Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

good, about time you caught up because I doubt anyone cares what you're still saying about this virus or the massively inflated death numbers...

how massively inflated? how many do you think have died, if not the 833,000 being reported?

 

[Spartanmack]

I find the concerns about vaccines a lot more credible if you guys didn't all scream and cry about masks and every other single thing proposed to curb the spread of COVID.

It seems like some people have politicized every single goddamn issue beyond all reason.

Biden could say "Tie your shoes before you go out so you don't trip" and you'd be screaming about tyranny, and sharing links of alex jones and PJW cutting their laces off their shoes.

if anyone was screaming and crying about masks or any other measures, it was you and your ilk. Your continued refusal to see the truth - that mask mandates and shutdowns were completely ineffective is evidence of this.

Only one person here is posting or talking about Alex Jones - I haven't read or watched any of it but I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn AJ got more of this right than Fauci and company. But I don't need to because I based my decisions on advice of my doctor and what I read out of Harvard, Stanford and Johns Hopkins epidemiologists AND the CDC's own website.

Your refusal to acknowledge that most of the opposition is based on following actual scientists including renowned epidemiologists is further proof you're the one throwing tantrums and intentionally misrepresenting opposing viewpoints.

 

[Spartanmack]

how massively inflated? how many do you think have died, if not the 833,000 being reported?

I don't know and unfortunately it's impossible to know because we don't have accurate data but some have estimated it could be as high as 20-50%+ people who died "with" COVID.

But go on being the billionaire bootlicker you are and get in line for your 34th booster that doesn't stop you from spreading the virus that (probably) isn't a threat to you. It's your choice, do what you want, just mind your own business when it comes to what others do because they're not harming you or anyone else despite what Joy Reid tells you.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't know and unfortunately it's impossible to know ...

So you just pulled that comment out of your ass? What a fuckwit!

 

[tigermud]

I find the concerns about vaccines a lot more credible if you guys didn't all scream and cry about masks and every other single thing proposed to curb the spread of COVID.

It seems like some people have politicized every single goddamn issue beyond all reason.

Biden could say "Tie your shoes before you go out so you don't trip" and you'd be screaming about tyranny, and sharing links of alex jones and PJW cutting their laces off their shoes.

Your problem is you lump everyone into the same buckets, I?ve been consistent with the main bitches and moans have been against the vaccine before the mail in harvest and still after. Unlike Biden and Harris remind you who bashed it under trump said they didn?t believe in mandates to the complete opposite now. Nothing but political hypercritical asshats.

Perhaps you could at least ask Big Pharma for a thank you holiday card for your contributions?

 

[Spartanmack]

So you just pulled that comment out of your ass? What a fuckwit!

no more than you did. it's a documented fact that deaths were counted as COVID deaths without proof of infection. It's also a known fact that death certificates were marked as COVID deaths when the person died from something else but also had COVID. You can hurl insults and ad hominem all you want, that doesn't make you or your number any less wrong.

 

[tigermud]

Since Michchamp was asking for more PJW here ya go

https://youtu.be/wUOWI5FfWjI

 

[Spartanmack]

Your problem is you lump everyone into the same buckets, I?ve been consistent with the main bitches and moans have been against the vaccine before the mail in harvest and still after. Unlike Biden and Harris remind you who bashed it under trump said they didn?t believe in mandates to the complete opposite now. Nothing but political hypercritical asshats.

Perhaps you could at least ask Big Pharma for a thank you holiday card for your contributions?

as a billionaire bootlicker, he's the one thanking big pharma for saving his life - from a virus that probably wouldn't make him very sick. He should send a Christmas card to Moderna and Pfizer that says "Thank you Big Pharma! May I please have another?" It could have a photo of him in a Christmas sweater licking George Soros' boots.

 

[tigermud]

One more for the road. You?re welcome michchamp and bah humbug

https://youtu.be/Yzva0Wrs8Os


Hmm Health reason? Why shouldn?t because healthy as is, already had it, not at risk be a valid health reason?

 

[sggatecl]

no more than you did. it's a documented fact that deaths were counted as COVID deaths without proof of infection. It's also a known fact that death certificates were marked as COVID deaths when the person died from something else but also had COVID. You can hurl insults and ad hominem all you want, that doesn't make you or your number any less wrong.

Why you're still shouting this from the rooftops when it's been shut down numerous times on this board alone I'll never understand.

