Coronainsanity

[tigermud]

Excellent c2c last night

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2021-12-27-show/

Internist and cardiologist Dr. Peter A. McCullough has been managing the cardiovascular complications of both the coronavirus infection, and injuries developing after the COVID-19 vaccine. In the first half, he discussed his battle to provide what he considers balanced, research-based information on the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Regarding the spread of the Omicron variant, "the reason why it's supplanting Delta is that it's multiplying at about 70 times the rate of Delta," he explained, adding that it's broken through both natural and vaccine immunity. Over 70% of Omicron patients are fully vaccinated, and that is because the virus has learned to thrive in the vaccinated environment, he asserted. Yet, he noted that for most who get infected with Omicron, the illness is mild and short-lived.

While McCullough has been an advocate of using ivermectin as an oral COVID treatment, he reported that the new Pfizer pill looks to be even more effective. He suggested several home treatments that he believes can act as a prophylactic measure against coming down with COVID. This includes spraying the nose with a diluted Povidone-iodine (10%) solution, which McCollough said can kill off the virus, as it starts its growth in the nasal passage. He also recommended such supplements as zinc, quercetin, Vitamins C and D, and the over-counter drug Pepcid, an antihistamine and antacid, "that actually inhibits bio-replication to some degree." He further argued that "public health agencies are fueling conspiracy theories because of the lack of transparency" and that doctors in the front line of treating COVID patients should be helping set policy rather than administrators.

 

[tigermud]

Informed consent activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained vaccine manufacturers are avoiding liability for vaccine injuries by hiding behind the FDA?s Emergency Use Authorization approval.

Discussing the issue on the Mikhaila Peterson Podcast last week, RFK Jr. broke down Big Pharma?s sneaky scheme to skirt liability for adverse events by jabbing as many children as possible during the recommendation phase of the vaccines? Emergency Use Authorization.

They are never going to market a vaccine, allow people access to a vaccine, an approved vaccine without getting liability protection. Now the emergency use authorization vaccines have liability protection under the PREP Act and under the CARES Act,? Kennedy said.

?So as long as you take an emergency use vaccine, you can?t sue them. Once they get approved, now you can sue them, unless they can get it recommended for children. Because all vaccines that are recommended, officially recommended for children, get liability protection, even if an adult gets that vaccine. That?s why they are going after the kids. They know this is going to kill and injure a huge number of children, but they need to do it for the liability protection.?

https://youtu.be/lkKOt4SYYiY

 

[tigermud]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/terminated-health-care-workers-joe-biden-vaccine-mandates-national-guard

Insanity

IF SCOTUS strikes down the mandate tyranny odds are there will be wrongful termination suits up the wazoo

 

[tinselwolverine]

Informed consent activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained vaccine manufacturers are avoiding liability for vaccine injuries by hiding behind the FDA?s Emergency Use Authorization approval.

Discussing the issue on the Mikhaila Peterson Podcast last week, RFK Jr. broke down Big Pharma?s sneaky scheme to skirt liability for adverse events by jabbing as many children as possible during the recommendation phase of the vaccines? Emergency Use Authorization.

They are never going to market a vaccine, allow people access to a vaccine, an approved vaccine without getting liability protection. Now the emergency use authorization vaccines have liability protection under the PREP Act and under the CARES Act,? Kennedy said.

?So as long as you take an emergency use vaccine, you can?t sue them. Once they get approved, now you can sue them, unless they can get it recommended for children. Because all vaccines that are recommended, officially recommended for children, get liability protection, even if an adult gets that vaccine. That?s why they are going after the kids. They know this is going to kill and injure a huge number of children, but they need to do it for the liability protection.?

https://youtu.be/lkKOt4SYYiY

Regarding the liability, we?ve known this for over a year.

 

[tigermud]

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/end-covax.pdf

 

[zyxt9]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/terminated-health-care-workers-joe-biden-vaccine-mandates-national-guard

Insanity

IF SCOTUS strikes down the mandate tyranny odds are there will be wrongful termination suits up the wazoo

As there should be.

How fucking irresponsible to fire the very people who already pushed through the early waves when vaccines were not available.

Those people are heroes... but instead of showing gratitude, show them the door at a time when the entire nation has a shortage of medical personnel already.

These individuals are even more heroic now or not caving to the pressure of illegal mandates.

 

[zyxt9]

New cases, as expected, are setting records.

