets vaxxed or not, nor should that power belong to anyone else, and it absolutely should not be in the control of any government entity.

Providing the OPTION to be vaccinated or not was important. The work the scientists did was incredible. They deserve full credit for providing the vaccine OPTION. The politicians who are attempting to MANDATE the vaccine are the problem, as is the MSM and anyone else who continually pushes the idea of MANDATES.

Gulo, Champ, and anyone else has every right to encourage people to take the vax. The government and MSM can absolutely express their encouragement as well. However, the facts remain that there are many unknowns that still exist and people have a right to be hesitant, especially since there have been some who experienced extreme side effects and death after taking their shot. Scientifically, if the vaccine was produced in a non-Covid time, it would have been recalled and forced to be improved upon after so many cases of extreme side effects. Therefore, people should have the right to choose what is best for them.

The notion that this is different because it is contagious is absolutely unjustified and unfounded due to the scientific fact the vaccine does not prevent spread.
 
But as epidemiologists and public health profressionals have been pointing out since the beginning, that's the death rate WITH some significant percentage of the population taking precautions, vaccines mitigating more serious infections & deaths, and some public health measures in place to curb the spread.


If we were to do away with those - as you and your ilk are constantly demanding - the death rate will be higher, possibly even catastrophic. Plus there are the deaths from other treatable diseases and injuries that can't happen because the hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID patients.

are you referring to the masks that don't work and the lockdowns that didn't work? those mitigating factors? We've been out of lockdowns and mask mandates have been mostly gone for the better part of this year and still the death rate is negligible. and for the record, again, I'm all for people taking their own mitigating factors, including the vaccine if they want it. I've said all along people will take the necessary precautions - which is backed up by the fact that states that had the least aggressive mandates had better outcomes than states that had the most restrictive mandates.
 
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You do realize that if this was not a so-called "emergency" situation, these vaccines would have been stopped due to the number of side effects, including death, that they cause.

You also realize that the mortality rate for Covid continues to drop, right? This despite Fraudchi claiming the death rate will break records. I do not think he understands what death rate actually is based on that comment. Maybe...MAYBE he meant the total deaths. Surely he did not mean Omicron would cause a record death rate. I mean, shit, it doesn't even reach 10% of what Ebola's death rate is for crying out loud. Ebola has a range of death rate anywhere from 25-90% and averages 50%. Even if you take the lowest number, 25%...Covid does not have 10% of that death rate.

Omicron also is showing lower death rates than the other variants. So how am I supposed to respect Fraudchi and his followers when they do not even understand the science or are purposefully misrepresenting facts? So which peer reviewed journals am I supposed to read exactly? The ones that flat our lie, skew facts, and have totally abused the Scientific Method while encouraging the abandonment of Human Rights and Freedom?

I believe that if more people got the shot fewer people would have died.
 
Better those who should be medically exempt take the shot and die. Got it.

"Got it"? From where?

I've never said anything to suggest that. I'm very clearly saying people that should not be medically exempt are claiming they should be.
 
what about the 300,000 otherwise healthy Americans who just up and died minutes after getting the shot?

You mean the ones that died after the shot was forced on them by the authoritarian state? They probably could have fought back if all their guns hadn't been taken away.
 
You mean the ones that died after the shot was forced on them by the authoritarian state? They probably could have fought back if all their guns hadn't been taken away.






That's right.





TRUMP HAD TRiED TO STOP IT FroM HAPPENING BUT THEY STOLE TEH ELECTIONS FROM HIM
 
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