 

[Thumb]

Why you're still shouting this from the rooftops when it's been shut down numerous times on this board alone I'll never understand.

An argument with Spartanmud is like:


https://youtu.be/dcHWeAzoXd4

 

[Gulo Blue]

Why you're still shouting this from the rooftops when it's been shut down numerous times on this board alone I'll never understand.

Excess mortality is a difficult concept to grasp when you don't want to.

 

[tigermud]

Have never accepted asymptomatic spread was anything but very rare, if not for that fruadchi proclamation early on this whole thing could have been dealt with in a more reasonable manner imo

The NFL is battling the latest COVID-19 surge with an understanding that symptomatic individuals are driving transmission within the team environment, chief medical officer Dr. Allen Sills said Thursday, with no indications of asymptomatic spread.

That position represents a significant departure from the pandemic-long stance of public health authorities, who have warned about the possibility of individuals spreading the virus without being aware they are infected.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ading-covid-19-nfl-chief-medical-officer-says

 

[sggatecl]

Have never accepted asymptomatic spread was anything but very rare, if not for that fruadchi proclamation early on this whole thing could have been dealt with in a more reasonable manner imo

The NFL is battling the latest COVID-19 surge with an understanding that symptomatic individuals are driving transmission within the team environment, chief medical officer Dr. Allen Sills said Thursday, with no indications of asymptomatic spread.

That position represents a significant departure from the pandemic-long stance of public health authorities, who have warned about the possibility of individuals spreading the virus without being aware they are infected.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ading-covid-19-nfl-chief-medical-officer-says

I don't share your opinion that asymptomatic spread isn't a thing, however..

They'll let 20,000 people pack a stadium but won't let a few dozen players play football? I don't know if I'll ever understand that.

 

[zyxt9]

Ok, the seatbelt analogy wasn't supposed to be about mandates, but true, seatbelts are mandated. I know you can accept that I'm not obsessed with mandates, but I'm not and that not what I meant by that, so point taken.

How about sunscreen then? People still get skin cancer and sunburns after using sunscreen, but that doesn't mean sunscreen doesn't work.

I'm not talking about mandates. I'm talking about this idea that vaccines not being absolute justifying your language regarding their efficacy. It's wrong.

Sunscreens, great example. Let's expand upon that, shall we? Since you brought it up...

https://www.health.harvard.edu/stay...cts-found-to-contain-cancer-causing-substance

Sunscreens have been found to need reapplication, just like boosters of the vaccine. And some ingredients in sunscreens have caused cancers. For some others, sun's reens have caused allergic reactions.

And these small ingredients on their own initial singular use are probably somewhat ok, but over time and reapication, the body is not able to process the ingredients efficiently, causing a potential buildup that can lead to comications for some people.

Yet the sunscreens in the link were previously ruled ok by the government. It was only after long term use that problems were detected.

Now, if one chooses not to use sunscreen, they do have potential to experience complications from sun exposure. They should be smart about how long they are exposed, maybe need to wear additional clothing, or maybe use an organic alternative with more natural, less artificial ingredients. Or maybe use a different sunscreen that does not have the ingredient which is problematic for that individual.

Sure, the government can recommend a d encourage the use of sunscreen. And most people will likely prefer using it as opposed to examining each item, or rely on various 3rd party resources to suggest which ones have caused less or more problems, whether small or large. (EWG is an example of a pretty good site for analyzing such things, but as always, it might not be sufficient for every individual).

And no one has done research thorough enough as to which sunscreens are ok to use with another sunscreen. The ingredients from each that remain in the body, potentially combining together to create a new compound that could be problematic. And that compound might not be realized as a problem until it eventually degrades at some future point, with that degradation process creating something highly toxic.

There are risks with everything, the vaccine is no different. That is why each individual should be allowed to decide if they are willing to accept the risk. That is freedom of choice. Maybe someone prefers minimizing sun exposure and letting their natural response work as it always has. Maybe if they get too exposed they will apply other natural options, such as aloe or cocoa butter, as opposed to seeking a doctor and their artificially created remedies.

The Right to Choose. That is what America is supposed to provide. Not mandates. Educate, inform, hell they can even put out all the advertisements and fear mongering they desire.

Perhaps a better equivalence might be cigarette smoking, since governments have banned that in certain public areas due to the negative effects it can have on others. However, this is not 100% equivalent because non-smokers are not able to produce 2nd hand smoke to someone the way a vaccinated person can still carry and spread Covid.