Worldwide 1.49 million
US 543,000
UK 318,000

The exponential curve is still going up in near vertical line. These numbers will likely increase by at least another 50%, though more than doubling well within possibility (however there might not be enough test kits to reach those levels).

 

[zyxt9]

For some reference, South Africa maxed at 37,000 on Dec 12. Since then the peak for 1 day deaths has been 105 and highest 7 day average has been 67. That is showing their current spike in new cases resulted in approximately 1/10 the number of deaths (0.2% as opposed to 2%).

If US experiences similar, then the daily deaths in a couple weeks will be roughly 1,100. That would be 600 fewer deaths than US experienced today, so hopefully we soon see the daily deaths decreasing even as the bew cases are increasing.

 

[Gulo Blue]

For some reference, South Africa maxed at 37,000 on Dec 12. Since then the peak for 1 day deaths has been 105 and highest 7 day average has been 67. That is showing their current spike in new cases resulted in approximately 1/10 the number of deaths (0.2% as opposed to 2%).

If US experiences similar, then the daily deaths in a couple weeks will be roughly 1,100. That would be 600 fewer deaths than US experienced today, so hopefully we soon see the daily deaths decreasing even as the bew cases are increasing.

That's what I was optimistic about last week. Too soon to say, but look at the numbers in NYC so far, and I'm still optimistic.

Not to say that's the entire ballgame. If the reason people die less is omicron not impacting lungs the way previous strains did, and there's no change in clotting or brain fog 'long covid' symptoms, then there's still reason to be cautious. It would still be life ruining to get one of those symptoms and stats aren't easy to find. UK seems to suggest ~10% that get it have something lasting more than 6 months - but how much of that is reduced lung capacity from previous variants? I don't know.

 

[zyxt9]

That's what I was optimistic about last week. Too soon to say, but look at the numbers in NYC so far, and I'm still optimistic.

Not to say that's the entire ballgame. If the reason people die less is omicron not impacting lungs the way previous strains did, and there's no change in clotting or brain fog 'long covid' symptoms, then there's still reason to be cautious. It would still be life ruining to get one of those symptoms and stats aren't easy to find. UK seems to suggest ~10% that get it have something lasting more than 6 months - but how much of that is reduced lung capacity from previous variants? I don't know.

And obviously even 0.2% is pretty shitty, but the numbers harbor cautious optimism. That Pfizer pill will potentially bring the rate even lower, so maybe it drops down below 0.1% with that plus other treatments. I did read that the Pfizer pill can cause side effects for certain groups (people already on blood thinners was one IIRC), so there will be subsets unable to take it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211228/coronavirus-can-spread-heart-brain

?For a long time now, we have been scratching our heads and asking why long COVID seems to affect so many organ systems,? he said. ?This paper sheds some light and may help explain why long COVID can occur even in people who had mild or asymptomatic acute disease.?

The NIH researchers sampled and analyzed tissues from autopsies on 44 patients who died after contracting the coronavirus during the first year of the pandemic. They found persistent virus particles in multiple parts of the body, including the heart and brain, for as long as 230 days after symptoms began. This could represent infection with defective virus particles, they said, which has also been seen in persistent infections among measles patients.

?We don?t yet know what burden of chronic illness will result in years to come,? Raina MacIntyre, PhD, a professor of global biosecurity at the University of New South Wales, told Bloomberg News.

?Will we see young-onset cardiac failure in survivors or early-onset dementia?? she said. ?These are unanswered questions which call for a precautionary public health approach to mitigation of the spread of this virus.?

 

[tigermud]

As there should be.

How fucking irresponsible to fire the very people who already pushed through the early waves when vaccines were not available.

Those people are heroes... but instead of showing gratitude, show them the door at a time when the entire nation has a shortage of medical personnel already.

These individuals are even more heroic now or not caving to the pressure of illegal mandates.

Completely agree. It?s a travesty what leftist tyranny is doing to this country

 

[Gulo Blue]

As there should be.

How fucking irresponsible to fire the very people who already pushed through the early waves when vaccines were not available.

Those people are heroes... but instead of showing gratitude, show them the door at a time when the entire nation has a shortage of medical personnel already.

These individuals are even more heroic now or not caving to the pressure of illegal mandates.

It's the opposite of irresponsible. It's the practical thing rather than the thing that feels good. Being unfair to these people feels bad. Shooting Ol' Yeller after he saved the kid feels bad. But viruses don't care about fairness. How many people are we supposed to expose needlessly?

