Coronainsanity

[zyxt9]

Prior infection didnt help the 900k dead Americans.

Prior infection isnt helping the millions that have some sort of medical issue after they contracted covid.

you morons think the CDC would come out and recommend prior infection as a viable solution? what special kind of idiots are you?

Not getting the virus is a perfectly viable solution. It took a tiny bit of effort..but its worked for me so far. i find focusing on solutions to be more beneficial to mankind than bitching about them.

There are plenty of vaccinated individuals among the 859,839 (according to Johns Hopkins as of 1/20/2022 @ 1800 EST.

The medical issue after Covid? We know not what the medical issues are for those who experienced Covid nor do we know the medical issues for those who got the vaccine. The vaccine is, in essence, like Covid...just tweaked. It is impossible to determine YET whether one is going to prove to have better/worse long term effects.

CDC recommends people who have been recently infected to not take Covid tests nor get vaxxed prior to 2 months, unlike the proposals floated that the boosters will need to be taken approximately every 2 to 3 months. In essence, whether becoming reinfected with Covid itself or reinfecting yourself with the vaccine (because scientifically speaking that is what you are doing when you get vaccinated, you are infecting your body with something).

 

[zyxt9]

Sorry to bring in my non-Facebook research into this, but based on the Johns Hopkins numbers, Omicron is dramatically dropping the mortality rates.

US is currently just below 1.24%. Worldwide is now down to 1.64%. These are dramatic drops from pre-Omicron, and will continue to drop dramatically. Just another example of Omicron being more mild than prior variants... but you know me, I am just applying my non-Facebook science and analysis.

 

[mhughes0021]

There are plenty of vaccinated individuals among the 859,839 (according to Johns Hopkins as of 1/20/2022 @ 1800 EST.

The medical issue after Covid? We know not what the medical issues are for those who experienced Covid nor do we know the medical issues for those who got the vaccine. The vaccine is, in essence, like Covid...just tweaked. It is impossible to determine YET whether one is going to prove to have better/worse long term effects.

CDC recommends people who have been recently infected to not take Covid tests nor get vaxxed prior to 2 months, unlike the proposals floated that the boosters will need to be taken approximately every 2 to 3 months. In essence, whether becoming reinfected with Covid itself or reinfecting yourself with the vaccine (because scientifically speaking that is what you are doing when you get vaccinated, you are infecting your body with something).

alot of not proposing any solutions....

I take it youre on the let the weak die train.

 

[mhughes0021]

Sorry to bring in my non-Facebook research into this, but based on the Johns Hopkins numbers, Omicron is dramatically dropping the mortality rates.

US is currently just below 1.24%. Worldwide is now down to 1.64%. These are dramatic drops from pre-Omicron, and will continue to drop dramatically. Just another example of Omicron being more mild than prior variants... but you know me, I am just applying my non-Facebook science and analysis.

1.24% is not a dramatic drop lmao. And it comes with a lot more cases. You missed the 3rd grade math part of this thread and skipped to the John Hopkins school of generalizations.

If youd like me to add some generalizations ill give it a shot:

Number of US deaths per day are almost as high now as they were during the delta spike. Delta spike and Omicron spike death tolls are both lower than whatever the Jan/Feb 2021 strain was called. Whats changed since then?...more people wearing masks?....nah no way. More people taking Ivermectin? meh...maybe a little bit but probably not enough to sway such a big number. More people vaccinated?!!! ding ding ding....

 

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[zyxt9]

alot of not proposing any solutions....

I take it youre on the let the weak die train.

It is called Darwinism. It is part of Science. Maybe you should try following Science more so you can understand it better. Please ask your Liberal friends and relatives to join you, as it apparently will require every Liberal to partake in this educational endeavor for the group and its members to comprehend the topic.

 

[zyxt9]

1.24% is not a dramatic drop lmao. And it comes with a lot more cases. You missed the 3rd grade math part of this thread and skipped to the John Hopkins school of generalizations.

If youd like me to add some generalizations ill give it a shot:

Number of US deaths per day are almost as high now as they were during the delta spike. Delta spike and Omicron spike death tolls are both lower than whatever the Jan/Feb 2021 strain was called. Whats changed since then?...more people wearing masks?....nah no way. More people taking Ivermectin? meh...maybe a little bit but probably not enough to sway such a big number. More people vaccinated?!!! ding ding ding....

If you paid attention, that is in line with my predictions before the spike happened, so I'm well aware that the number of deaths would be at that level.

I have never argued that the vax will save lives, at least in the short term. Hopefully they also maintain equal or greater longevity of life.

If my life is shorter due to not getting the vax, that is my choice and I am fine with that choice.

 

[zyxt9]

Furthermore, a drop of 0.5+% actually IS a significant drop. It is, currently. When you consider a drop from 1.75% to 1.25% is a 28% drop from pre-Omicron spike to mid-spike (roughly).

If you don't want to take my data analysis, maybe Gulo will support my claim that a 28% decrease is pretty substantial in this situation, especially since that happened in roughly 1 month.

 

[zyxt9]

Based on trends, I can see the US reaching 700,000 new cases per day in short order.

