Coronainsanity

[zyxt9]

Of course, if you can't believe that vaccines reduce transmission that won't make any sense to you, but there's not much I can't do about the misinformation. (Not to claim that's proven, esp. with omicron, but to date, there's more evidence of reduction than not for other variants.)

Reduction does not equal zero. The false narrative behind mandates is that the transmission by vaxxed equals zero.

I have never denied the reduction. The issue is that it is not zero. Once again, I am not anti-vax, I am anti-mandate.

The mandate is anti-science and anti-freedom.

Scientists are supposed to view panacea with a skeptic's eye. The mandate applies a level of fallacy that is not quite snake oil or perpetual machine, but it is an attempt to deceive through twisting of science to fit an objective. It is a technique used by authoritarian leaders throughout history to control populations.

 

[zyxt9]

Not 'feel' safer. Be safer. That's our best understanding - that it is safer. We don't know how much safer, and maybe it will turn out to be an unnecessary move, but everything we know from vaccines in the past suggest it's the safer move.

This speaks to your fear that has been induced by political objectives. It has squashed your ability to reason. 98+% survivability.

 

[zyxt9]

So you're saying they're just like:

"At this point... fuck it. who knows? It's probably not dangerous, and even if that still means a bunch of people die, a lot of people have already died, so what are a couple thousand or tens of thousands or even hundred thousand more? We still got over 300 million Americans."
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That is actually pure Darwinian science. Maybe you should, ya know, follow it. Those who survive are the more fit and the species overall is better for it as future contagious diseases eventually develop, whether in nature or a lab.

It sucks, no denying that... but it is natural.​

 

[zyxt9]

The "New Cases Per Day" chart in America just hit an all-time high... bigger than the late-2020-early 2021 wave (link). Good thing we already decided Omicron was no big deal, and we all know that for sure, and it's definitely going to serve as a "natural inoculation" that will not make anyone too sick, and render them immune to future COVID infections.

If I wasn't on my phone, I'd make that "guy not sure what button to press" meme.

one option would be "Blame Biden for fucking this up" and the other would be "continue to dismiss COVID-19 as no big deal"

Um, did you not read my prior posts about this???

Sheesh.

Be prepared for 700,000+ new daily cases at some point. Unfortunately for you, the daily deaths will likely still drop despite the exponential increase due to Omicron showing a Mortality Rate that is 1/10th prior variants.

Try to keep up with the rest of the class.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/de...ths-hospitalizations-low-walensky-2021-12-29/

 

[Michchamp]

That is actually pure Darwinian science. Maybe you should, ya know, follow it. Those who survive are the more fit and the species overall is better for it as future contagious diseases eventually develop, whether in nature or a lab.

It sucks, no denying that... but it is natural.

this is pure sociopathy. psychopathic maybe, even.

And I'm sure if you found out you had a pre-existing condition that made you more likely to die from COVID, you'd be okay with risking your life to maintain the status quo because humanity would be fitter overall without you, right? I doubt it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This speaks to your fear that has been induced by political objectives. It has squashed your ability to reason. 98+% survivability.

You're arguing into the wind. I don't know what two hospitals you're talking about or what mandate position or what fear you're talking about. The fear bit isn't your fault, a lot of people project that. Taking precautions reduces or eliminates fear if there is any.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That is actually pure Darwinian science. Maybe you should, ya know, follow it. Those who survive are the more fit and the species overall is better for it as future contagious diseases eventually develop, whether in nature or a lab.

It sucks, no denying that... but it is natural.

what?

dude

why do we even have medicine? or any modern technology that makes life more survivable?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Unfortunately for you, the daily deaths will likely still drop

You need to take a minute and consider that nobody is thinking the way you think they are thinking. Some idea got in your head that is dehumanizing the people you're talking to.

 

[tigermud]

Joe Rogan: ?I?m Not Vaccinated, I?m Not Going To Get Vaccinated, I have Antibodies, It Doesn?t Make Any Sense.?

Podcast king Joe Rogan doubled down on his assertion that he will not get vaccinated this week, stating that it makes ?no sense? for him because he has natural immunity from COVID.

While announcing that he will likely have to cancel dates for comedy shows in Canada in the Spring due to vaccine mandates, Rogan said he doesn?t ?think I can even get into the country. I?m not vaccinated, I?m not going to get vaccinated, I have antibodies, it doesn?t make any sense.?

Rogan also bemoaned the continuing restrictions on events.

?I don?t think I can go,? he continued, adding ?Even if I do go, I don?t trust that Vancouver is not going to follow suit with what Toronto did and cut capacity.?