Show the heroes all the gratitude you want, but don't force me or my older family members to be treated by them if they're going to be a risk to our safety. That's not fair either.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Of course, if you can't believe that vaccines reduce transmission that won't make any sense to you, but there's not much I can't do about the misinformation. (Not to claim that's proven, esp. with omicron, but to date, there's more evidence of reduction than not for other variants.)

 

[tigermud]

It's the opposite of irresponsible. It's the practical thing rather than the thing that feels good. Being unfair to these people feels bad. Shooting Ol' Yeller after he saved the kid feels bad. But viruses don't care about fairness. How many people are we supposed to expose needlessly?

Show the heroes all the gratitude you want, but don't force me or my older family members to be treated by them if they're going to be a risk to our safety. That's not fair either.

How many of those outcasts would likely already have natural immunity? Life isn?t fair, it never has been, while it?s not fair for you to be treated by someone that?s not vaccinated it?s equally not fair for you to demand others inject something into their body they are not comfortable with at all and put the themselves at risk so you can feel safer. So we have a conundrum. SCOTUS will help decide in Jan if this is still America or not.

 

[tigermud]

Of course, if you can't believe that vaccines reduce transmission that won't make any sense to you, but there's not much I can't do about the misinformation. (Not to claim that's proven, esp. with omicron, but to date, there's more evidence of reduction than not for other variants.)

One mans misinformation is another man truth, who decides what?s true and what?s not. Science, fraudchi and BigPhamra?

I agree with Aaron Rodgers
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/20...cience-that-cant-be-questioned-is-propaganda/

 

[Gulo Blue]

One mans misinformation is another man truth, who decides what?s true and what?s not. Science, fraudchi and BigPhamra?

I agree with Aaron Rodgers
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/20...cience-that-cant-be-questioned-is-propaganda/

Remember how I used to compare how people decide what true regarding religion and science and history in large part sitting in a room of people while someone tells you what they think about stuff they read in a book written by dead people?

That was way better than twitter, youtube, and cable news.

 

[Gulo Blue]

How many of those outcasts would likely already have natural immunity? Life isn?t fair, it never has been, while it?s not fair for you to be treated by someone that?s not vaccinated it?s equally not fair for you to demand others inject something into their body they are not comfortable with at all and put the themselves at risk so you can feel safer. So we have a conundrum. SCOTUS will help decide in Jan if this is still America or not.

Not 'feel' safer. Be safer. That's our best understanding - that it is safer. We don't know how much safer, and maybe it will turn out to be an unnecessary move, but everything we know from vaccines in the past suggest it's the safer move.

 

[Michchamp]

I was a bit surprised the CDC dropped the isolation period to 5 days. Apparently that was at the behest of the airlines, and completely bereft of any scientific basis.

Link: "Flight attendants fume as CDC gives airlines what they want on quarantine change"

Link: "The very bad day at the CDC" - Eric Topol

"There were serious problems about the new 5-day isolation period.

First, there are no data or evidence to back it up. Yes, we?re facing an Omicron onslaught of cases and it would be useful to come up with a strategy to avoid a mass loss of functionality among our workforce and the on-the-go public, no less in the midst of the holiday season. But that doesn?t justify issuing a vacuous guideline.

Second, there was no mention of using a test, to confirm that the isolated individual is now OK to circulate, that there is no indication of infectiousness. That could be done via a rapid antigen test, which denotes infectiousness, carries some reduced sensitivity with Omicron, or via a PCR. The cycle threshold value of a PCR test is also indicative of infectiousness; the lower it is, the more likely potential for spread. Either of these tests would be far better than no test to justify a reduced isolation time in any individual.

Third, there are no data for Omicron?s clearance time. We know the characteristics of shedding and average time it takes for clearance of the virus for Delta and preceding variants, but to date we have not seen any such data for Omicron kinetics. With the Hong Kong report of 70-fold copies of the virus in the upper airway for Omicron versus Delta and prior variants, there is no certainty yet that Omicron?s clearance is fast.
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I suppose none of this should surprise me... the US and state governments now exist solely to shovel money to corporations, and so it is completely unable to function in any other capacity.

This is the end result of Reagan's stupid "9 scariest words: I'm from the government and I'm here to help" quote. We now have a government that not only does not help, but cannot act in any capacity, other than funneling money to special/corporate interests.

If we needed the government to act - in any capacity other than that - i.e. block all flights from Country X, or quarantine this group of people, it cannot do that.

 

[tomdalton22]

or, maybe they figure that this Omicron variant isn't very dangerous