Coronainsanity

[zyxt9]

I am starting to get optimistic about omicron being less deadly. You'd think the deaths per day would start dropping soon.

Based on trends, I can see the US reaching 700,000 new cases per day in short order.

However, even with that high number, I do not think we will experience the hospitalization challenges nor deaths that we saw early on, and likely not even what Delta caused. From all accounts hospitalizations are a small fraction of total cases, and the percent hospitalized who need oxygen is lower as is the amount of oxygen used. The mortality rate is still very much unknown, and as always questionable due to underlying issues, but it seems that there will be fewer daily deaths than Delta caused despite having many more total cases. We will likely see US total cases reach 60 million before the total deaths reach 900,000. If those numbers are reached at the same time, the all time Covid mortality rate would be 1.5% and Omicron would have a mortality rate of 1.06%. Current indicators are Omicron will actually be below 1.0% though.

For instance, in the UK they reported on Dec 1st a 7 day average of 43,000 and they hit a 7 day average of 50,000 on Dec. 12. Their reported 7 day average daily deaths for Dec. 21st is 112 (which is down from 122 on Dec. 1st). Again, there is a percentage of non-Omicron variants likely skewing the daily deaths higher...but even if we take the 112 and divide that by 43,000 that yields a current Covid mortality rate of 0.26%, so roughly a quarter of one percent...and that appears to be dropping as Omicron increases in dominance.

 

[zyxt9]

Here is a new option:
https://www.defenseone.com/technolo...ctive-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

A vaccine that covers all variants of Covid and does not require an additional dose. I'm sure Big Pharma is none to happy about this possibility cutting into their profits, but one would like to think they have made their billions and will be supportive.

Not sure of all the tech details, whether the anti-vax group will oppose this (of course they will, duh!) to the same extent they have the other vaccines, and obviously we do not have a measure of effectiveness from this as yet. MAYBE some of the vax hesitant will be more willing to use this since it is, theoretically, a 1 off. Obviously a few had to have already been willing otherwise they would not have passed their phase 1 of human trials which required previously unvaxxed and uninfected individuals.

 

[tigermud]

Here is a new option:
https://www.defenseone.com/technolo...ctive-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

A vaccine that covers all variants of Covid and does not require an additional dose. I'm sure Big Pharma is none to happy about this possibility cutting into their profits, but one would like to think they have made their billions and will be supportive.

Not sure of all the tech details, whether the anti-vax group will oppose this (of course they will, duh!) to the same extent they have the other vaccines, and obviously we do not have a measure of effectiveness from this as yet. MAYBE some of the vax hesitant will be more willing to use this since it is, theoretically, a 1 off. Obviously a few had to have already been willing otherwise they would not have passed their phase 1 of human trials which required previously unvaxxed and uninfected individuals.

BigPhrama will never allow it they'll find away to get it nix'd or take over the rights to it Phrama & Fruadchi are in control. oh the irony, wasn't that long ago Big Phrama was bashed even by the left, now they bow down to them. They say vaccine, they say how many! yes sir may we have another.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So called ?doctor? for right wing conspiracy news outlet on value of masks regarding the Covid

Wait?what?

 

[tigermud]

https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-decorated-with-touching-message-you-will-die

WASHINGTON, D.C.?The nation?s capital grew even more festive as the White House unveiled its facade lit with a resplendent light display spelling out the touching message, ?YOU WILL DIE.?

The holiday message of light and hope comes at a dark time for our nation, as millions of Americans have chosen to ignore scientifically rigorous government lobbyists and refused to get vaccinated against a virus with a 100% mortality rate.

?Our country needs a message of hope from its leadership during this dark, deadly, perilous, disastrous, corpse-strewn winter season,? said White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, ?That?s why the President chose this message, so all Americans can hold their heads high?unless they?re unvaccinated, in which case they will surely die.?

Biden has reportedly already tasked staffers to prepare a New Year?s Eve fireworks show that will fill the sky with the message, ?ALL IS LOST.?

 

[byco42]

According to VAERS, there are this number of reported adverse effects to all COVID vaccines:

Chest Pain: 27,000
Chest Discomfort: 18,000
Myocarditis: 2,500
Pericarditis: 1,900
Heart Rate Increased: 17,000
Palpitations: 16,000
Tachycardia: 9,200
Cardiac Arrest: 1,600
Death: 9,400

I?ll pass. Since the survival rate of COVID is 99.984%, per CDC.

CDC-published report

 

[tigermud]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows/

South Africans contracting Covid-19 in the current fourth wave of infections are 80% less likely to be hospitalized if they catch the omicron variant, compared with other strains, according to a study released by the National Institute for Communicable Diseases.

Once admitted to the hospital, the risk of severe disease doesn?t differ from other variants, the authors led by scientists Nicole Walter and Cheryl Cohen said.

Compared to delta infections in South Africa between April and November, omicron infections are associated with a 70% lower risk of severe disease, they said. The omicron data was collected for the two months through November.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I agree that there will be a group of not only patients who will likely be listed as medically exempt when in reality they should not have been, and I will go even further and say there is a percentage of unscrupulous medical professionals who would give it to anyone asking for it without even running any tests.

None of that means we should not do it though. Take the number of people who do not need Handicap Parking, or are on the government dole when they are fully capable of working instead. There will always be people who scam any system. Hell, I can assure you there are thousands of fake Vax Cards already out there... it isn't like the damn things are hard to counterfeit and no restaurant has access to the databases that would validate the names on the cards. Yeah, you need your legal ID and that must match your vax card...again, we are not talking about a very sophisticated system to overcome.