 

[Gulo Blue]

The false narrative behind mandates is that the transmission by vaxxed equals zero.

Why do you keep saying this? It's not true. Never has been.

 

[zyxt9]

this is pure sociopathy. psychopathic maybe, even.

And I'm sure if you found out you had a pre-existing condition that made you more likely to die from COVID, you'd be okay with risking your life to maintain the status quo because humanity would be fitter overall without you, right? I doubt it.

LOL, ok.

Sucks when you cannot hold an actual conversation about science. That explains why you do not follow it enough to grasp what Covid actually is and instead completely caved in to the Fear.

I'm not risking my life, I'm living it. I also have faith, that is the biggest difference between us. I have faith in the scientific knowledge that the mortality rate is 2%. I have faith the Omicron is dropping that to under 1%...headed for under 0.1%. You fear it to the point one would be lead to believe the opposite is true, that the rate is growing and about to be over 99.9%.

Why do you fear death? Well, that's the other part of faith you lack. And that is the real underlying reason you are so afraid of death.

As for me, if Nature deems me less fit, then so be it. I'm at peace with that. It is an inevitability that I comprehend. Should I get cancer I might see what new scientific ways there are to fight it, but I will not do chemo. I've seen too many who tried to fight it with chemo... yeah, I'd rather go peacefully into that good night. Similarly, I do not wish to have an ECMO keeping me alive. At some point one needs to just accept death.

You are not there yet, and that is unfortunate for you, but that does not mean all the other people on Earth have to suffer from your fears and delusions of grander. You are insignificant compared to nature. Everyone loses that battle. Come to terms with that and life becomes simpler, easier, and less stressful. We'll, as long as jackass control freaks like yourself are not constantly attempting to puppeteer your life.

So, if you would please take note, I do not want your hand up my ass controlling me. Take that sociopathic mind of yours and pull it out of your anus, that way you can remove the shit from your feedback loop. I imagine that, just like Covid and Darwinism, is too scientific for you to grasp... but seriously, your hand will never be welcome inside my ass. Nor is Biden's, Fraudcheese, or anyone else's. That's the thing about being in a free country, people like you can be told that you will never control me.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Tell me about fitness and survival when you don't rely on the cheap and always available supply of calories modern technology provides.

 

[zyxt9]

Why do you keep saying this? It's not true. Never has been.

Then stop pushing for mandates and supporting those who are pushing it!!!

 

[tigermud]

Idk, any experts can chime in

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

 

[zyxt9]

Tell me about fitness and survival when you don't rely on the cheap and always available supply of calories modern technology provides.

I'm sorry, what strawman are you pushing this time?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm sorry, what strawman are you pushing this time?

Survival of the fittest, when talking about evolution, which is the topic from where that phrase originates, is about a lot more than surviving viruses. Why would you single out surviving a specific virus as a facet of life where we want natural selection to play a role in which humans live or die, but not any other facets of fitness? It's BS.

And it contradicts your position on the virus not being that big a risk. Which is it? A tiny percentage we shouldn't worry about or a factor that weeds the weak from the fit?

 

[zyxt9]

You need to take a minute and consider that nobody is thinking the way you think they are thinking. Some idea got in your head that is dehumanizing the people you're talking to.

No, the dehumanizing is done by those who attempt to force others into doing something that could cause them to have severe complications, and when they refuse, they are dehumanized through discrimination, including being terminated from jobs. My support is for those who deserve respect as Medically Exempt, something you are still unwilling to be open-minded enough to allow them equal freedoms. If that means I suffer the same discrimination that they face, then so be it. I am not going to turn my back on them. They deserve to be respected, treated with dignity.

I have been around too many Give Kids the World and Make A Wish kids to not support them. In cases where someone is able to be vaxxed and choose to do it, I'm not stopping them in any way. The opposite is not true, there is no equal rights for those who should be Medically Exempt. I will always stand up for them, and I will place myself in as similar a situation as possible so that I understand their situation as much as possible, such that if they are being denied a freedom then no one should have that freedom.

It really is not that difficult to create a way to exempt them. You support the fear that doctors will be giving out the exemptions like candy. I believe it is more important to preserve freedom and equality than to cave to fears about someone abusing that system.

I'm sure the pro-mandate group would still eye the exempt groups with a suspicious mind, but they deserve equal rights. I'm sure they will still be forced to jump through hoops like frequent testing, but the reality is if vaxxed are ae to spread it, even if to a lesser extent, then the non-vaxxed should not be treated as they are currently.

That's about science. That is about freedom.

You have every right to voice concerns. What you do not have the right to do is restrict freedom when their is a minimal addition to the threat posed by anyone unvaxxed.