That is the piece that is the biggest issue still, and why I keep referring back to the hope that the Army/WR vax will be different. No additional shots (buildup of a small toxin that becomes more problematic over time with more injections), and hopefully prevents vaccinated from spreading it. IMO, that Army/WR vax could be a legit option, and I hope it will be. It still might not be for everyone though, just like a singular sunscreen is the right product for every individual.

 

[zyxt9]

I find the concerns about vaccines a lot more credible if you guys didn't all scream and cry about masks and every other single thing proposed to curb the spread of COVID.

It seems like some people have politicized every single goddamn issue beyond all reason.

Biden could say "Tie your shoes before you go out so you don't trip" and you'd be screaming about tyranny, and sharing links of alex jones and PJW cutting their laces off their shoes.

I don't tie my shoes every time I put them on. I have them loosely pre-tied and just slip them on and off. Once in awhile I have to retire them, but it is rare.

Then there are the new laces that coil up, pretty cool concept that basically eliminates having to tie shoes.

And of course there is velcro. This is a decent option for people who have lost fingers or lost mobility in their fingers.

Some shoes these days have an elastic strap that pulls the shoe tight and eliminate laces and velcro.

Yep, another great example of how a singular option is not the solution for every individual.

I sure hope we do not soon have mandates requiring everyone to have shoelaces, and require they be untied and retied when entering and leaving public places.

 

[zyxt9]

Excess mortality is a difficult concept to grasp when you don't want to.

I, for one, grasp it. Difference being, I accept it.

A new virus will frequently generate excess mortality.

Measures can be taken to try reducing it, that is fine. Encourage ways to minimize exposure, great. Educate about all options, but be fully honest about all pros / cons for each choice. Then allow people the freedom to choose what is the best option for themselves.

I do not understand why vaxxed people are so fixated on getting the vax into the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed, you believe you are protected. That should be all you care about., well... along with your family, but even then you should not have control over anyone of age and mental capacity to independently decide what they want for themselves.

Yet the vaxxed are hyperfocused on getting the vax into everyone. The decision to be vaxxed must lie solely upon each individual, without repercussion.

 

[Spartanmack]

Why you're still shouting this from the rooftops when it's been shut down numerous times on this board alone I'll never understand.

two things can be true at once. There can be excess mortality from COVID AND the numbers can be overinflated and unreliable when it comes to actual deaths from COVID. It's also true that some of those excess deaths as defined in your link:

Excess mortality is a term used in epidemiology and public health that refers to the number of deaths from all causes during a crisis above and beyond what we would have expected to see under ?normal? conditions.1

can and are attributable to policy mistakes, like shutting down hospitals to patients with life threatening non-COVID issues. While you can never understand this, it doesn't make the data re: deaths from COVID vs "with" COVID or due to bureaucratic stupidity any more accurate or reliable.

 

[zyxt9]

Since Michchamp was asking for more PJW here ya go

https://youtu.be/wUOWI5FfWjI

Now that explains why the details around that specific case were never provided.

That said, there appears to have been others who have died while infected with Omicron, so there is that. Of course it is never possible for us to know whether CoD was due to a pre-existing condition or actually do to Covid, or perhaps both.

Many who have died might have survived their battle with Covid if not for their underlying issues. Really hard to know what is what these days.

 

[Spartanmack]

I, for one, grasp it. Difference being, I accept it.

A new virus will frequently generate excess mortality.

Measures can be taken to try reducing it, that is fine. Encourage ways to minimize exposure, great. Educate about all options, but be fully honest about all pros / cons for each choice. Then allow people the freedom to choose what is the best option for themselves.

I do not understand why vaxxed people are so fixated on getting the vax into the unvaxxed. If you are vaxxed, you believe you are protected. That should be all you care about., well... along with your family, but even then you should not have control over anyone of age and mental capacity to independently decide what they want for themselves.

Yet the vaxxed are hyperfocused on getting the vax into everyone. The decision to be vaxxed must lie solely upon each individual, without repercussion.

Exactly. No one is denying that COVID is real or saying it's not a threat to anyone or that it hasn't caused any deaths or that the vaccines aren't effective for the people most vulnerable to this virus. Most young and healthy people don't need the vaccine and since it doesn't protect others from getting or spreading the virus, it makes no sense to force them to take it - give them the choice, their decision doesn't effect you even if they sit next to you at a Broadway show or a Rangers game.