If we are going to be concerned about the medical exemption people, then we need to be working harder at countering fake vax cards. That gets extremely messy though, because I know people who were given the copy of the vax card instead of the original, and there is no option for getting that corrected.

The entire thing is a typical government SNAFU that is heading in the direction of being FUBAR. The government cannot even provide clarity on what is considered "fully vaccinated" because the science is crossing them up. For some, they need a full 3rd shot instead of a booster dosage (which is half a shot).

At some point, society will need to just move on with true normalcy. Plenty of people take the flu shot every year, I'm confident a large percentage will get periodic Covid shots too. Everything should be done by choice in the US, even when those choices result in negative consequences.

And so, given those practical hurdles, I don't see the value in it.

 

[zyxt9]

And so, given those practical hurdles, I don't see the value in it.

Then explain what the medically exempt should do.

 

[zyxt9]

Well the WHO is finally waking up to what I have said for a very long time:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html

If you cannot vax every person on Earth simultaneously with these vaccines, there will continue to be variants and this shit never goes away.

However, the vaccine from the Army/Walter Reed researchers is admittedly different as boosters should not be needed. If that one was rolled out over time around the world then the variant issue becomes moot...IF it really is effective against all variants. That is a pretty big IF, but for now I would consider it a viable option.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Then explain what the medically exempt should do.

Not get the shot, obviously.

 

[zyxt9]

Not get the shot, obviously.

But that means they are denied equal access to public areas in accordance with ADA guidelines for no legit reason. THAT is the entire problem!!! The belief that these individuals are the cause of spread is proven false, yet they are still treated like pariahs!

 

[tigermud]

She strikes me as likely being a chicom agent

CNN medical analyst Dr. Leana Wen has demanded Joe Biden ?further restrict the activities of the unvaccinated,? while Dr. Vin Gupta told MSNBC the unjabbed should be put at the back of the queue for medical treatment

https://www.infowars.com/posts/cnn-...-restrict-the-activities-of-the-unvaccinated/

 

[tigermud]

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-releases-more-data-adverse-reactions-pfizer-vaccine

 

[tigermud]

Supreme Court will hold special hearing in January to decide whether Biden's COVID vaccine mandates for large businesses and health care workers are legal

The Supreme Court on Wednesday announced that they will hear arguments in the cases of vaccine mandates for large businesses and health care workers

The mandates were announced by Joe Biden in September and have been challenged by Republican governors and business federations

The court will hear arguments on January 7 in the two cases and is expected to issue a ruling shortly after

Both mandates are currently in place nationwide but could be overturned by the court

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10338209/U-S-Supreme-Court-Biden-vaccine-mandate-cases.html

 

[Gulo Blue]

But that means they are denied equal access to public areas in accordance with ADA guidelines for no legit reason. THAT is the entire problem!!! The belief that these individuals are the cause of spread is proven false, yet they are still treated like pariahs!

ADA law only goes as far as reasonable accommodations. Reasonable is a key word there.

It would be nice if this was the problem; how to deal with the small number of people that can't get the shot. That's not the problem though. It's the tons of people that are pretending they can't, wrongfully convinced themselves they can't, or just won't for political reasons.

 

[Gulo Blue]

no legit reason

Right.

Tough to discuss past that point. I'm hoping it will be no legit reason soon. But there has been a very legit reason. But I don't sense that point is up for discussion.

 

[byco42]

ADA law only goes as far as reasonable accommodations. Reasonable is a key word there.

It would be nice if this was the problem; how to deal with the small number of people that can't get the shot. That's not the problem though. It's the tons of people that are pretending they can't, wrongfully convinced themselves they can't, or just won't for political reasons.

I won?t just because I won?t. I?m just saying no. Because no one has the right to compel me to take this experimental solution. No one.

 

[zyxt9]

See, I do fully understand the Pandora's Box element in all of this. If you allow the medically exempt then the entire argument for mandates comes crumbling down. That argument is, as has been proven, a false argument in the first place. This idea that vaxxed do not spread the virus is false and therefore the mandates are illegitimate.

I look forward to the Supreme Court ruling in January.

Now, if the Army vax is proven to stop spread, that is an entirely different scenario. You could then argue the points for a mandate more strongly for the Army vax, but not the others.

But with the current situation, it is a completely unlawful practice. Well, scientifically speaking it should be found unlawful.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That argument is, as has been proven, a false argument in the first place. This idea that vaxxed do not spread the virus is false and therefore the mandates are illegitimate.

That's not the argument. Never has been. Not in those absolute terms.

Contagiousness would be reduced if fewer people reached the contagious phase, if viral loads were less, if less contagious strains were more prevalent, if contagious people stayed contagious for a shorter period of time, or if people required a higher viral load to catch it. It's hard to know with any precision how a vaccine impacts any of these specifically with any precision because it doesn't impact all people the same and you can't readily collect data that does anything more than give you a a hint of one of these things in some limited case. You can look at aggregate data and say that some combination of these things is helping some amounts in some cases.

The difference between vaccinated people not spreading it at all, spreading it a little less, or spreading it a lot less is huge. Using wording that ignores the difference allows you to make a wrong statement sound right because it lacks proper context. Like saying seat belts don't prevent death in auto accidents therefore they are pointless.