Asymptomatic are now being considered a non-concern by the medial experts. They are finally backing off many of their fear mongering ways, even have reduced quarantine recommendations. That is the start of their backing down, expect it to continue until they finally admit the reality staring them in the face. Hoping will it take for the pro-mandate people to admit that the mandates were wrong from the beginning. When will they be apologizing? When will they be held accountable?

Too many have not changed their fear mongering position since March 2020. Despite all the science that points to that no longer being required, they are still pushing that narrative that was started by the initial 10% Mortality Rate. Despite its continual drop to levels that do not warrant restrictions, especially with Omicron. The Fear is still too strong.

 

[zyxt9]

Survival of the fittest, when talking about evolution, which is the topic from where that phrase originates, is about a lot more than surviving viruses. Why would you single out surviving a specific virus as a facet of life where we want natural selection to play a role in which humans live or die, but not any other facets of fitness? It's BS.

And it contradicts your position on the virus not being that big a risk. Which is it? A tiny percentage we shouldn't worry about or a factor that weeds the weak from the fit?

It isn't contradictory at all. Darwinism is the governing science in who lives and who dies from Covid. Either an individual has an immune system that allows them to survive it or they do not. That is Natural Selection.

The position that it is not a big risk is not Darwinistic. Darwinism applied during the Black Death when it was a far higher percentage of death. There were still people who got it and survived. That was Darwinism.

The not big risk comes from the Science of Probabilities, where something with less than 1% Mortality and dropping should be considered low risk.

As for your Long Covid, that agai. Reverts to Darwinism as the overarching Science.

There is nothing in my stance that is contradictory.

 

[Gulo Blue]

No, the dehumanizing is done by those who attempt to force others into doing something that could cause them to have severe complications, and when they refuse, they are dehumanized through discrimination, including being terminated from jobs. My support is for those who deserve respect as Medically Exempt, something you are still unwilling to be open-minded enough to allow them equal freedoms. If that means I suffer the same discrimination that they face, then so be it. I am not going to turn my back on them. They deserve to be respected, treated with dignity.

I have been around too many Give Kids the World and Make A Wish kids to not support them. In cases where someone is able to be vaxxed and choose to do it, I'm not stopping them in any way. The opposite is not true, there is no equal rights for those who should be Medically Exempt. I will always stand up for them, and I will place myself in as similar a situation as possible so that I understand their situation as much as possible, such that if they are being denied a freedom then no one should have that freedom.

It really is not that difficult to create a way to exempt them. You support the fear that doctors will be giving out the exemptions like candy. I believe it is more important to preserve freedom and equality than to cave to fears about someone abusing that system.

I'm sure the pro-mandate group would still eye the exempt groups with a suspicious mind, but they deserve equal rights. I'm sure they will still be forced to jump through hoops like frequent testing, but the reality is if vaxxed are ae to spread it, even if to a lesser extent, then the non-vaxxed should not be treated as they are currently.

That's about science. That is about freedom.

You have every right to voice concerns. What you do not have the right to do is restrict freedom when their is a minimal addition to the threat posed by anyone unvaxxed.

Asymptomatic are now being considered a non-concern by the medial experts. They are finally backing off many of their fear mongering ways, even have reduced quarantine recommendations. That is the start of their backing down, expect it to continue until they finally admit the reality staring them in the face. Hoping will it take for the pro-mandate people to admit that the mandates were wrong from the beginning. When will they be apologizing? When will they be held accountable?

Too many have not changed their fear mongering position since March 2020. Despite all the science that points to that no longer being required, they are still pushing that narrative that was started by the initial 10% Mortality Rate. Despite its continual drop to levels that do not warrant restrictions, especially with Omicron. The Fear is still too strong.

What does any of this have to do with your idea that a lower death rate would be unfortunate for MC?

 

[Gulo Blue]

It isn't contradictory at all. Darwinism is the governing science in who lives and who dies from Covid. Either an individual has an immune system that allows them to survive it or they do not. That is Natural Selection.

The position that it is not a big risk is not Darwinistic. Darwinism applied during the Black Death when it was a far higher percentage of death. There were still people who got it and survived. That was Darwinism.

The not big risk comes from the Science of Probabilities, where something with less than 1% Mortality and dropping should be considered low risk.

As for your Long Covid, that agai. Reverts to Darwinism as the overarching Science.

There is nothing in my stance that is contradictory.

But what is specific about this vaccine as a technology that we shouldn't use to subvert Darwinism (in your view) while we should use all sorts of other technologies that prevent death (subverting Darwinism)?