However, even with that high number, I do not think we will experience the hospitalization challenges nor deaths that we saw early on, and likely not even what Delta caused. From all accounts hospitalizations are a small fraction of total cases, and the percent hospitalized who need oxygen is lower as is the amount of oxygen used. The mortality rate is still very much unknown, and as always questionable due to underlying issues, but it seems that there will be fewer daily deaths than Delta caused despite having many more total cases. We will likely see US total cases reach 60 million before the total deaths reach 900,000. If those numbers are reached at the same time, the all time Covid mortality rate would be 1.5% and Omicron would have a mortality rate of 1.06%. Current indicators are Omicron will actually be below 1.0% though.

For instance, in the UK they reported on Dec 1st a 7 day average of 43,000 and they hit a 7 day average of 50,000 on Dec. 12. Their reported 7 day average daily deaths for Dec. 21st is 112 (which is down from 122 on Dec. 1st). Again, there is a percentage of non-Omicron variants likely skewing the daily deaths higher...but even if we take the 112 and divide that by 43,000 that yields a current Covid mortality rate of 0.26%, so roughly a quarter of one percent...and that appears to be dropping as Omicron increases in dominance.

So a month later, returning to this predictive analysis. We saw the US hit and surpass the 700,000 New Daily Cases. We also not only reached 60 million total cases prior to 900k total deaths, we are likely to reach 70 million cases prior to 900k deaths, and brought the total US mortality down to 1.24% instead of 1.5%.

Yet Hughes continues to state Omicron is not more mild than Delta due to the Daily Deaths being the same as Delta.

 

[zyxt9]

For some additional context:

Dec. 21 - Cumulative Cases: 51,312,742
Cumulative Deaths: 811,856

Jan. 21 - Cumulative Cases: 69,270,651
Cumulative Deaths: 860,146

The Omicron drove the vast majority of these numbers. In fact, the data likely includes Deaths due to Delta that are still skewing the Deaths higher than if all had been due to Omicron.

Change in Total Cases: 17,957,909
Change in Total Deaths: 48,290

These numbers represent a mortality rate of 0.2689%

Now, there is obviously going to be a delay in Omicron Deaths, but these numbers are including the delay in Delta Deaths. As such, this mortality rate will potentially be lower when we look at the timeframe of Jan 21 - Feb 21.

So, the data clearly indicates Omicron is far less deadly than Delta, which was predicted from the initial data out of South Africa and UK.

 

[zyxt9]

At the current rates, US will likely reach 80 million cases before 900,000 deaths, but if they hit simultaneously, that would mean the total mortality rate will have dropped to 1.125%.

 

[mhughes0021]

Its not more mild because actual doctors say it's not more mild. People are dying less for several reasons. Mainly because omicron doesn't infect the lower lungs nearly as much as previous stains. And because vaccinations are higher. If you're trying to prove doing nothing works youre failing miserably.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I wonder how many people didn't need to die if everyone had been on the same page as the information was learned. I don't think 1/3 to 2/3rds is an unreasonable guess.

 

[zyxt9]

I wonder how many people didn't need to die if everyone had been on the same page as the information was learned. I don't think 1/3 to 2/3rds is an unreasonable guess.

It is impossible to know. There are unvaxxed people who have died who likely would have lived if they were vaxxed; however, the facts are that many of the total deaths are from people who were vaxxed (though Omicron has seen an increase in percentage of unvaxxed who died).

 

[Gulo Blue]

It is impossible to know. There are unvaxxed people who have died who likely would have lived if they were vaxxed; however, the facts are that many of the total deaths are from people who were vaxxed (though Omicron has seen an increase in percentage of unvaxxed who died).

And technically true statements can be misleading. People have died because they wore seatbelts. Make this argument while complaining about people being overzealous about using seatbelts if you want, but don't expect me to buy into the idea that they do more harm than good.

 

[Gulo Blue]

...and just because we've been here before, let's skip the next bit where you say you just have a problem with mandates and I say nobody was talking about mandates.

 

[zyxt9]

Its not more mild because actual doctors say it's not more mild. People are dying less for several reasons. Mainly because omicron doesn't infect the lower lungs nearly as much as previous stains. And because vaccinations are higher. If you're trying to prove doing nothing works youre failing miserably.

Provide the sources you are using. I don't believe for a second that even the Liberal doctors are stating Omicron is not more mild. Maybe they did when Omicron started, but any who said this in the last week are frauds. OH... was it Fraudchi??? That would make sense, but I thought even he finally admitted he was wrong (surprise).

 

[zyxt9]

Its not more mild because actual doctors say it's not more mild. People are dying less for several reasons. Mainly because omicron doesn't infect the lower lungs nearly as much as previous stains. And because vaccinations are higher. If you're trying to prove doing nothing works youre failing miserably.

And you completely contradicted yourself when you stated the fact Omicron doesn't infect the lower lungs. Between that fact and the numbers I posted regarding it having a mortality rate estimation below 0.3% as opposed to rates above 1% for Delta. There has not been a drastic enough increase in vax numbers since Omicron, or even Delta, started for vax to be the sole explanation that Omicron is more mild.

 

[Gulo Blue]

In the middle of a wave like this, while researchers are figuring out how infectious and how lethal and what side effects a variant is/has, I think 'are we trying hard enough to prevent spread?' is answered in part by 'are hospitals overrun?'

I don't understand why you'd focus so heavily on the lower lethality rate when the daily deaths are still high, hospitals are swamped, and employees are sick to the point of disrupting services.